Lucy Letby Case #11

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From doing a bit of googling it is clear that insulin poisoning after death is very hard to detect!
This academic article title stood out to me

Is insulin intoxication still the perfect crime? Analysis and interpretation of postmortem insulin: review and perspectives in forensic toxicology

Says to me if successful she thought she would easily get away with it. Makes me wonder has she actually been successful previously? I mean there are apparently other deaths not included in the charges. Could these possibly have been insulin related, but she was successful and they were deemed as dying of natural causes? Scary thought !
The second baby to suffer insulin was much higher dose than the first. Certainly the person was hoping this time it was successful.
 
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Just a musing out loud if I may - if someone has 'mastered' a technique and it's working well (apologies for how flippant this sounds), why would they change to something that potentially would be detectable? That's also puzzling me.
that’s also how Charles Cullen killed. Switched and changed to stop people suspecting and watching one drug. Charles used insulin, digoxin and I think something else. BAused insulin, lidocaine and smoothering
 
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The second baby to suffer insulin was much higher than the first. Certainly the person was hoping this time it was successful.
That was my next point! I was just about to copy and paste that. Beat me to it! It’s not all just coincidence.
 
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that’s also how Charles Cullen killed. Switched and changed to stop people suspecting and watching one drug. Charles used insulin, digoxin and I think something else. BAused insulin, lidocaine and smoothering
As did BA she used varying methods! Just realised you mention BA my bad ! X
 
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Pretty much all of the babies should have survived. I know they were prem, but most prem babies now survive, even micro preemies. The care they have now in the uk is generally so advanced that most of these babies are surviving and usually they know if a child won’t make it… Obviously some don’t, but there was no way this level of deaths was normal.
 
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I would recommend reading back through the prosecutions opening statements to anyone that thinks it’s still a coincidence.

At one point she asked colleagues in a text if a baby that died unknowingly had Down Syndrome. There seems to be a pattern of her being inappropriate.
 
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Pretty much all of the babies should have survived. I know they were prem, but most prem babies now survive, even micro preemies. The care they have now in the uk is generally so advanced that most of these babies are surviving and usually they know if a child won’t make it… Obviously some don’t, but there was no way this level of deaths was normal.
Absolutely 💔 and even if you accept air embolism but you think it was caused by poor treatment & machines (although I feel this has been extremely well explained as not possible) then presumably again these occurrences wouldn’t be rare because up and down the country they are commonly used treatments and machines. And then as well as that you have to dismiss all the witness accounts on both the mottling ans the unexpectedness of the babies declines. And then have to dismiss Letby’s presence and recent intervention as significant. It’s too much for me. I know some people find the evidence weak but I think it’s incredibly strong when it is a crime of this nature.
 
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I would recommend reading back through the prosecutions opening statements to anyone that thinks it’s still a coincidence.

At one point she asked colleagues in a text if a baby that died unknowingly had Down Syndrome. There seems to be a pattern of her being inappropriate.
Why is that inapproriate, it's quite common for Downs to not be immediately picked up
 
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Tell you what’s making me thinking this morning. How the hell she’s living with herself. She’s got a strong constitution to be able to wake up every day and pretend she’s not done all this. Surprised she’s not tried to kill herself or that someone’s not killed her yet. Wonder if anyones battered her one yet in prison. People are bad and commit crimes but baby killers and pweirdo’s are never tolerated in prison. I’d be terrified if I were her
 
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Why is that inapproriate, it's quite common for Downs to not be immediately picked up
It just doesnt sound like a very nice question to ask to me... but then I'm not medical, so maybe it was ok. I think I'd be more expressing sadness that the baby had died.
 
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What was peoples reasoning for not guilty? Good on you for standing your ground!
Basically "but why did the victims choose to spend time with the attacker", as if it matters. People have some worrying views about grape and sexual assault. And honestly in this case it was clear the defendant was guilty after the first day (the trial went on for weeks).
 
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Tell you what’s making me thinking this morning. How the hell she’s living with herself. She’s got a strong constitution to be able to wake up every day and pretend she’s not done all this. Surprised she’s not tried to kill herself or that someone’s not killed her yet. Wonder if anyones battered her one yet in prison. People are bad and commit crimes but baby killers and pweirdo’s are never tolerated in prison. I’d be terrified if I were her
This goes both ways. Imagine being her if you're innocent. Either way I'd have topped myself.
 
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Why is that inapproriate, it's quite common for Downs to not be immediately picked up
Do they still do pre-birth screening for Downs Syndrome? They used to. I don’t think it’s 100% accurate but would it not pick up most cases?
Plus there are physical signs that would be noted after birth.
 
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Tell you what’s making me thinking this morning. How the hell she’s living with herself. She’s got a strong constitution to be able to wake up every day and pretend she’s not done all this. Surprised she’s not tried to kill herself or that someone’s not killed her yet. Wonder if anyones battered her one yet in prison. People are bad and commit crimes but baby killers and pweirdo’s are never tolerated in prison. I’d be terrified if I were her
Did someone say she’s heavily medicated or were we speculating. I don’t know if it’s a sign of guilt or innocence though tbh.
 
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Pretty much all of the babies should have survived. I know they were prem, but most prem babies now survive, even micro preemies. The care they have now in the uk is generally so advanced that most of these babies are surviving and usually they know if a child won’t make it… Obviously some don’t, but there was no way this level of deaths was normal.
Breaks my heart.....they all had such strength and fought so hard...💔💔💔
 
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