It was in the news at the time
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Beverley allit was! Not LL
If a lawyer had to divulge that someone had admitted guilt to them then no one would do that unless they wanted to plead guilty. They would just lie to their lawyer.
Im my experience, our ward manager very rarely left her office and worked mon to Fri 9-5.
On the ward I worked on there were nursery nurses, who worked only on special care, with babies predominantly with feeding issues. So fed through their nose with the tube and bottle feeding 3-4 hourly.
There were band 5 (staff nurses) band 6 (sisters) and band 7 ANNP (advanced neonatal nurse practitioners) junior, registrars and consultants (all doctors)
People are coming and going all of the time. But the nurses are the staff who are there 24/7.
23% is astonishing, and presumably agency staff filled the rest (I never experienced any agency staff where I worked). But then you need to factor, was is it the same agency staff regularly etc like you mentioned.
You have responsibility as a healthcare professional whatever your band or grade, and like any other job you have people above you that you can go to with questions or concerns. The junior doctors and registrars, used to have 6 months and then they would change over and you would get a new set, they go to different settings before they chose a speciality, who often hadn’t worked even with children before, and in my experience at first would be guided by nurses as they are the people always there.
the constant staff in it all, providing they didn’t leave their jobs are consultants, ANNP, sisters, staff nurses and nursery nurses. Although consultants aren’t based on the ward and have their own office if that makes sense.
And at night there are consultants on call (at home) who can come in if needed, a senior doctor, ANNP and nurses. Worth pointing out that doctors often cover babies on the maternity wards so aren’t always there.
That is how I remember it, I may have missed some crucial details or things have changed now, it has been 10 plus years as I have said, just for transparency
Motive is handy when deciding if someone is guilty but it's not reliable. And as you say, sometimes there is no motive.
She's plead 'not guilty' so we're not getting anything from LL. So we can only infer a motive based on what prosecution tells us.
(Or she may be innocent, and therefore there is no motive!)
Where are you seeing these pics?
Being a witness wasn’t optional in my friends case. She had to turn up or she would be in contempt of court and, ultimately, could be remanded in custody.
I thought people could decline to be a witness, even in a criminal trial? Even LL isn't compelled to take the stand and I suspect she might not in this trial.
I’m sure I read somewhere it’s been confirmed already she won’t take the stand?
Quoting myself as I've just googled it and apparently you have no choice. As much as I hate to use this as my reference point, in most TV crime shows, they nearly always have witnesses refusing to take the stand and nearly causing the case to collapse before they miraculously persuade them to at the end. I know not real life, but always gave me the impression that you could just refuse
Nope you can be summond, attendance in compulsory. You can be a reluctant witness the prosecution/ defence can work around that with the questions they ask.
Lucy can decline as can expert witnesses
I had to have a medical termination at 24wks as my baby was incompatible with life and he was classed as a stillbirth when he was born
That’s what happened to my friend. She’d already given statements and the perpetrator was remanded in custody so maybe because it had progressed to that stage.
No, LL doesn’t have to take the stand but she is not a witness, she is the accused. Often defence barristers will advise their clients not to take the stand as they’re not going to do themselves any favours.
She’s not an expert witness she is the accused,
No I mean the expert witnesses can decline aswell, sorry poor wording. Typing while cooking
I’m so sorry you experienced this
because I had read up to when they found out she had a grievance
I was a NICU baby. My mum said the nurses and doctors were the most gracious, selfless and caring people she'd ever met. Over 30 years later and she still remembers my nurses and doctors names.Finding it hard to keep up with this thread. I have caught up with live feed though and will dip in and out of this. But can I just say and it’s probably been said. I hope this case doesn’t take away (I doubt it does) the fact that Nicu nurses are actual angels sent from heaven. And without the constant care from them for my little girl, she wouldn’t be here right now. They saved my baby’s life on several occasions, and were also there for me. I feel forever thankful
I think there has been some confusion somewhere. It's not Lucy who was godmother to someone. Beverley Allitt befriended the parents of one of the babies she murdered and ended up being godmother to that child's surviving twin.
These threads move so quickly. Took me ages to catch up but honestly I still think she didn’t do it.
A maternity clinical risk manager. All neonatal deaths / stillbirths / adverse outcomes in maternity are investigated internally, and hospitals have a clinical risk office to do it. To put it into context, my hospital delivers about 2500 babies a year (which is quite a small hospital) and has a risk office that has 3/4 staff (4 staff, but not all full time). Most of te review takes place from the clinical notes. The majority of internal investigations find that actually due procedures were followed. Sometimes they find things that can improve practice, or that someone needs more training, or there was a genuine error somewhere.
Sometimes if it is a significant event, it is referred for an exterior review by HSIB. They interview everyone involved, speak to parents and look into the notes. They then write a report about it and provide recommendations.
Apologies if someone has already answered this while it’s taken me so long to type out
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