There he goes again...implying SE not competent to care for baby C!! She had a senior with her in same room!!
If he has no more defence than this then LL needs to be worried
If he has no more defence than this then LL needs to be worried
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Why is it not a nice question to ask? I know we live in an ableist world, but thereās nothing actually offensive about querying whether a baby had an undiagnosed genetic problem.
Yea but parents can - and do - opt out of screening. Itās also a quite āvagueā screening test. Blood tests are run and the results list the likelihood of the main three trisomies (Downs, Edwards and Patau syndromes), given as 1 in 5000, 1 in 10000 etc.
If the test comes back as higher risk, then amniocentesis is offered.
But even if a pregnancy appears to be low risk, sometimes a baby does turn out to have a trisomy rather unexpectedly. Because you could still be that one in 5000, IYSWIM.
Not specifically about LL, but I feel so sorry for this young nurse.
It's making me so angry.....whether she's guilty or not she's one insensitive, almost sick witch and has shown it more than once
Me too....its awful
I think someone else mentioned that there's no specific training given for dealing with bereavement and so the instances we've seen don't strike me as totally 'out there'. I work in a field that requires some sensitivity, and sometimes around children. Before I had children of my own I now realise, I probably spoke in ways, or suggested things, that I wouldn't now (placing myself in the place of a parent).
Having a newly qualified nurse under supervision of a senior nurse is good practice. Any nurse starting out their career in any ward, especially in a high dependency unit needs support. If she had of been left to her own devices I would agree that this would have been inappropriate. But to be placed under supervision whilst given a sick baby is in my view, good practice. No harm to the defence, but to me that is not a defence at all.
I get that but shes shown herself to be insensitive, inappropriate and downright arrogant so far...she is certainly not coming across as " compassionate" ...well I dont think she is...I may be interpreting things differently.
In nursing some things you can't teach or train for...as in compassion and empathy...both of which she does appear lacking in in some scenarios!!
I have never heard that phrase "grief tourist" before but think it's pretty spot on for what she was at!! Such a freak.
Iām not saying it was necessarily an insensitive question, depending on context, but it could have been seen as an attempt to cast doubt on why the baby died, if it was one of the babies who died, in an effort to muddy the waters.
I myself think I would find it difficult on how to react in situations like that - part of me wouldn't want to walk away as I'd think the family would think I was rude or not supportive, but then part of me would want to walk away to let them have private time - I'd be questioning myself constantly on what was most appropriate. As I've gotten older I've learned just to ask what someone wants and that way I don't mess it up, but I think at 25 I'd have been absolutely useless at what was the 'right' thing to do.
Nobody hurried me along when I was with my dog after he was put down. Absolutely insane to think any normal person would say what she did to Baby Cs parents whilst their baby was slowly passing away in their arms. Baby was still breathing. Donāt think you can take that in isolation either, of course things like that are less meaningful if looked at on their own.
But she wasnāt the designated nurse or even the one supporting the designated nurse. She had her own babies to be caring for. Itās bizarre she decided to get involved with the parents when it was nothing of her concern.
So, according to what we're hearing:
Sophie Ellis was 'a very competent nurse' who was familiar with the ward.
Melanie Taylor was also there for support.
There had been 'no clinical concerns' for Child C when shift began.
The baby in LL's care was seen as the 'most concerning' of the two in terms of physical condition.
Defence is still pushing the idea that hospital failings were responsible for the deaths. I understand this is his job and it's a fair line of questioning, but I'm not finding the argument very convincing at this stage because it seems insufficient to explain the collapses.
Sophie Ellis was 'a very competent nurse' who was familiar with the ward.
Melanie Taylor was also there for support.
There had been 'no clinical concerns' for Child C when shift began.
The baby in LL's care was seen as the 'most concerning' of the two in terms of physical condition.
Defence is still pushing the idea that hospital failings were responsible for the deaths. I understand this is his job and it's a fair line of questioning, but I'm not finding the argument very convincing at this stage because it seems insufficient to explain the collapses.
She was asked more than once though by the shift leader to leave the family alone and go back to her designated baby. Itās the being repeatedly asked that is the big red flag
Yeah...I get you but my point also is...why the hell is she interfering and not concentrating on her own live babiesi
Baby C was not her patient...it's bizarre at the very least
I agree re people all respond differently in very different situations. I think the part thatās harder to explain away is that she was repeatedly told by her boss to leave the room. So she was clearly aware she didnāt need/wasnāt wanted there
I could literally scream....I'm so angry at this pointShe was asked more than once though by the shift leader to leave the family alone and go back to her designated baby. Itās the being repeatedly asked that is the big red flag
And they had just had a baby die yet there she was leaving a more poorly baby in a compromising situation.
THIS. A million times over.
She's a sick person one way or the other. Say she didn't kill these babies, she still clearly "enjoyed" the parents pain on some level. She's exactly the type of person who should not be in ANY kind of caring profession.I could literally scream....I'm so angry at this point
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