AgreeLauren Davies has binned Rhys Davies several times before. I for one am not fully believing that these two will remain apart. This chancer can easily manipulate her and I wouldn’t bet against that happening again.
As for the other imbecile, it looks like Georgia Archer is remaining resolute in steering clear of him.
I’m sorry this is happening to your mum and absolutely fine to rant on here.Today my dad confronted my mum about Matt Hall and his "coaching" bollocks. It turns out she actually pays £600 a month for his BS zoom calls and talks! She's retired and only earns £1500 a month - £600 should not be spent on life coaching scams. Honestly not sure how to get her out of this as she still believes she's benefitting from this. She genuinely thinks that she's learning a lot and becoming a better person (she's almost two-sided as she acts completely different in the house to when she's in public with others). At the moment, she's unaware that I know she spends £600 a month on Matt Hall's shite, but I want to tell her that I know and help her as much as I can. I'd need as much evidence I can that she's being manipulated and controlled by these freaks. She's been led into this for the past 3 months as far as I know (as she's pretty far into this, it will be difficult to try and get her to stop), and doesn't plan on stopping anytime soon.
This Friday she's attending some keynote speech bollocks where Llewellyn and Rhys talk shite for a couple of hours, and she genuinely believes that they are millionaires. When I found out she's like this (spending hundreds of pounds on contrepreneurs), it completely changed my whole perspective of her. I'll try my hardest to get her out of this, but at the moment she's showing no signs of slowing down and is completely invested in paying these assholes money, as she thinks it's the best possible thing to do in life. Also, could somebody please explain how this whole operation works? As in, how do they actually manipulate women into paying so much money for coaching, and what connections do Llewellyn and Rhys actually have with Matt (I'm new to this forum and I genuinely have no idea what half of the messages on here are about).
As a side note, I'd like to add that Matt has recently told my mum to set up her own business where she tries to sell his bullshit 'philosophy' to teachers around England. She believes she will be a professional businesswoman and (in my opinion) she is entirely delusional.
Just wish she never got dragged into this life coaching business as it's completely changed her. I think when/if she finally does realise that she's being conned and has wasted thousands of pounds, it would probably upset her so much.
She's easily manipulated and (as I said in an earlier post) will listen to anything Matt Hall tells her (she has depression so I'm not sure if this makes her more vulnerable).
Anyway, sorry for the rant. Just felt like I had to share this.
Thank you so much for your response. You've helped me understand the whole pyramid scheme MLM shite (I'm only 16 years old so it's all still a bit confusing to me lol). Also, you asked how Matt hall contacted her and mentioned that he's in the Body Shop direct selling. My mum currently works for Body Shop at Home (which is basically a scam in itself) where she buys body shop stock and attempts to sell it. our house is currently full of this stock as most of it never sells and she isn't making a profit whatsoever. Also, my mother is quite old (60) which is possibly why she was so eager to sign up to Matt Hall's sessions. I know that she is using a separate bank account to make all the payments to Matt Hall.I’m sorry this is happening to your mum and absolutely fine to rant on here.
You may be right that your Mum’s depression makes her more vulnerable. This is why these scams are so vile. They prey on vulnerable people. She is better off spending the money on a decent therapist because at 600 quid a month she’d get so much more from it.
The way they reel people in is bit like an MLM (Multilevel Network Marketing) where apparently you sell product/service and make profit that way but in actual fact you need to recruit people to sell that product/service below you to make any money. Matt Hall is paying Llewelyn Davies stupid money to get “coached” by him. Llewelyn Davies’s coaching will be to hit on everyone he knows, any contact, friends of friend to recruit for this sort of arrangement. Coaching of others, selling them the dream of “own business”, “financial freedom” etc. As a result your mum is already thinking she will be coaching teachers (was she in the profession herself?) with the woo woo wisdom. Classic MO - I coach you, you pay me, you coach others to pay you. It’s a pyramid scheme. In the end, as per MLM stats 99% of people lose money/get into debt and leave feeling worthless and scammed.
I noted that Matt Hall has a big following or middle-aged older women. Also he’s in Body Shop direct selling which gives him access to already warm female audience. This is how he gets introduced. Looked at his podcast. Lots of comments are from women and they sound older to me but very into him. I get why. He’s got that clean nice boy next door look to him. Can bet you some good money someone vouched for Matt to your mum. A friend? That’s how it works.
Llewelyn Davies did this with an influencer called Sarah Akwisombe who had a fairly successful online school. He mentored her for 12k (!) then she introduced to her trusting female audience (sounds familiar?), started selling courses together. They booked 1 million pounds in business then it all collapsed as he was found having an affair with Akwisombe and to have been a fraud ie. all the lies about him being a millionaire anf in fact all the lies he told were found out by people and customers. Refunds had to be given (loads still outstanding), it destroyed Akwisombe’s established business. Before that happens tens of women encouraged by akwisombe’s endorsement paid Llewelyn Davies and Rhys Davies literal thousands of pounds. Coaching was shit, they were clueless about business,inappropriate with women - when they complained they were intimidated and blocked. In some cases police and lawyers were involved. Llewelyn Davies is doing the same now with Matt Hall because he’s got female audiences that trusts him. Your mum would have been pressured to sigh up too. Like properly pressured using the stuff she told them about herself as lever. It’s really abusive.
Therefore my concern here is escalation with your mum. 600 quid is basically more than a third of her salary but it can get A LOT worse. People paid Rhys and Llewelyn Davies anything from £3k to £50k for useless scammy coaching. Your dad needs to ensure any shared cash or investments is monitored.
I know it’s annoying to see your mum like that but consider it’s like two blokes robbing a woman who’s got a broken leg and can’t fight them off. Depression may be invisible but your mum is vulnerable and those two know it so they exploit it.
I gave you lot of info in the first post when I replied to you. Go through the links and see how you can get some of this across to your mum.
Llewelyn doesn’t own his mansion. It’s owned by an Essex businessman called Colin Pharaoh. He’s been renting it since 2018
His Bentley is 15 years old.
the watches - some are fake from Dubai street market.
99% of his 30k followers are bought bots. He had to lock down his profile to avoid people coming after him for refunds and following the scandal with Sarah akwisombe which was covered by the papers.
the list of companies they run is in this thread
Llewelyn Davies / Rhys Davies &TTT official
Following on from the Sarah Akwisombe thread I thought it was time these losers got their own thread . They are starting to put out the feelers to see who else they can try rip off . A brief summary These dodgy characters are involved in MLM style motivational coaching , they host events and...tattle.life
Go to Companies house and search for names then filed accounts for each of the companies. You’ll see that the money in those companies is literally nothing in comparison with what they claim. And the reason they have so many is probably so they can launder the cash they ripped off people.
Hope this helps.
I suggest you go to page one of this topic (link on first page) and you will see c50 pages dedicated to uncovering the lies of these charlatans. You should have enough proof for your mum that these guys are liars.Today my dad confronted my mum about Matt Hall and his "coaching" bollocks. It turns out she actually pays £600 a month for his BS zoom calls and talks! She's retired and only earns £1500 a month - £600 should not be spent on life coaching scams. Honestly not sure how to get her out of this as she still believes she's benefitting from this. She genuinely thinks that she's learning a lot and becoming a better person (she's almost two-sided as she acts completely different in the house to when she's in public with others). At the moment, she's unaware that I know she spends £600 a month on Matt Hall's shite, but I want to tell her that I know and help her as much as I can. I'd need as much evidence I can that she's being manipulated and controlled by these freaks. She's been led into this for the past 3 months as far as I know (as she's pretty far into this, it will be difficult to try and get her to stop), and doesn't plan on stopping anytime soon.
This Friday she's attending some keynote speech bollocks where Llewellyn and Rhys talk shite for a couple of hours, and she genuinely believes that they are millionaires. When I found out she's like this (spending hundreds of pounds on contrepreneurs), it completely changed my whole perspective of her. I'll try my hardest to get her out of this, but at the moment she's showing no signs of slowing down and is completely invested in paying these assholes money, as she thinks it's the best possible thing to do in life. Also, could somebody please explain how this whole operation works? As in, how do they actually manipulate women into paying so much money for coaching, and what connections do Llewellyn and Rhys actually have with Matt (I'm new to this forum and I genuinely have no idea what half of the messages on here are about).
As a side note, I'd like to add that Matt has recently told my mum to set up her own business where she tries to sell his bullshit 'philosophy' to teachers around England. She believes she will be a professional businesswoman and (in my opinion) she is entirely delusional.
Just wish she never got dragged into this life coaching business as it's completely changed her. I think when/if she finally does realise that she's being conned and has wasted thousands of pounds, it would probably upset her so much.
She's easily manipulated and (as I said in an earlier post) will listen to anything Matt Hall tells her (she has depression so I'm not sure if this makes her more vulnerable).
Anyway, sorry for the rant. Just felt like I had to share this.
You’ve done so well coming here. You’re clever and resourceful to have found these threads and get some info on what’s happening.Thank you so much for your response. You've helped me understand the whole pyramid scheme MLM shite (I'm only 16 years old so it's all still a bit confusing to me lol). Also, you asked how Matt hall contacted her and mentioned that he's in the Body Shop direct selling. My mum currently works for Body Shop at Home (which is basically a scam in itself) where she buys body shop stock and attempts to sell it. our house is currently full of this stock as most of it never sells and she isn't making a profit whatsoever. Also, my mother is quite old (60) which is possibly why she was so eager to sign up to Matt Hall's sessions. I know that she is using a separate bank account to make all the payments to Matt Hall.
Also, like I said earlier she believes she is/and will become a successful businesswoman - to say she's delusional sounds harsh from me, but if you knew her then you'd 100% agree. Thanks for all the information you've sent in this post and the previous one. I appreciate your help a lot. I just can't get my head around how she believes Llewellyn and Rhys are both 7 figure earners. Their Champions of Mind yt channel only has 500 subscribers lol.
As you said, they use manipulation techniques so it's like a coercive/controlling relationship where she feels forced and pressured into paying money upfront.
Anyway thanks for your help and advice. I'll update you with what happens.
Thanks a lot. I found this thread by searching something like 'Matt hall coaching scam' on google and the tattle life threads were in the first few search rankings. I've heard about the TTT (terrible twins) business on yt and ur right - they only have 163 subscribers! I found another yt channel by them called TheTerribleTwins official with the last upload from over 5 years ago and 13k subscribers (most are probably bots).You’ve done so well coming here. You’re clever and resourceful to have found these threads and get some info on what’s happening.
I believe you re your Mum, I really do. Your Mum isn’t as internet literate as you are by the way so she doesn’t get all the nuances you pick up in a second like how come they have 600 hundred subscribers if they are so successful, right? Btw - they’ve ditched it. Niw they are doing some other channel called TTTStyle. Don’t even have 100 subscribers there ffs. They are frauds. Btw - “they” are Rhys and Llewelyn Davies- they are twin brothers. Matt Hall is in their “executive circle” so basically being groomed to groom others like your mum.
If she’s already in Body Shop MLM (and the story of stock clogging the house while apparently riches are around the corner is a common story) then no wonder she fell prey to those two. Someone on these threads said few weeks ago that Llewelyn was targeting Matt Hall’s Bodyshop downline and bingo - it’s happening. It is upsetting and frustrating but this “coaching” industry is really wild and needs regulation.
Think of people your family circle that could also support you. Your Dad needs to be made aware of evidence once you find it. Does your mum have any friends you could talk to that she’d listen to?
This is really tough. Shout if you need any more help. Stories like this are actually why these threads exists.
Report your own posts (click on report on the bottom of the post) to admin with a comment why you want them deleted.is it possible for a mod to delete all my posts. don't want my mum to be identified by ld and rd as i didn't know they read this forum.
Alright, thank you.Report your own posts (click on report on the bottom of the post) to admin with a comment why you want them deleted.
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