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Don't know if this is even relative to the subject butttt... I had my eldest nearly 10 yrs ago and the midwife really went above and beyond for us and I contacted her (via my old GP) a few years later to just let her know how we were doing and I hadn't forgotten her help. I got an email back from her directly saying how she remembers us so well even after all those years. Not sure what point I'm even trying to make???? I guess some cases stick with professionals??
they do definitely. My partner gets emails years upon years after he’s treated patients and they’re usually thanking him for the difference he made to their lives. He always remembers them when he’s prompted by their emails/names etc. A lady emailed him a few months ago and he operated on her 11 years ago… she just simply emailed him to thank him because she’s still pain free… he remembered her as soon as he read her email! I wonder if people would think that was a bit weird if it was taken out of context…
 
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Don't know if this is even relative to the subject butttt... I had my eldest nearly 10 yrs ago and the midwife really went above and beyond for us and I contacted her (via my old GP) a few years later to just let her know how we were doing and I hadn't forgotten her help. I got an email back from her directly saying how she remembers us so well even after all those years. Not sure what point I'm even trying to make???? I guess some cases stick with professionals??
I’ll be totally honest…. I often bump into patients in tesco and if they recognise me and stop for a chat, I’ll always pretend I remember them 🙊 It’s a real privilege being with someone on one of the biggest days of their life, I never want them to realise it’s just another day at the office for me. So yes, some patients do stick in the mind, but I can usually get through a 5 minute conversation without giving away I don’t remember them at all
 
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Don't know if this is even relative to the subject butttt... I had my eldest nearly 10 yrs ago and the midwife really went above and beyond for us and I contacted her (via my old GP) a few years later to just let her know how we were doing and I hadn't forgotten her help. I got an email back from her directly saying how she remembers us so well even after all those years. Not sure what point I'm even trying to make???? I guess some cases stick with professionals??
I think like anything it varies. I remember a lot of people I have cared for at work, albeit as time passes names and memories fade as they do with anything- some though i think of occasionally. Others I have worked with have said they don't remember much at all, probably a conscious decision and I don't think either is right or wrong. In any case I have never searched or reached out to a previous patient. I know plenty have searched people on social media, personally I find it uncomfortable but on its own nothing necessarily nefarious. I also sadly know of co workers who have reached out inappropriately to previous patients and it was thankfully dealt with swiftly. Due to the nature of the setting and the length of time some babies and therefore her families are there some do form closer bonds than in other environments; but still of course unacceptable to blur any boundaries.
 
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I agree...she shouldn't have been searching at all. But it is clearly something that lots of people do. Unethical, yes. Creepy, yep. Murderous, maybe not.
I can totally see why it could seem to be particularly ghoulish on Xmas day. On the other hand it's just another day and sometimes a very quiet day for people who don't have responsibilities at home with fewer distractions. I think it's a reach to say that the significance of the day adds greater weight to the charges.
This is where I’m at with it. I think it’s weird and creepy, I’m a nosey witch but never looked up a client and I find it awkward when one adds me, I like to completely separate work and personal life. She was clearly very involved in her work life. She might have been at work at Christmas or maybe Christmas is just a really quiet time for her and her family, not everyone has a big crazy Christmas Day with loads of people around them.
 
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Actually it’s not subjective, there’s statistical analysis exactly for this purpose. Say there are 10 possible nurses a baby could be assigned to, and some number of deaths per year, there’ll be a point where a certain number of deaths for 1 nurse will be so unlikely that you can say with 95%/99% confidence that it’s not random anymore. Here we have not only total deaths up by a huge amount, but all linked to her - if it was random or hospital negligence it would be distributed across various nurses. I think this number of deaths being linked to her must be statistically significant. I guess they’ll get experts in for this.
That's interesting. Thanks for your input.

I agree :'( I hardly believe she could have been practising for 5 years and been a model nurse and then this. I do personally believe she's guilty and think she's just suddenly gotten 'better' at her wicked ways. Or arguably, worse at not getting caught.
Pure speculation, but another poster mentioned that 'I killed them on purpose because I'm not good enough to care for them' could be referring to her frustration with the duties she was assigned at work. Basically, she was bitter about being given the boring work, thought staff didn't appreciate her, so did it on purpose out of spite. Don't know if I believe that at all, but it's a different perspective and would fit with the complaints about being bored.
 
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they do definitely. My partner gets emails years upon years after he’s treated patients and they’re usually thanking him for the difference he made to their lives. He always remembers them when he’s prompted by their emails/names etc. A lady emailed him a few months ago and he operated on her 11 years ago… she just simply emailed him to thank him because she’s still pain free… he remembered her as soon as he read her email! I wonder if people would think that was a bit weird if it was taken out of context…
No, because she contacted him.
 
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Does anyone know the structure of the trial? When does her defence start?
The prosecution will present their case first. The prosecution and defence will question each witness. Once the prosecution closes their case the defence can start theirs and call any witnesses they want, including putting LL on the stand if they wish.
Once the defence closes their case both prosecution and defence will present closing speeches. Then the judge will sum up all the evidence, give legal directions to the jury and then send them out to deliberate.
 
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Actually it’s not subjective, there’s statistical analysis exactly for this purpose. Say there are 10 possible nurses a baby could be assigned to, and some number of deaths per year, there’ll be a point where a certain number of deaths for 1 nurse will be so unlikely that you can say with 95%/99% confidence that it’s not random anymore. Here we have not only total deaths up by a huge amount, but all linked to her - if it was random or hospital negligence it would be distributed across various nurses. I think this number of deaths being linked to her must be statistically significant. I guess they’ll get experts in for this.
Thanks for this. Great explanation. I’m getting a bit fed-up with comments like ‘maybe she worked more hours’ etc. I’m not great with statistics but other people are and I’m sure this would be thoroughly worked out.
 
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and they’ve not all been murdered.
Yeh, then there’s this. Some things can be completely ‘innocent’ but weird when theyre not connected to multiple deaths. I do think we need to hear more about the FB searches eg was it only these families
to get a better perspective.
 
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I really hope no one ever sees my fb search history cos I often look up people I haven’t seen in 15 years and if I meet someone new I’ll try to find them 🤫🫠
 
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The prosecution will present their case first. The prosecution and defence will question each witness. Once the prosecution closes their case the defence can start theirs and call any witnesses they want, including putting LL on the stand if they wish.
Once the defence closes their case both prosecution and defence will present closing speeches. Then the judge will sum up all the evidence, give legal directions to the jury and then send them out to deliberate.
Will it go, prosecution presents child As case, then defence presents child As case or does it go all cases by prosecution first then all defence like in the opening statements?
 
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I’m not sure what people think LL psychiatric report is going to tell you. If there was anything in it which would suggest she was anything other than mentally stable at the time of the alleged murders then her defence would be diminished responsibility led & not just going down the “there’s no evidence” route
Not necessarily. Psych report might come back and describe say a history of a certain type of personality disorder, or a factitious disorder, or other non psychotic disorders, and she’s been found capacitous and fit to stand trial. That’s possible.
 
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I really hope no one ever sees my fb search history cos I often look up people I haven’t seen in 15 years and if I meet someone new I’ll try to find them 🤫🫠
That’s different I do that too lol but I respect my clients privacy because I expect the same back
 
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