Lucy Letby Case #4

[bringingdownthebs]

If it was just the ‘I killed them on purpose’ on its own then I’d agree. But with the ‘because I’m not good enough to care for them’ makes me undecided. As it makes me question that she only thinks it was on purpose because she didn’t feel she was a good enough nurse and if she did feel she was a good nurse then maybe she wouldn’t have felt she did kill them

that’s how I interpreted it when I first read it… that she felt she wasn’t a good enough nurse and that’s what lead to their deaths. It does also appear to have been written at different times so I don’t know whether those two sentences were written at the same time or at different times.

My other stand out thought catching up on today’s court proceedings is that perhaps she had all of that information about the babies who had died because she was trying to do her own investigation into what had happened in order to clear her name. It’s clear the unit was a failing unit in an inadequate hospital… who knows what was going on at the time?

Although those types of deaths did stop after she was moved off the ward… so I’m not certain…

I think that’s all it’s own sentence, the line above “I don’t deserve mum & Dad” then under it “Tom & ?” Maybe Tom is the ex?

Tom and somebody else’s name was on that happy birthday post for her that someone posted a few threads back? One sec I’ll see if I can find it or if anyone’s added it to the wiki…

 

[SamPam]

I don't deserve mum and dad and Tom and Matt I think it says.

 

[gogojetters1429]

Been following the case.
Just after someone who could explain something for me. Baby E died august 4th 2015 however the FOI from the COCH states there was no neonatal deaths in august but 1 in july?
somewhere something is wrong

 

[Polythene Pam]

The note to me does read like the ramblings of a manic person (my partner has bipolar and it's very reminiscent). I assume they will have had her mental health assessed already.

It's a strange note. I can see how it could be interpreted as a smoking gun, but likewise I can also see how an innocent person might write notes like that when they were in a state of panic.
I think it matters when they found it and where the investigation was when it was written. If it was written straight away I'd lean towards guilt. I think if I was innocent and accused of something like this I wouldn't immediately think oh duck I'm going to jail. I'd think I just need to explain myself and that the truth would come out.

 

[Ittybittytittyclub]

May help some people decipher what Is written

 

[geegeex]

Has court been on today? I can’t find a link for the live reporting?

 

[bringingdownthebs]

Been following the case.
Just after someone who could explain something for me. Baby E died august 4th 2015 however the FOI from the COCH states there was no neonatal deaths in august but 1 in july?
somewhere something is wrong

could be down to the way things were recorded at the hospital and them not being accurate or trying to fudge the numbers (I know that’s awful to say but I’ve seen it done!!)

 

[Former_Antelopee]

They say Lucy was the only one there on the days of al the deaths? Did they check every staff role? Like health cares etc? I’m assuming they did?

 

[stardust1]

Is she an only child? Someone said an old article said she dotted on her two cats could they be Tom and matt?

 

[freaknasty]

It does say Tom and Matt.

edited because I think they are extremely young people and they don’t need to be involved in this

 

[Former_Antelopee]

Is she an only child? Someone said an old article said she dotted on her two cats could they be Tom and matt?

Didn’t someone say only her parents and best friend weee allowed into the court, maybe Tom/Matt is a best friend?

 

[yellowboat]

A sneaky air bubble won't hurt an adult. Back in my early days we'd count drips and only certain meds would go through pumps. Its near impossible not to get tiny amounts of air in. I understand it needs to be like 5 mls + but I don't know. Don't panic about bubbles though, well only a little
Having said that the amount in neonates would be tiny. Again, as a rule of thumb, the stomach is the size of your fist.. So pumping air in via NG would be super easy and undetectable. Gives me the shivers

My background is paeds! Neonates are more like tiny marbles than fists. Even ‘Cpap belly’ doesn’t give you that amount of air in the stomach

 

[CharlieTYBT]

To me, the note appears to have been written at different times. Most of it on the left appears to have been written in a storytelling style, all the self pitying “me me me” crap “I feel so alone how can I get through this” blah blah (nothing about her patients & families who she apparently cared about so much she facebooked stalked them on Xmas day of course!) Then, on the right of the note, it’s more statements, Confessional, blunt; I KILLED THEM, I AM EVIL, I AM AN AWFUL PERSON I DID THIS ON PURPOSE Like she’s re-read her ramble & corrected it to reflect the actual truth of the situation

That's quite possible that she wrote the note on purpose to make it look like she was in an innocent mental anguish and make people pity her which, let's face it, is happening now the picture of it's been released. Whether she's innocent and has mental health problems or is a psychopath and is having anguish about finally being caught, she clearly has issues.

 

[bluefish40]

I am trying to catch up, I’m still on the previous thread and think there will be a new one before I get to this one.

I was a neonatal nurse, 11 years ago now. I will try as others have to answer any questions etc, but be aware that best practices change, especially after more than 10 years although many fundamentals stay the same.

I have thought about this, an honestly I worked in a brilliant NICU (high dependency)which was also a SCBU (for babies who need help feeding mainly)
Our high dependency was a room with a 360 nurses station in the middle and incubators around the walls, hope that explains it.
But people get busy, and engrossed in what they are doing. Often babies would stop breathing, (and this might sound awful) but a quick tap of the pedal to make the incubator move up or down would be enough to give the baby a little shock and remind them that they need to breathe. (I have seen people asking how common these deteriorations can be) in my experience these little episodes are quite frequent. The only child death we had in the three years while I worked there was a full term baby who had complications, very sick babies were transferred to a specialist children's hospital close by.
There are numerous times in a day when you are preoccupied with your patients, talking to parents, or simply running to the lav, simple things happen numerous times a day where your trusting your colleagues and they have times where they are ‘unsupervised’
She could have easily had syringes prepared with medication in her pocket, just waiting on an opportunity to strike. So in plain sight if you understand me.

I don’t really know my point in saying this, it has probably been covered 100s of times, but I feel better getting it off my chest and sharing.

 

[SamPam]

I think it says "How can I get through it how will things ever be like they used to they won't"
"Hate myself so much for what this has..."

It's very disjointed though, like ramblings as pp said.

 

[liz9090]

What is the defence putting forward? That she was a whistle-blower and reported malpractice of senior management?.

 

[chocolatestirrer]

Veering towards innocent atm. I feel those notes are from a desperate person who’s accused of something she didn’t do, feel sad scared and alone. Reads a bit like I couldn’t save them so feels guilty

Also I know the murders seemed to have stopped now but if she’s innocent the real killer might be laying low to frame innocent person? Or has moved to a different area of country/hospital and it’s still happening

 

[PinkSugar]

Why was she writing about the police in her note? How did she know they were coming? This is all so weird...

 

[crumpets2]

Why was she writing about the police in her note? How did she know they were coming? This is all so weird...

The timing hasn’t been suggested for the note. It could be years into the investigations, we don’t know (unless I’ve missed this).

 

[Moronic]

I don't know how everyone is missing the fact that the FULL quote on the post-it says: "I killed them because I am not good enough to care for them"
Other parts of the note say:
Police Indignation
Slander Discrimination
Hate myself so much for what this has [caused?]

there are two words above “I killed them on purpose because I am not good enough to care for them” which could make that sentence completely different. But I can’t make out what they are.

For example if it was ‘they think’ or ‘they said’ but I don’t think it is, but it’s something…