Selling a story 2 week after the death of a baby
This was the same for me when my son was born 8 weeks prem. It was excruciating lying in a bed on the ward with 3 other beds with women with their newborns whilst mine was struggling to live in the neo natal ward. The 'girl' opposite was off her head most of the time. She had a black eye and the nurses said her baby had a drug dependency due to her taking drugs whilst pregnant. He cried non stop and she was asleep a lot, ignorant of her crying baby.I often think of ladies in this position. I was a child when I had my first, he was quite premature. He was on the neonatal unit and I was with all the women who had their babies with them. It broke my heart because I didnt know if I would be going home with my baby. I know the nhs is pushed but they really should have totally separate wards. Maybe now they do. It was along time ago for me.
so so sorry for your loss xxxxI had a stillborn baby boy at 24 weeks followed by a healthy girl and then when my waters broke with my second son a month early I called the hospital and they told me to come in straight away just in case. Good job I did, I had him two hours later. Just to round off my pregnancy journey I then had a very traumatic ectopic pregnancy which ended my hopes of a big family. We then lost our teenage son in a RTC four and half years ago which eclipsed everything we’d ever been through. You never get over losing a child/baby, sometimes we forget how precious life is until it’s gone or in danger..
You've beaten me to it. Firstly no parents should have to go through this and my sympathies are with them both.A lot to unpick in the article, and as usual contradictory statements. This is what I’ve gleamed from it:
• Lauren wanted a home birth with the midwife that delivered her first child;
• We are unsure if this midwife is a private one or NHS;
• The Naked Doula (Emma) was not mentioned and neither was the birthing pool in the context of being used at any time;
• The article states she called the hospital when her waters broke on 6th July (not her midwife) who advised her to stay at home under midwife supervision because of risk of infection;
• Her midwife visited on 6th took both their vitals which were fine. Lauren was not worried as she felt her birth with Larose was “textbook”;
• She stayed at home on 7th July, her waters broke again which she said might indicate the baby becoming more engaged and therefore the cord compromised but “there was no distress and she had a strong heartbeat”. It is not clear who came to this conclusion or how - Lauren or midwife monitoring and how they were monitoring;
• On 8th July Lauren breastfeeds Larose and this brings on contractions. Tamzin (midwife) comes over and cannot “feel her heartbeat” so calls an ambulance;
• Lauren is taken by ambulance to the hospital where she gives birth in a private room;
• She says she is told Lorena had a low heart rate and was attended to by 10 doctors. She also says she thought they’d found a heartbeat but they hadn’t;
• The hospital’s statement reads: “Lauren was brought to our hospital in an ambulance after her midwife was unable to detect a heartbeat during a home birth, and despite the best efforts of our staff, sadly we were unable to resuscitate Lorena.”
• So Lorena was not born alive and Lauren is having an autopsy to understand why. So at the moment she doesn’t know that Lorena was a “healthy baby” as there may be some underlying condition that was not spotted or could not be known, or her death may have been caused by complications of a prolonged labour not spent under constant medical supervision.
It’s obvious that certain parts of the account are confused probably because of the state that Lauren would have been in at the time - for example thinking there was a heartbeat but there wasn’t, the 10 doctors working on Lorena (seems a bit high to me). I think The Sun don’t help with the way it’s written either.
As others have said, the idea that the hospital would have allowed her to go 2 days after her waters initially broke without asking her to come in, particularly at 40+ weeks seems strange to me. She wasn’t under constant supervision by a medical professional if Tamzin was her only support so I’m unsure how the regular monitoring could have been done.
I wonder if the answers given by the autopsy will give her the peace of mind she craves.
Thats what i dont get, 2 knots is virtually impossibleShe mentioned two knots in the cord, sounds like "true knots" .
My son was born by planned section as he was breech, however the surgeon said afterwards it was very lucky I'd had a section as there was a knot in the cord, had I laboured each contraction would have made that knot tighter and restricted oxygen to my son.
Had I laboured it would have hopefully been picked up through close monitoring but would have led to an emergency section.
It's a rare occurrence, I think about 1 in 2000 pregnancies, basically at some point the cord has been in a loop and baby has swum through it. It's also extremely difficult to identify on scans etc so not picked up pre birth.
They don’t. I had a preemie boy who went to SCBU in feb this year and ordinarily they put you on the postnatal ward with all the mums and their babies. It’s barbaric and inexcusableI often think of ladies in this position. I was a child when I had my first, he was quite premature. He was on the neonatal unit and I was with all the women who had their babies with them. It broke my heart because I didnt know if I would be going home with my baby. I know the nhs is pushed but they really should have totally separate wards. Maybe now they do. It was along time ago for me.
My theory is that the naked doula was involved… and maybe Lauren now knows because she listened to her advice and not the medically trained professionals it may have been the wrong thing to do and possibly a factor in the untimely death of Lorena.Interesting how the Naked Doula doesn’t get a single mention from Lauren.
Yeah, this would be my thinking too. Some of the phrasing in the hospitals response makes me think this too. How terribly sad.My theory is that the naked doula was involved… and maybe Lauren now knows because she listened to her advice and not the medically trained professionals it was the wrong thing to do. BYG would never want the world to know that this tragedy could have been avoided.
Reading how she bathed her, dressed her, sang to her is so sad.Yeah, this would be my thinking too. Some of the phrasing in the hospitals response makes me think this too. How terribly sad.
yup. This.My theory is that the naked doula was involved… and maybe Lauren now knows because she listened to her advice and not the medically trained professionals it may have been the wrong thing to do and possibly a factor in the untimely death of Lorena.
BYG would never want the world to know that this tragedy could have possibly been avoided if this is the case.
Even if she conceived when Larose was 8 weeks and found out 2 weeks after that, that would mean she was due when Larose was 46 weeks old. Making her 4 weeks overdue by the 8th of July. I think actually what was the case is her LMP was when Larose was 8 weeks old. Conceived when she was 10 weeks and found out around 12 weeks. Making her 2 weeks over due. Her line for the papers was “fell pregnant when she was 8 weeks” so a slight twist for added shock I imagine.2
Thats what i dont get, 2 knots is virtually impossible
I dont get the lying about her due dates either, she said she found out she was pregnant when Larose was 8 weeks old so she was at least 2 weeks overdue yet she is now saying she was 40 weeks pregnant?? Is that because its not perfect in her head if you go past 40 weeks? I cant get my head around it
I believe so too. This is Lauren - she has that attitude that she knows best.yup. This.
the article is so full of obvious exaggerations and the fact she plastered floppy fanny all over social media then completely omits her involvement from history- they only appear in a tagged post together from late may. I hate to say it but I personally believe she shuns actual medical advice and involvement.
I am 37 +4 days andFrom what I made of the story it seems like she stayed home contracting and breastfeeding Larose, and when the midwife came over on the 3rd day to check, couldn’t find a heartbeat and then she was whisked off in an ambulance. Two knots in the cord.
oh it’s all just so sad. I’m 13 weeks pregnant and just cannot imagine the pain x
Maybe she refused the checks, i follow the naked doula who i believe is Laurens birth advocate and she talks about refusing checks a lot. I am 37 weeks pregnant and a lot of the doulas, birth advocates talk about refusal to be inducted, monitored, home birth is better ect. Its all so sad and seems like it could have been preventedIf Lauren's waters broke on July 6 surely Tasmin would have been keeping an eye on Lauren to see how dilated she was especially the next day when she came to visit her again because if Lauren wasn't dilating enough it surely would have raised concern with Tasmin because according to the NHS website in a 2nd pregnancy the time from the start of established labour to being fully dilated is around 5 hours.
I wondered if that was a subtle reference to the Wright family…they would never publicly show support or sympathy but I wondered if she heard from any of them privately and they were the ones she was referring to in that sentence?Just annoys me about how she had to slip in about people in the public eye who wouldn't say hello to her in the street messaged her.
I agree about the sun and that conehead manager (who if you watch their recent story’s we are not allowed to call them a he)I think she’s in denial. The sun and mole man are arseholes for doin this. Taking advantage of a bereft mother. Lauren will go back to being a knob im
Sure but it’ll be worse she’ll likely have PTSD etc and I think we may see a spiral downwards 🫣
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