Did you see that BM said something along the lines of that his questioning ‘is not for lack of sympathy’….?!?!I’ve tried to link it up with the wiki but it is quite difficult isn’t it. Yes thought that too, poor thing. And BM insinuating it was her inexperience too. Hellish experience for that poor nurse.
I wonder if she was hoping for a letter back from the parents singing her praises about what an amazing job she did and how caring she is.To me she’s trying to mimick emotions, bevause it doesn’t come naturally to her.
The card is inappropriate even if she had built a strong bond with the parents. Just the words and what’s in it. The only way you’d do this on a professional capacity is if you signed as a card from all of the nurses that looked after her.
The parents probably didn’t even register the card, they had so many and you’d just be overwhelmed any in complete turmoil to even notice.
Completely agree. It’s almost a mixture stock phrases and expressions and all are way too personal/emotional for a brief professional relationship that the mother seems to think was negative if remarkable at all.To me she’s trying to mimick emotions, bevause it doesn’t come naturally to her.
The card is inappropriate even if she had built a strong bond with the parents. Just the words and what’s in it. The only way you’d do this on a professional capacity is if you signed as a card from all of the nurses that looked after her.
The parents probably didn’t even register the card, they had so many and you’d just be overwhelmed any in complete turmoil to even notice.
that could be part of it yes, because she wasn’t the only nurse that looked after her. If you felt that strongly that you wanted to do something, would you not ask the other nurses who cared for her to perhaps sign a card, maybe ask advice on what would be an appropriate card. To me the card she sent, even if innocently was inappropriate because the text on it was hardly referring to the death of a tiny baby who should have had their whole life ahead. I’m sure you’d just be so worried about whether it was appropriate or not. It’s very much like “ look at me !”I wonder if she was hoping for a letter back from the parents singing her praises about what an amazing job she did and how caring she is.
Yes, totally. These are the words you should write, may have even looked them up somewhere. It’s mimicking behaviours.Completely agree. It’s almost a mixture stock phrases and expressions and all are way too personal/emotional for a brief professional relationship that the mother seems to think was negative if remarkable at all.
Plus she wants confirmation from the parents that "you did all you could", she'd probably stopped getting this from her workmates at this point...that could be part of it yes, because she wasn’t the only nurse that looked after her. If you felt that strongly that you wanted to do something, would you not ask the other nurses who cared for her to perhaps sign a card, maybe ask advice on what would be an appropriate card. To me the card she sent, even if innocently was inappropriate because the text on it was hardly referring to the death of a tiny baby who should have had their whole life ahead. I’m sure you’d just be so worried about whether it was appropriate or not. It’s very much like “ look at me !”
She seems to be abnormally obsessed with work with all the texting to colleagues about patients when she was not on duty or when her colleagues were not on duty, and all the Facebook searches of the parents late at night and on Christmas day and sometimes months after the were on NICU. For a young women probably in her mind 20's (at the time) it doesn't seem normal or innocent. She could not leave work behind even to the extent of having patient notes in her house. Harold Shipman was like that which gave patients the impression of dedication. LL gave some of her colleagues the impression of dedication as well.that could be part of it yes, because she wasn’t the only nurse that looked after her. If you felt that strongly that you wanted to do something, would you not ask the other nurses who cared for her to perhaps sign a card, maybe ask advice on what would be an appropriate card. To me the card she sent, even if innocently was inappropriate because the text on it was hardly referring to the death of a tiny baby who should have had their whole life ahead. I’m sure you’d just be so worried about whether it was appropriate or not. It’s very much like “ look at me !”
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Yes, totally. These are the words you should write, may have even looked them up somewhere. It’s mimicking behaviours.
Seems totally off and out of place.
I've always liked to think she was perhaps not guilty but I'm starting to think she is. That WhatsApp message is creepy as hell, I'm not bothered what patient I'm assigned as long as they aren't a PITABloody hell that’s insane almost like the staff know something is dodgy so making sure only one staff a night instead of the same staff … she’s definitely guilty . I’ve worked in a hospital for eight years and I’ve never been bothered about what patient I’m helping .
It can be normal and it's actually normally the younger more geeky ones who get obsessed with work and patients. Climbing the ladder , Working loads of overtime time. By the time people meet a partner have a family it stops as they have other things to think about. I do think the WhatsApp messages are weird thoughShe seems to be abnormally obsessed with work with all the texting to colleagues about patients when she was not on duty or when her colleagues were not on duty, and all the Facebook searches of the parents late at night and on Christmas day and sometimes months after the were on NICU. For a young women probably in her mind 20's (at the time) it doesn't seem normal or innocent. She could not leave work behind even to the extent of having patient notes in her house. Harold Shipman was like that which gave patients the impression of dedication. LL gave some of her colleagues the impression of dedication as well.
Yes, totally. These are the words you should write, may have even looked them up somewhere. It’s mimicking behaviours.Completely agree. It’s almost a mixture stock phrases and expressions and all are way too personal/emotional for a brief professional relationship that the mother seems to think was negative if remarkable at all.
I used to be a healthcare assistant in a children's psychiatric unit. If a child's needs and risks meant they required 1:1 support, the rota was always arranged so that the responsibility was shared equally between staff. This was partly so no one got burnt out by having to do all the high-risk complex care by themselves, and partly so staff didn't end up playing favourites with patients. I've never worked on a NICU but I imagine something similar might apply.I wonder if this was because someone was beginning to have suspicions either about LL directly or that someone was deliberately harming babies, trying to make sure the babies were not with one nurse more than one shift at a time.
Her response has something happened, I bet she was beginning to fear she was being found out…
Also I would like to keep her, to me that’s weird too If I was having the shit luck she was supposed to be having I would want the babies that were most stable !
If that was the case would it not be the same with every baby and not just this one baby, this is the only incident where the changing of nurses have been mentioned, it could be innocent like you say but it may be people were having suspicions of her and were rotating nurses. I guess we don’t have enough information to be absolutely sure either way.I used to be a healthcare assistant in a children's psychiatric unit. If a child's needs and risks meant they required 1:1 support, the rota was always arranged so that the responsibility was shared equally between staff. This was partly so no one got burnt out by having to do all the high-risk complex care by themselves, and partly so staff didn't end up playing favourites with patients. I've never worked on a NICU but I imagine something similar might apply.
Her question about "something happening" does sound pretty sinister/defensive.
Had she asked to work with other babies before, do we know? I haven't followed the live court updates in depth. It's an inappropriate request. It's natural to have some patients you like better than others, as nobody has an off button for their feelings, but it's unprofessional to indulge that. In safeguarding training we were taught that a staff member always wanting to work with the same patient was a potential sign of abuse.If that was the case would it not be the same with every baby and not just this one baby, this is the only incident where the changing of nurses have been mentioned, it could be innocent like you say but it may be people were having suspicions of her and were rotating nurses. I guess we don’t have enough information to be absolutely sure either way.
I imagine by this baby the stress levels in the ward for all the staff must have been high with the amount of deaths occurring So maybe that was reason too for changing nurses ?
It was negative, I remember thinking about the tone of “she realised and stopped” and “going on” implied she was unprofessional and irritating at the least. I’ve also read somewhere that child I’s mum was keen to get their daughter home because she’d seen people not washing hands and touching things Etc I’ll try and find the articleCompletely agree. It’s almost a mixture stock phrases and expressions and all are way too personal/emotional for a brief professional relationship that the mother seems to think was negative if remarkable at all.
I wouldn't say it's automatically inappropriate, if you have good rapport with a patient and their family or can offer consistency in care then its really normal to be reallocated. Often makes it easier for the nurse if its busy expecially if they're complex as they already know all their history. Also it's easier for the family to have consistency in their point if contact.Had she asked to work with other babies before, do we know? I haven't followed the live court updates in depth. It's an inappropriate request. It's natural to have some patients you like better than others, as nobody has an off button for their feelings, but it's unprofessional to indulge that. In safeguarding training we were taught that a staff member always wanting to work with the same patient was a potential sign of abuse.
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