Lucy Letby Case #36

[MmmB777]

I'm firmly of the opinion, and I think @gigilouxx will agree with me, that deep down these narcs do know the truth, but they construct a new truth for themselves and absolutely believe it. So I think she's being 'truthful' when she can't recall/denies everything, but only in respect of her construction of truth, not the objective reality.

Yes even I’m evil I did this cos I wasn’t good enough to look after them is a construction to make her feel better about it. She killed them because she’s evil and she wanted to.

Many healthcare serial killers eventually create a narrative of mercy or hating seeing people suffering - generally always comes unstuck because they’ve killed many people that would have gone on to enjoy life and live longer! But it sounds palatable and keeps them in control of the narrative.

 

[AmeliaPevensie]

Yes even I’m evil I did this cos I wasn’t good enough to look after them is a construction to make her feel better about it. She killed them because she’s evil and she wanted to.

She wasn't wrong, to be fair to her. She wasn't good enough at humaning, nevermind nursing, to be anywhere near any baby!

 

[jackssack]

I just love how up herself she is. S
SB and RJ said it was a purpuric rash, but they don't know tit because super nurse Letby said it was mottling.
What an absolute nob-end.

 

[Futtrit]

2:16pm
The trial is now resuming after its lunch break.

 

[gigilouxx]

I'm firmly of the opinion, and I think @gigilouxx will agree with me, that deep down these narcs do know the truth, but they construct a new truth for themselves and absolutely believe it. So I think she's being 'truthful' when she can't recall/denies everything, but only in respect of her construction of truth, not the objective reality.

100%
Plus to add, they spend their lives gaslighting and manipulating everyone around them to believe the narrative that they set, therefore they’re often unknowingly indulged which just makes them worse!

 

[amsmall]

Letby, when questioned, says babies would "frequently desaturate", to this level, and this happened prior to June 2015, and "often".

Scary tit, has she tripped herself up here as there's more babies she's done this to in the past?

 

[coffeeandwine]

I've dipped in on my break and Christ today has been rough. It was bad enough when I thought she had gone into a total frenzy going after the triplets but to know she actively calculated and falsified records to take three children from their parents is making me feel ill.

 

[tay65]

Do we know the gestation of the triplets?

I think it was around 32 weeks

 

[pissedandsad]

LL must really wanna murder Nick, he’s been taking the piss out of her lately. From dancing the dance to going commando and teasing her about her boyfriend multiple times. He seems to be gaining confidence in every exchange. I get the impression he’s enjoying this

I think he is showing how incredibly shallow she is, how spiteful, jealous and petty. How needy, narcissistic, and conniving. He has on full display what an attention bleep she is, back-stabbing, contrived, fake, lying - how she would viciously take a precious life to gain a moment of adulation from a crush. She is a piece of work.

 

[Futtrit]

2:22pm
The cross-examination continues in the case of Child P.

Letby agrees there were 'no problems' at the time of the handover for Child P on the night of June 23. She recalls the x-ray taken shortly after that handover.

The x-ray report said: 'NG tube in satisfactory position...gas-filled bowel loops throughout the abdomen, through to the lower rectum, with no evidence of obstruction and no plain film signs of perforation'

Letby denies pumping Child P with air.

She agrees this was a deterioration for Child P.

Medical expert witness Dr Owen Arthurs had previously told the court this image was "quite unusual" for a baby of that gestation.

Letby says she cannot comment how the gas got there, only that she did not put it there.

 

[tay65]

So they think the datix form was a lie to cover her own a?

And she tried to fabricate information on that

 

[Futtrit]

2:24pm

A 14ml aspirate is recorded for Child P at the time of handover at 8pm.

NJ: "That was your doing, wasn't it?"

LL: "No."

NJ: "On your way home, you were sowing the seeds with your colleagues?" Mr Johnson refers to the 'Worry as identical' text message Letby had sent. "You were feeding a false narrative, trying to divert attention away from your homicidal activites?"

LL: "No."

 

[AmeliaPevensie]

100%
Plus to add, they spend their lives gaslighting and manipulating everyone around them to believe the narrative that they set, therefore they’re often unknowingly indulged which just makes them worse!

Yes! And take it as a personal insult when somebody sees through their narrative, and starts to paint that person(s) as a villain too.

I think a lot of them enjoy this behaviour, almost like it's a sport.

 

[Liverbird2003]

I think it was around 32 weeks

Wow, that is really good for triplets with one placenta!

 

[MmmB777]

 

[mrs.darcy]

Sorry but my blood is boiling. I've never felt so angry reading details of a trial before. She remembers minute details about things when it means she can throw someone else under the bus but when faced with hard evidence about her actions she can't recall, can't answer, doesn't know. duck OFF.

I am confident that the excellent BNE will remind the jury of this in his summing up.

 

[Futtrit]

Now
14:27
Letby: 'I can't say how the gas got into' Child P
Child P was handed over to one of Lucy Letby's colleagues at the end of the day shift on 23 June 2016, the day his brother, Child O, died.

At this point, Letby agrees, Child P had no problems.

Child P had last been given CPAP (continuous positive airway pressure therapy) 36 hours earlier.

Nick Johnson KC, the prosecution barrister, alleges that Letby pumped Child P with air just before handing him over.

"No," says Letby.

Mr Johnson then asks: "Do you agree the gas was there because someone put it there?"

"I can't comment on how the gas got there," Letby says. "I just know it wasn't me that put it there."

Mr Johnson then says that as Letby walked home, she was "sewing the seeds with your colleagues".

He is referencing texts Letby sent to her colleagues (see 12.45pm post).

Mr Johnson says to Letby she was "trying to divert attention away from your homicidal activities".

"No."

 

[pixieroo]

I do think BNE is changing (from the reporting at least) some of his wording to have it stick in the mind of the Jury too. The latest being "homicidal activities" and "set your plan in motion" as well as "worried they were on to you" from earlier... all good tactics in my book.

 

[mrs.darcy]

12:24pm

Mr Johnson says Child O's mother, in agreed evidence, said her baby was 'changing colour' with 'prominent veins.' She says she later saw that in Child P.

Letby says she didn't see that herself.

The father of Child O said 'you could see his different veins - it looked like he had prickly heat, like something oozing through his veins'.

Letby says she did not see anything like that.

She accepts she saw a red-purply blotchy rash and a red abdomen.

I know who I believe and it's not LL.

It is so hard to read what's happened to these babies, those poor parents having to listen to all this.

 

[Futtrit]

2:32pm
5ml of air and 2ml of milk is aspirated from Child P at 7am.

"How much milk had [Child P] been fed overnight?"

Letby said Child P had been fed prior to midnight. She says if the NG Tube is in the stomach, air would come out.

Letby disagrees that Child P was well at the morning handover time, as Child P was 'nil by mouth'.

A police interview had earlier said Letby saying Child P was stable and well.

Mr Johnson suggests Letby is deliberately making the appearance of Child P worse now than at the time she gave her police interview.

LL: "No."