I haven’t watched any but there’s quite a few documentaries on YouTube about BA.
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It is a bit weird them still having photos of her.. I think I might have deleted too.. Unless I supported her.
I’m not reading too much into her colleagues still having old photos up on their Facebook accounts.
When I split with my ex, I deleted pretty much everything about him from my Instagram but didn’t bother doing anything with Facebook because it’s not really a commonly used social platform anymore in terms of updating my day to day life.
They probably have forgotten that they have posted photos with her. Especially any younger colleagues. I really don’t know anyone these days who uses Facebook as their main source of social media.
When I split with my ex, I deleted pretty much everything about him from my Instagram but didn’t bother doing anything with Facebook because it’s not really a commonly used social platform anymore in terms of updating my day to day life.
They probably have forgotten that they have posted photos with her. Especially any younger colleagues. I really don’t know anyone these days who uses Facebook as their main source of social media.
I went to the pub last night to watch my friends' band. There was another band on before them and Dr Jayram was the lead singer! I'm glad I was designated driver and sober otherwise God knows what kind of mad inappropriate questions I'd have started asking 
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.I think that might be a generational thing. I use FB mainly. I find it easier. My generation are possibly less addicted to their cameras, and insta, for me is more a photo sharing site I do have insta but use it rarely.
I think the lady with the photos may be my age ish... Many are weirdly technophobic and don't really 'manage' their profiles
I think the lady with the photos may be my age ish... Many are weirdly technophobic and don't really 'manage' their profiles
This is why it seems crazy to me that such big decisions are made by 12 random people! I don’t know what a better system would be tbh, but it just doesn’t seem like the best option in some ways.
It was stated that one of the senior nurses was her mentor on the ward when she was a student.
I don’t know what part a senior nurse would have, if any, in the recruitment process but she must have impressed someone to have a chance.
She was probably a good nurse, when she wanted to be, and was able to act the part and flatter the right people to get what she wanted. Maybe she had the advantage of not having to be sincere.
I don’t know what part a senior nurse would have, if any, in the recruitment process but she must have impressed someone to have a chance.
She was probably a good nurse, when she wanted to be, and was able to act the part and flatter the right people to get what she wanted. Maybe she had the advantage of not having to be sincere.
Exactly! If you’re not “managing” your profile, are you really going to remember to go back and delete a profile photo from a few years ago?
I don’t think it adds any weight to the prosecution or defence regarding who still has old photos of her up.
I was looking through old videos this morning of my little girl who was born extremely prem (26+2). And weighed a tiny 650grams (she’s nearly 7 now 
) And the fact that someone you trust, could do this (to anyone) but a teeny tiny baby makes me feel physically sick. My little girls hand was the size of my thumb nail. I’m still all for keeping an open mind, but right now I can’t see her as anything but an evil, sick oxygen thief.
) And the fact that someone you trust, could do this (to anyone) but a teeny tiny baby makes me feel physically sick. My little girls hand was the size of my thumb nail. I’m still all for keeping an open mind, but right now I can’t see her as anything but an evil, sick oxygen thief.
For those who can’t see the now tv doc on BA - it was quite eye opening for a few reasons; how she spoke, how she was innocent speaking until suddenly she broke sort of towards the end of the police interviews. She stole a key from ward and slipped up. But also she referred to a baby as ‘it’ like that was shocking and cold. They had professionals and experts listen to the tapes and then give their opinion as best they could. The thing is we know she did it because she’s in prison. Until the guilty verdict comes of LL people think oh she’s cute and normal no way she could do something like that. Point is we don’t know what goes on in a psychological mind. There’s a reason it’s her o the stand and not her colleagues etc. having worked in large units what I will say is when something tragic happens the team are sad and it’s hard to talk about. Mostly told not to discuss it until the internal review is done so I can imagine where LL was protocols will have been changed, staff will be told not to talk about it and now this is going on in court. How it’s not in the news more is insane. I just don’t get that. Like those tiny lives don’t matter to see what comes of the woman accused or even of the case.
I don’t think not deleting old pics is too weird, I meant the lady who changed her profile to a pic with Lucy and another colleague in 2017 so that was after the arrests. That to me makes me think she didn’t believe she had done it because who would change their profile pic to a photo with you and a potential baby killer.
Hi just wanted to jump in here and say I agree. We are all guilty of having a snoop on Facebook and clearly enjoy a bit of a gossip (considering we are all here on tattle discussing this)!
What makes is weird is that she was searching the parents' on significant days, like Xmas and anniversaries, potentially curious to see the impact the loss of their child had on them which goes beyond curiosity and into something more sinister IMO..
Prosecution might be theorising that she was checking up on them to see if they posted anything about their loss/grief to get a buzz from it. Lots of killers take keepsakes to remember their crimes and re-live it mentally to try and chase the high they got from committing the act. This is similar, maybe looking for evidence of the impact she made on their lives by taking their baby. It's really sick, but Beverly Allard famously befriended the parents of her victims for similar reasons.
Also consider that in interviews with Police she pretended she didn't remember one baby which she had been searching for (parents) on Facebook.
Ready to see more evidence and stand corrected but looking guilty to me for now after this week's evidence.
Yes I completely agree with your post. Some things you can look at as an isolated incident and it seems innocent but how many coincidences does it take before it becomes something more? I guess everyone’s opinion on that will be different but for me I think it’s just one too many. If she is innocent you can still see she is quite obsessive non the less like xmas day and anniversaries are a bit too far.
Would you still have the same opinion if you knew she was searching most families she looked after? (Not just those she is accused of) I still think it isn’t innocent due to it not exactly being a quick nose, she repeated it multiple times.
I can't get my head around her saying in interview she doesn't remember!!
I can't get my head around the searching on Xmas day and anniversaries and so soon after the deaths
The odd Facebook search/snoop is obviously open for debate ...but just can't understand why she didn't admit it when questioned...cos surely she would know she would be found out as a liar???
I'm shocked that the solicitor at the time didn't advise her to be honest and just admit it!! First interview, maybe could use rhe argument that she panicked and didn't want to admit it...but to lie multiple times I don't get, and again to me it's becoming part of the picture, whether she searched other families or not
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Interesting! I have just been asking myself this after seeing she searched parents of babies not involved in the trial.
I think I could possibly pass her off as a bit of a weirdo, or inappropriate for searching parents of patients generally, let alone the ones who passed away. But on Xmas day? The anniversaries of when they died? I wonder if any other nurses did this? Like it seems on another level. It's too much when you add it into the other facts being presented at the moment.
Also - earlier in the thread people were talking about what a murderer looks like. It's interesting because so many of them look 'normal'. Like Dhamer, Ted Bundy, Dennis Neilson for 3. Everyone commented on how normal/nice/friendly/non-discript they seemed, even not believing that they could be guilty of such horrible things. People can be convincing.
But aye the photos on FB...Imagine working with someones and going on staff nights out with them, it turns out they are accused of murdering babies?! It's unthinkable. She has damaged so many lives if guilty.
There are reporting restrictions to protect the babies and parents anonymity, among other things, at the moment.
Over reporting could be claimed as prejudicial to LL having a fair trial so would be another reason for restrictions.
I’ve just watched the BA documentary in the ‘Born to Kill?’ series on YouTube. The similarities are striking, not so much in the individual psychology but in other’s perceptions. BA’s nurse colleague, who hadn’t known her long, said they ‘couldn’t believe it’ and thought she was being ‘stitched up’. One of the victims parents even hired a Private Detective to investigate the police as they couldn’t believe BA was guilty.
Literally watching this right now and having the same thoughts. I thought BA was just always obviously nuts but really similar how people thought she was great and caring and couldn’t believe it.
lots of parallels
It did make me think maybe the reason for lots of cases in the summer vs the rest of the year could it just have been less opportunity when the unit was better staffed with LL.
I remember BA case so well
The consultants backed her, the parents... one family asking her to be godparent
None of her nursing colleagues suspected her.
Obviously it came out much later that she had been " strange" as a kid etc...but, in the role she was in, she was seen in the exact same way LL appears to be now..so goodness knows
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Was Lucy is prison during the pandemic? I can imagine she'd have been the type to properly soak up all that hero worship stuff
Not blaming people for this at all but in my experience there are many people out there who have no (or very little) critical thinking skills or natural instincts at all. I think of myself as a very ‘instinctual’ person, I sometimes get bad feelings about people who have done absolutely nothing wrong, and when I try and relay these feelings to other people, they don’t know what I’m talking about and say that the person is lovely, has done nothing wrong and I have no reason to not like them. The older I get the more I’ve learnt to rely on these instincts as they are almost always proven right.
Despite the amount of people who clearly never got a bad feeling about people like Beverly Allitt and Jeffrey Dahmer, I bet there’s a few people out there who knew there was something ‘off’ about them but didn’t feel confident enough to speak up.
You only have to look at Jimmy Saville. I know I have the power of hindsight but that man was so obviously a wrong’un but so many people clearly had no idea. But I was speaking to my dad about it and he said he’d always hated him and knew he was a perv even though he’d never even heard any of the rumours about him. He’d been gaslighted into thinking he was being ridiculous when talking to people who liked JS, something that’s happened to me so many times.
Again, not judging these people who take everybody at surface value, I actually envy them. All this rant to say that there very well could’ve been something ‘off’ about LL (if she is guilty), but people were just too blind to see it.
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