He’s really hoping the jury have short memories isn’t he? 
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I second whoever said dioralyte for a hangover, start with at least 2 of these then you need to eat something as part of feeling so tit is the hypoglycaemia. Once you’ve eaten, take a couple of ibuprofen/recommended dose (I love how unhappy the medical/pharmacy section of the thread were at the suggestion of 4 cocodamol - rightfully so as paracetamol is a massively dangerous drug when you think you can buy it in the local shop). If you can’t get dioralyte, you need an electrolyte drink along the lines of lucozade sport - this or dioralyte uses the electrolytes to help rehydrate therefore reduce the headache/fatigue.
let’s keep spirits up today (no pun intended) where we can. Playing devils advocate (as you know I like to be objective about everything other than her guilt..) BM is doing the only thing he can - he had nothing else to bring to the table so providing a defence in the form of a 5 day close is all he has got. Will only dip in and out of the live reporting I think this week.
not sure what I’m having for tea, the heat has really changed my appetite. At the moment probably having salad and pittas with oven roasted feta
let’s keep spirits up today (no pun intended) where we can. Playing devils advocate (as you know I like to be objective about everything other than her guilt..) BM is doing the only thing he can - he had nothing else to bring to the table so providing a defence in the form of a 5 day close is all he has got. Will only dip in and out of the live reporting I think this week.
not sure what I’m having for tea, the heat has really changed my appetite. At the moment probably having salad and pittas with oven roasted feta
He says: "We are the only people who will stand up for Lucy Letby - no-one else."
Hardly something to brag about ben maybe ask why
Why bring up the common sense bit when common sense would bring you to realise Lucy is repeatedly telling lies
Hardly something to brag about ben maybe ask why
Why bring up the common sense bit when common sense would bring you to realise Lucy is repeatedly telling lies
I’m making chilli con carne for dinner 
He’s not got a leg to stand on with any of this. So all the staff are incompetent and tit and it’s only LL who’s a good nurse, yet the only “good nurse” spends ages texting during patient care, has absolutely no tact or self awareness around grieving children, is present for every single crash or death, and most of all, if she’s super nurse and concerned about the ability of her colleagues why didn’t she open her mouth and say something? Why is she so desperate to stop any conversation about the deaths on that unit, any time a colleague alludes to anything being off she’s like lightning shutting it down. Why is this woman so calm, collected about these babies dying like they did, why will she not even speak about it to her colleagues. Cos she’s the one that’s done all of this, not her mates at work, not the floaters that won’t go down, not the 4 doctors. Her. Bore off BM
Oooh, never had oven roasted feta, soundsI second whoever said dioralyte for a hangover, start with at least 2 of these then you need to eat something as part of feeling so tit is the hypoglycaemia. Once you’ve eaten, take a couple of ibuprofen/recommended dose (I love how unhappy the medical/pharmacy section of the thread were at the suggestion of 4 cocodamol - rightfully so as paracetamol is a massively dangerous drug when you think you can buy it in the local shop). If you can’t get dioralyte, you need an electrolyte drink along the lines of lucozade sport - this or dioralyte uses the electrolytes to help rehydrate therefore reduce the headache/fatigue.
let’s keep spirits up today (no pun intended) where we can. Playing devils advocate (as you know I like to be objective about everything other than her guilt..) BM is doing the only thing he can - he had nothing else to bring to the table so providing a defence in the form of a 5 day close is all he has got. Will only dip in and out of the live reporting I think this week.
not sure what I’m having for tea, the heat has really changed my appetite. At the moment probably having salad and pittas with oven roasted feta
I love this! Got to have kidney beans in it, and serve it on cheesy baked nachos with a dollop of sour cream on top *sighhhh*I’m making chilli con carne for dinner
'Poor management of stomas' for Child J
considering the parents were clearly signed off for stoma training (2 days that takes) how the hell can poor management of stomas equate to what happened to baby J
considering the parents were clearly signed off for stoma training (2 days that takes) how the hell can poor management of stomas equate to what happened to baby J
I had made that last nightI’m making chilli con carne for dinner
11:52am
Mr Myers continues his closing speech.
He says the single most important direction in the trial is the burden of proof, which is on the prosecution, and it "never shifts" to the defence.
He says the prosecution "have to make you sure", and there are so many areas where the evidence "is not clear".
Mr Myers continues his closing speech.
He says the single most important direction in the trial is the burden of proof, which is on the prosecution, and it "never shifts" to the defence.
He says the prosecution "have to make you sure", and there are so many areas where the evidence "is not clear".
Snap!I’m making chilli con carne for dinner
Lasagne with salad and garlic bread in our gaff tonight.
Feels like a good day to take up a new hobby. The council are painting some fences round the corner. Perhaps I'll go and check on the progress of that.
Feels like a good day to take up a new hobby. The council are painting some fences round the corner. Perhaps I'll go and check on the progress of that.
Where was the evidence/witnesses to back all this up, Ben?
11:58am
He says the jury have to be "sure of deliberate harm" and "with the intent to kill", and the jury must assess the "quality of evidence".
He says the "medical evidence is the foundation of this case".
Mr Myers says Lucy Letby denies all the allegations.
He says it must be identified harm being done, and being sure there was an intent to kill at the time.
He repeats that Letby denies doing anything like that on any occasion.
He says the case is "about an insistent intent to kill".
He says that much be considered in the context of Letby 'raising the alarm' for some of the babies, or looking after some of the babies 'before and after their events'.
He says the jury have to be "sure of deliberate harm" and "with the intent to kill", and the jury must assess the "quality of evidence".
He says the "medical evidence is the foundation of this case".
Mr Myers says Lucy Letby denies all the allegations.
He says it must be identified harm being done, and being sure there was an intent to kill at the time.
He repeats that Letby denies doing anything like that on any occasion.
He says the case is "about an insistent intent to kill".
He says that much be considered in the context of Letby 'raising the alarm' for some of the babies, or looking after some of the babies 'before and after their events'.
Totally agree he's throwing the kitchen sink at this and probably wants to maximise the length because the further he can put the prosecution speech into the past the better for the defence. A lot of it will be waffle but very cleverly delivered.
His line about everything LL doing seems to be a sign of guilt - whether she's there or she isn't- has struck me before. But regardless, the sheer amount of circumstantial evidence for me means she must be guilty.
His line about everything LL doing seems to be a sign of guilt - whether she's there or she isn't- has struck me before. But regardless, the sheer amount of circumstantial evidence for me means she must be guilty.
12:04pm
Mr Myers refers to the theory of air embolus, and if that 'works' each time, why would someone change it up to administering insulin.
He says it is 'awful' to think about it, but to go with the prosecution case, he asks why the methods used varied.
He says the prosecution referred to levels of insulin were doubled for Child L than for Child F.
He says for Child F the level of insulin, from the lab result, was 4,657, whereas for Child L it was 1,099, and the insulin/insulin c-peptide ratio was lower, and 'must be a quarter of the strength'.
He says "that was evidence, it was wrong".
He says if there was an intent to kill, then the dose wouldn't be a quarter of the strength second time round.
He says whatever happened, "that wasn't an intention to kill".
Mr Myers refers to the theory of air embolus, and if that 'works' each time, why would someone change it up to administering insulin.
He says it is 'awful' to think about it, but to go with the prosecution case, he asks why the methods used varied.
He says the prosecution referred to levels of insulin were doubled for Child L than for Child F.
He says for Child F the level of insulin, from the lab result, was 4,657, whereas for Child L it was 1,099, and the insulin/insulin c-peptide ratio was lower, and 'must be a quarter of the strength'.
He says "that was evidence, it was wrong".
He says if there was an intent to kill, then the dose wouldn't be a quarter of the strength second time round.
He says whatever happened, "that wasn't an intention to kill".
The thing is, this whole “whatever she is doing means she’s guilty” is possible depending on the circumstances.
for example the medical notes - by the notes stated that she has signed she can be guilty in that situation.
For other occasions they can indicate that she’s lying. It’s strange to want everything to be so “set” that it’s either one or the other. That’s not real life.
for example the medical notes - by the notes stated that she has signed she can be guilty in that situation.
For other occasions they can indicate that she’s lying. It’s strange to want everything to be so “set” that it’s either one or the other. That’s not real life.
He’s saying so much but not saying anything at all
This is just a statement, he will be going through all the cases individually much like NJ did. He doesn’t have the burden of proof as he’s defence and only has to cast doubt. The fact that he doesn’t have anything at all really to back up his claims, well, if I was on the jury I wouldn’t be convinced by him.
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