Lucy Letby Case #41

[Futtrit]

10:59am

He says Letby has been in prison, and in the dock, surrounded by 'commendable' prison dock officers, "standard measures".

He says to 'look how this looks' for her in comparison to the witnesses who have come in.
He says this is presented as an "inherent disadvantage".

He says the jury must "get past the emotions" and "look at the evidence".

He says there are two possibilities of what happened between June 2015-June 2016.

He says one of the possibilities is the result of a medical condition, and a condition of the unit - the clinical fragility of the unit, and failings in care at the unit.

He says is the other is a nurse who "decided to kill children" or "tried to kill them" for reasons "which make no sense" and "out of the blue".

He says there was a "marked increase" in the number of babies taken on in the unit during that year.

He says it was "too many" babies being admitted to the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit with "too many" high requirements.

He says the babies were vulnerable as they were in the neonatal unit.

He says what some people have said during the trial in evidence, that the babies were "doing brilliantly" there, "boggles the mind".

He says it is "no good brushing aside" the issue of sub-optimal care for the babies.

 

[yellowmellow]

I can feel my blood pressure rising.

He is just doing his job, he is just doing his job, he is just doing his job, he is just doing his job... Breatheeeeeeeee!

 

[F1Grid]

He says "you saw the real person" in her evidence and cross-examination

The one who lied about easily disproved tit like being hauled out of bed by police and taken to the station in her nightie?

I’m sure that’ll help her Ben…

 

[LittleMy]

If anyone is finding this really hard to follow/frustrating, I’d suggest taking a break because it’s not going to get any better over the next 5 days

 

[yellowmellow]

He says Letby has been in prison, and in the dock, surrounded by 'commendable' prison dock officers, "standard measures". He says to 'look how this looks' for her in comparison to the witnesses who have come in. He says this is presented as an "inherent disadvantage".

Is he trying to say witnesses should have been flanked by police officers to make it fair for her? They aren't the ones on trial for murder!

 

[Faith61]

Yeah, murdering psychopath aside…she is incompetent and unprofessional. Sorry, not buying it Ben.

Exactly, I've just said the same...

 

[jedwad87]

He says the jury must "get past the emotions" and "look at the evidence".

 

[Secretbrillopad]

Sorry fellas, I know we've started with BM now, but I've just gotta point out - the full large coke you refer to, is, in fact, full sugar coke. There's no large in it (this is the hill I've chosen to die on )

I will also die on this hill! I wrote full sugar and full large winds me right up

I'm not sure I can take five days of this. The parents having to sit and listen... The thought is making my blood pressure spike. He says there's no evidence... Come on, Ben.

 

[slidders]

If anyone is finding this really hard to follow/frustrating, I’d suggest taking a break because it’s not going to get any better over the next 5 days

Yeah I may tap out for a bit. Gaslighting the jury, he and Lucy are perfect for one another. I find it all a bit unsettling.

Hopefully the podcast is out today and I can reset my thoughts with that.

 

[amsmall]

I wonder what that little smack rat's face is looking like today as someone's sticking up for her

 

[MmmB777]

Find the first bit I can get on board with here

 

[pissedandsad]

Not sure this bs interests me. I’ve not heard one sentence that has made me think twice.

 

[F1Grid]

He sounds like a Facebook fan sniffer.

“There’s no evidence reeeeee!” OK so there’s no synthetic in the blood of two babies after LL’s signed for the bags of fluid running through? There’s no severe liver injury on LL’s watch? There’s no air found in pathology specimens?

I don’t think I’ll be following the rest of today. If I wanted to see this rit I’d go on the fraudulent scientists reddit sub.

 

[Deeznutslol]

‘No evidence’? Come on man. I hope the jury see this as the blatant attempt to manipulate them and the insult to their intelligence that it is.
Yeah I’m sitting this out (realistically I’ll probs be back here raging in an hour or two).

 

[Futtrit]

11:04am

Mr Myers says "the stand-out point" is "not once is there any evidence" of the acts of harm being done.

He says this is "the first time" the defence case has been set out.

He says the "suspect account" of Dr Ravi Jayaram "doesn't come close" to an account of an attack in progress, nor does the mother of Child E's account.

He says there are 22 counts, and 30 events, over 12 months, and "nothing" in evidence of Letby carrying out an attack.

He says that was despite Dr Jayaram saying it was "all eyes on Letby" after Child D.

Mr Myers adds the jury can use "circumstantial evidence" to highlight sub-optimal care.

 

[MmmB777]

Ahahhahahahhahahahahahha

 

[Lynn’ssnazzycardigan]

“Mr Myers adds the jury can use "circumstantial evidence" to highlight sub-optimal care.”
But the circumstantial evidence highlighting she did it doesn’t count….?

 

[Futtrit]

11:14am

He says: "We are the only people who will stand up for Lucy Letby - no-one else."

He says the defence case being at the end of the trial is "not an afterthought", and is "so important".

He says the prosecution "are not in any special position" with this - they have brought the evidence, "but it does not mean they are right with this".

He says there is a suggestion there has been a "hostile reaction" that Letby has "dared to defend herself" and disagree with the prosecution.

He says the prosecution "have gone out of their way" to present some aspects as "smoke and mirrors" and evidence by Letby in cross-examination and her evidence was "gaslighting".

He says it is "unjustified" and "unfair".

Mr Myers says the jury can judge the staffing competencies.

He says the prosecution "don't want you to think" about doctors Ravi Jayaram and David Harkness's inconsistent accounts on skin discolouration, that it was a "stunning omission" for them not to put the skin discolouration in notes or in their reports for inquests.

He says that point was only uncovered in cross-examination.

He disagrees with the suggestion the defence were "gaslighting" the jury.

He says it was "not smoke and mirrors" or "gaslighting".

Mr Myers says the unit did face "unusual and increased demand" over the 12 months.

He says the trial is not about the NHS, or doctors/nurses in general.

He says the defence are entitled to be critical of the neonatal unit.

He says there is a suggestion there is an "outrage" the defence have "dared" been critical of it.

 

[mysteriousgirl69]

He says one of the possibilities is the result of a medical condition, and a condition of the unit - the clinical fragility of the unit, and failings in care at the unit.

He says is the other is a nurse who "decided to kill children" or "tried to kill them" for reasons "which make no sense" and "out of the blue".

Well this is the issue with the most depraved killers isn't it, they often do kill out of the blue for reasons which make no sense to the normal person lol

Failing units don't tamper with feed bags by adding insulin, but killer nurses do :^)

 

[Mardymermaid]

I haven't seen any outrage that the unit as a whole was criticised. More that the criticisms were not enough to explain the deaths.