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anyone there today who can comment om Lucy’s demeanour and tone when she’s answering the question about the other nurse (Belinda)?
Was it like “I couldn’t say” as in I genuinely don’t know, or “I couldn’t say
” as in I’m making an innuendo so you’ll think it could have been her..
If I ever make it to court I’ll make sure to order and wear some of these bum bum shorts so you all knows it’s me.
Was it like “I couldn’t say” as in I genuinely don’t know, or “I couldn’t say
” as in I’m making an innuendo so you’ll think it could have been her..If I ever make it to court I’ll make sure to order and wear some of these bum bum shorts so you all knows it’s me.
How is this thread the funniest thread and the saddest thread all at the same time! It’s as contradictory as Lucy!! 
Oh you little beauty! Thank you for this.Mistrials only tend to happen if the jury cannot reach a verdict. I don't think delays will be grounds for mistrial. The only thing would be that the jury go down to below 9 members or they can't come to a unanimous or majority verdict after deliberations.
Says a a lot about her defence if BM is already prepping for an appeal.
Upon conviction, she wont have an automatic right to appeal - she would have to be granted permission to appeal. She would have to demonstrate that;
- Judge has made a error in law (mis-advising the jury for example)
- Bias - the judge has shown bias during proceedings - reporting suggests this hasn't happened here - in fact he has been very fair to her and has acommodated her requests throughout. He's allowed BM to object and has reprimanded NJ when he's got a bit... spicy.
- Admissibility of evidence - I imagine that was all agreed before the trial started - hence all the legal discussions. IIRC the judge already dismissed some of the charges the CPS brought against her.
- If Jury have been naughty and have been found to have conducted research outside of the courtroom or has contacted witnesses etc.
- There is a change in legislation and someone has been convicted of something that has been legalised after conviction - not gonna happen here.
- New evidence which if heard during the trial would have introduced sufficient reasonable doubt which may have returned a NG verdict.
- The last ground would be an unsafe guilty plea (i.e false confessions and the like) - not applicable here.
Its been a while since my law A level but from what I can gather from reporting so far, the judge has done a great job keeping proceedings as fair as possible. He can't control Juror sickness or other delays but as long as he follows the correct processes in dealing with such, the integrity of the trial will remain intact.
Apologies for the long post....
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possibly the nicest thing anyone has ever said about me, cheers lovely 🥹Oh you little beauty! Thank you for this.
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No apology needed, this was very reassuring! With all the jury issues I thought things were on a shoogly peg, but it seems it's not as bad as it maybe looks.Mistrials only tend to happen if the jury cannot reach a verdict. I don't think delays will be grounds for mistrial. The only thing would be that the jury go down to below 9 members or they can't come to a unanimous or majority verdict after deliberations.
Says a a lot about her defence if BM is already prepping for an appeal.
Upon conviction, she wont have an automatic right to appeal - she would have to be granted permission to appeal. She would have to demonstrate that;
- Judge has made a error in law (mis-advising the jury for example)
- Bias - the judge has shown bias during proceedings - reporting suggests this hasn't happened here - in fact he has been very fair to her and has acommodated her requests throughout. He's allowed BM to object and has reprimanded NJ when he's got a bit... spicy.
- Admissibility of evidence - I imagine that was all agreed before the trial started - hence all the legal discussions. IIRC the judge already dismissed some of the charges the CPS brought against her.
- If Jury have been naughty and have been found to have conducted research outside of the courtroom or has contacted witnesses etc.
- There is a change in legislation and someone has been convicted of something that has been legalised after conviction - not gonna happen here.
- New evidence which if heard during the trial would have introduced sufficient reasonable doubt which may have returned a NG verdict.
- The last ground would be an unsafe guilty plea (i.e false confessions and the like) - not applicable here.
Its been a while since my law A level but from what I can gather from reporting so far, the judge has done a great job keeping proceedings as fair as possible. He can't control Juror sickness or other delays but as long as he follows the correct processes in dealing with such, the integrity of the trial will remain intact.
Apologies for the long post....
No. I've never seen it. We tend to see only clear, yellow or green on neonates and only when we suction. I guess it's not impossible if it's a difficult intubation but in one of Letby's victims there was so much that it was difficult to visualise the cords. That's not normal.
Wow I'm honoured.Oh you little beauty! Thank you for this.
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@docmum Knows about haemorrhoids and stuff
@Lucyxxxx Our resident poet
@Haveyouanywool Has forgotten what she knew
I can not recall where my own arse is but may invest in some crutch full, pinching cycling shorts as a constant reminder.Oh you little beauty! Thank you for this.
Just to confirm am I now able to put you on my TEA list? *Tattle Expert Adviser*
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@Tofino Our wiki expert
@MmmB777 Expert in HCSKs
@docmum Knows about haemorrhoids and stuff
@Lucyxxxx Our resident poet
@Haveyouanywool Has forgotten what she knew
Imagine we all rocked up to the court wearing them like a band of baboonsanyone there today who can comment om Lucy’s demeanour and tone when she’s answering the question about the other nurse (Belinda)?
Was it like “I couldn’t say” as in I genuinely don’t know, or “I couldn’t say
If I ever make it to court I’ll make sure to order and wear some of these bum bum shorts so you all knows it’s me.
Oh you are lovelyOh you little beauty! Thank you for this.
Just to confirm am I now able to put you on my TEA list? *Tattle Expert Adviser*
Take some pressure off poor lilyrose1234
Others on the list include:
@pissedandsad Our USA correspondent
@Tofino Our wiki expert
@MmmB777 Expert in HCSKs
@docmum Knows about haemorrhoids and stuff
@Lucyxxxx Our resident poet
@Haveyouanywool Has forgotten what she knew
I am no expert by any means. I just have a brain full of random titbits
happy to share and help where I can.Imagine we all rocked up to the court wearing them like a band of baboons
we need the human centipede plushy to plug the baboon's arses too.
I can bring mine
but I’m not going anywhere near your baboon arses. Weirdos. XoxoSwear to god I thought that’s what it was but was afraid to say in case I started to get HC targeted ads
Thank you for this, it is helpful and I like to know stuffMistrials only tend to happen if the jury cannot reach a verdict. I don't think delays will be grounds for mistrial. The only thing would be that the jury go down to below 9 members or they can't come to a unanimous or majority verdict after deliberations.
Says a a lot about her defence if BM is already prepping for an appeal.
Upon conviction, she wont have an automatic right to appeal - she would have to be granted permission to appeal. She would have to demonstrate that;
- Judge has made a error in law (mis-advising the jury for example)
- Bias - the judge has shown bias during proceedings - reporting suggests this hasn't happened here - in fact he has been very fair to her and has acommodated her requests throughout. He's allowed BM to object and has reprimanded NJ when he's got a bit... spicy.
- Admissibility of evidence - I imagine that was all agreed before the trial started - hence all the legal discussions. IIRC the judge already dismissed some of the charges the CPS brought against her.
- If Jury have been naughty and have been found to have conducted research outside of the courtroom or has contacted witnesses etc.
- There is a change in legislation and someone has been convicted of something that has been legalised after conviction - not gonna happen here.
- New evidence which if heard during the trial would have introduced sufficient reasonable doubt which may have returned a NG verdict.
- The last ground would be an unsafe guilty plea (i.e false confessions and the like) - not applicable here.
Its been a while since my law A level but from what I can gather from reporting so far, the judge has done a great job keeping proceedings as fair as possible. He can't control Juror sickness or other delays but as long as he follows the correct processes in dealing with such, the integrity of the trial will remain intact.
Apologies for the long post....
Haha I won’t block you as long as you only ask things I know the answer too@LilyRose1234 oh I'm sorry for tagging you again, please don't block me
Is the possibility of a mistral a real one? Could this case really collapse because of the stopping and starting/problematic jury?
I honestly don’t know, but the judge and the legal teams will know, so I’d guess if they thought this would be potential grounds of a mistrial and it’s the same juror, they’d have gone down to 11 to be safe. The fact they’ve kept going would suggest to me that on its own it doesn’t jeopardise the trial but that’s just me guessing really
Imagine we all rocked up to the court wearing them like a band of baboons
It was bad enough when I started getting Matalan adverts after joining this thread but no now I’m also getting the baboon butt advert!!!
Peeved that it’s not continuing tomorrow but does mean I can give my full attention to the new person in my team I’m supposed to be training instead of giving her long tedious tasks while I catch up here
feel bad for the families and also for no BNE tomorrow, he seemed excellent today from the reporting!!!! (He’s excellent every day 
but today especially )
Peeved that it’s not continuing tomorrow but does mean I can give my full attention to the new person in my team I’m supposed to be training instead of giving her long tedious tasks while I catch up here
feel bad for the families and also for no BNE tomorrow, he seemed excellent today from the reporting!!!! (He’s excellent every day but today especially )Also I’m going to speculate further and suggest that given having an effective defence (so BM) that is on parity with prosecution is part of your right to a fair trial, I don’t think BM could just ride it out so he can appeal later, he’d need to be bringing it up now that it’s jeopardising the trial or I can’t see the court of appeal liking the fact she had a perfectly competent KC who just didn’t raise the issue at all… 
again, just speculating really but defeats the point of having a very experience lawyer if they can just ride out a trial so they can appeal later, if that makes sense?
again, just speculating really but defeats the point of having a very experience lawyer if they can just ride out a trial so they can appeal later, if that makes sense?- Status