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I know there was some distaste over this wording earlier in the thread, but I am looking forward to hearing Ben's closing statement. He really hasn't got much to work with and I doubt anyone will be swayed after hearing the pros (I hope), but he is a professional and I am interested to see what he does. He is just a man doing his job and although I think he was unnecessarily harsh in some of the cross, he has to do his job properly at the end of the day. Reckon he has had a shot of whiskey and 20 fags this morning to spur him on.
PS does he actually smoke or have we all made up the chain-smoking thing?
Yeah, I made the comment about someone else saying they were "really looking forward to it".
The 'really' was the odd bit.
I know he's a job to do but I can't look forward to something if it's going to cause the parents and innocent medics pain and/or anger.
However, I understand the interest in seeing what BM comes up with.
He says he has been sitting next to the jury for nearly nine months, and can hazard a guess at what they may be thinking - 'five days' [for the expected length of his speech].
He says he is grateful for their presence and the material they have had to listen to, and its 'distressing' content.
Trying to butter them up.
He says he is grateful for their presence and the material they have had to listen to, and its 'distressing' content.
Trying to butter them up.
10:32am
He says what struck him when listening to the prosecution, was that what Letby has done/not done, said/not said - that 'made her guilty'.
He says it's "as if the prosecution have a theory" and no matter what the evidence is, or isn't, is treated as to keep that theory going.
He says it "doesn't matter how inconsistent that theory is" and that "different standards are applied to Lucy Letby".
"Everything is treated as evidence of her guilt".
He says what struck him when listening to the prosecution, was that what Letby has done/not done, said/not said - that 'made her guilty'.
He says it's "as if the prosecution have a theory" and no matter what the evidence is, or isn't, is treated as to keep that theory going.
He says it "doesn't matter how inconsistent that theory is" and that "different standards are applied to Lucy Letby".
"Everything is treated as evidence of her guilt".
Yes Ben, because she’s guilty 
10:34am
He cites examples by the prosecution case - her presence when something happens, or not being present, or just leaving the unit, or just turning up for her work.
Her making a note, or not making a note - 'guilty'.
He says if she signs for medical records, or signs for others - 'guilty'.
A baby in her care doesn't show signs of deteriorations - guilty.
A baby does show signs of deteriorations - guilty.
He says it is "twisting and turning".
She cries when giving evidence - guilty.
She doesn't cry when giving evidence, or doesn't cry at the right times - guilty.
He cites examples by the prosecution case - her presence when something happens, or not being present, or just leaving the unit, or just turning up for her work.
Her making a note, or not making a note - 'guilty'.
He says if she signs for medical records, or signs for others - 'guilty'.
A baby in her care doesn't show signs of deteriorations - guilty.
A baby does show signs of deteriorations - guilty.
He says it is "twisting and turning".
She cries when giving evidence - guilty.
She doesn't cry when giving evidence, or doesn't cry at the right times - guilty.
I actually said out loud "Well duhhhhhhh" while reading this
surely that's the point!10:36am
He says there is 'not one occasion of Lucy Letby doing one of the harmful acts alleged against her.'
Mr Myers: "Not guilty."
He says "just about everything became an allegation against Lucy Letby".
He says what is really at work is "the presumption of guilt", and the prosecution case is "fuelled" and "riddled" by it.
He says there is 'not one occasion of Lucy Letby doing one of the harmful acts alleged against her.'
Mr Myers: "Not guilty."
He says "just about everything became an allegation against Lucy Letby".
He says what is really at work is "the presumption of guilt", and the prosecution case is "fuelled" and "riddled" by it.
Not to say that is a sign of her being not guilty but I do have to agree with him there and I think that’s why it’s so important to keep an open mind especially in such emotive cases.
I do think she’s guilty (which is a relief!) but I also recognise that we all come with our own preconceptions about how we think someone should behave or how someone should have acted, and they should not really form a decision on someone’s guilt.
I do think she’s guilty (which is a relief!) but I also recognise that we all come with our own preconceptions about how we think someone should behave or how someone should have acted, and they should not really form a decision on someone’s guilt.
This is pissing me off already.
10:39am
He says he would ask the jury to look at the "presumption of innocence", which is "like a bucket of cold water over everyone at this point".
He says "that's the way it works" - "that someone is innocent until proven guilty", that the jury consider the evidence is "fair and balanced".
He says "five days is a lot to listen to" - today and into tomorrow is an overview of the defence case, then he will go through the counts individually in the closing speech.
He adds he recognises the "enormity" of what the jury have to go through.
He says he would ask the jury to look at the "presumption of innocence", which is "like a bucket of cold water over everyone at this point".
He says "that's the way it works" - "that someone is innocent until proven guilty", that the jury consider the evidence is "fair and balanced".
He says "five days is a lot to listen to" - today and into tomorrow is an overview of the defence case, then he will go through the counts individually in the closing speech.
He adds he recognises the "enormity" of what the jury have to go through.
Sorry - agree with him there being the bit about her behaviour in general. Crying or not crying does not make a murderer. Insulin though is harder to argue.
Anyways, what's everyone having for their tea?
10:36am
He says there is 'not one occasion of Lucy Letby doing one of the harmful acts alleged against her.'
I would beg to differ, but go on...
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What on earth is he going to waffle on about for TWO whole days before going through each child???
He says there is 'not one occasion of Lucy Letby doing one of the harmful acts alleged against her.'
I would beg to differ, but go on...
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What on earth is he going to waffle on about for TWO whole days before going through each child???
Christ Ben. Clutching at straws. This is embarrassing.
Its annoying me too. It shouldnt as we need a fair justice system both sides need heard , logically I know this. However Im convinced of her guilt and we don't know if the jury are reasonable types or facebook hun types. It makes me nervous
10:42am
He says the information presented has been a "spaghetti soup" of data and evidence, some of which "carries little weight at all".
He says the jury must look at the detail presented.
He says it is the jury's views that matter on the evidence.
He says the information presented has been a "spaghetti soup" of data and evidence, some of which "carries little weight at all".
He says the jury must look at the detail presented.
He says it is the jury's views that matter on the evidence.
Sorry fellas, I know we've started with BM now, but I've just gotta point out - the full large coke you refer to, is, in fact, full sugar coke. There's no large in it (this is the hill I've chosen to die on 
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But Lucy is still guilty af and Ben is doing a lot of waffling to say not very much.
)But Lucy is still guilty af and Ben is doing a lot of waffling to say not very much.
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