Kate - its_not_kates_time

[somanyteeth]

She's still full of shit. That letter looks extremely pasted together in parts and seriously it is extremely unlikely that many brain tumours would just disappear that quickly especially without proper medical treatment. She went too hard and fast with her lies, she should have at least fabricated something a bit more believable.

Also hows the spelling errors and the double address. To whom it may concern and to sir/madame.
Usually it would be the Dr's PA who writes this after the dr dictates it and I can tell you now a PA would never ever make these mistakes as all hospitals have templates that they use.

 

[EveryDaysASoulDay]

This is an interesting comment thread on one of her posts, given the concerns discussed.

The clinic has clearly just taken credit for the work of the drugs and she has sadly spent a small fortune/influenced others into bogus treatments for nothing. Hard to understand how the H4C scammers can sleep at night taking that kind of money from seriously ill people.

“This page reads like a story” Kate says. It sure does. An intentionally opaque one.

 

[somanyteeth]

Wow she is so full of shit. A radiologist will never give you your results on the spot, it's against protocol. She has just outed herself as the biggest scammer by saying that, then they go to her doctor friend in London . And while not completely impossible, it's very rare to be NED so quickly with that much cancer all through your body.

Yes exactly and thats why the letter from James Fletcher is interesting. Saying this is her medical history. Not her current diagnosis.
We dont know anything about her mets/tumours this time. There is nothing official aside from what she says and you're right. I havent lived in Aus for a few years now but a radiographer takes the images and they get sent to a radiologist. Ive had a few MRIs in my time and i think the soonest I got my results was 3 days (and they missed a tear) so they went back. There is no way a radiologist sat in the room looking at the scan as she was in the machine. None.

Does anyone else feel like maybe she will lie low for a bit now? I could be wrong, but she's had way more attention/questions asked this time around and clearly that's made her uncomfortable. Initially she was talking about wanting to be NED by the end of the year and then last week she started mentioning how 'the end of next week' would be so much better. And now, very conveniently, she's NED!

She can either double down on the H4C claims, in the knowledge that people are asking difficult questions and that's probably not going to stop (also, she'll have to keep up with all the bullshit 'treatments' and sticking stuff up her bum to make it look like she's still following their 'protocol'). Or she can say that she just wants to move on from this experience/she's traumatised and needs to heal, blah blah (basically, take the money and run).

I'm curious to see what she does next. Although, if she has not had her results analysed and explained to her by an actual oncologist familiar with her history, and she's really just relying on her quack doctor and a radiologist report, then anything she says about the results is nonsense anyway.

I reckon she's shutting up shop on this business quick smart. I think Pablo and a tattle thread have made her shit her dacks. She cant lie anymore now.

Also, no way NED from having brain mets. Not a chance. Medical marvel that needs to be studied.

 

[WellAndWealthyBossBabe]

Ok I watched the videos of the radiologist talking to her. None of this is ethical. I bet she's doing this as an influencer role. Not paying a cent to have her scans read and that radiologist, obviously very good at his job, knows what he's looking at but very cocky to be saying this shit without looking completely.
Also, if I saw necrotic tissue in my brain (not scar tissue, Kate) and it was a white mass, id go for a PET scan to see at a cellular level what is happening.
But that mention of necrosis has now got me seriously thinking she's secretly had radiation on the brain mets.
Ive work in oncology since 2010. I have seen all sorts of results, relapses, "miracles", but NONE have ever been this high in bullshittery. She's lying. I dont know about what, but about something. Her story does not add up.

Also, does anyone know about ethics in Aus about medical working with influencer for free/advertising?

Radiologists are bound by a Code of Professional Conduct under the Australian Health Practitioner Regulation Agency (AHPRA) where there are set standards about behaviour online as well as advertising.

 

[AnnaBanana85]

On her stories the guy reporting the scan says “that just looks like necrotic material” in the brain where the met once was. Sorry but I’d be following that up with a PET scan.
I cannot believe a registered clinician would walk a patient through their scan results at first glance, that is dangerous practice. Kate filming and tagging them suggests they see the value in doing that…more bookings…more

 

[influenzaaar]

DEAD

they went to H4C on Kate’s recommendation spent a bucket of money they didn’t really have.

now 3 months later he’s gone.

don’t know them well but can’t help be saddened that kids have lost their dad, a wife has lost her husband and they lost all their financial security because they believed that they’d have a miracle like Kate did.

This is FOUL and of all the influencers scammy bulls hit I see, this takes the cake. The likes of belle Gibson type health frauds who mislead vulnerable people need to be hauled over the coals. It’s disgusting

 

[Justbeige]

I think it’s clear that she has/had cancer. I’m not in the business of judging anyone’s cancer journey and the utter desperation that would bring.

What I find frustrating is the constant glorifying of the H4C clinic as the thing that has saved her. It actually seems pretty clear that is the targeted therapy drug, Alectinib that has saved her. Twice now. A scientifically developed and proved drug prescribed to her by doctors right here in Australia.

Yet, as others have mentioned she rarely mentions this drug at all. And when she does, its as an aside. ‘Oh yes by the way I’m also taking this drug’.

I found and listened to this podcast ep. It was pretty interesting. Again, in the entire 45 min interview she mentions the drug 2, maybe 3 times merely as an aside. The entire rest of the interview is spruiking the H4C clinic and alternative treatments, such as dog deworming drugs.

She also said that she sees herself as ‘different’ and ‘unique’ from other ‘standard’ cancer patients. And about how many ppl approach her every week for advice about their cancer treatment.

So so concerning that someone with so much influence and reach is essentially creating a narrative that people need to spend tens of thousands of dollars to go to a foreign clinic that provides bogus treatments. When in fact it is the drugs, and the doctors in her own backyard that have saved her - and will save many others too as long as they follow proper medical advice, and not the narrative Kate has sadly created.

I honestly think she's lied and is still lying for financial gain. Maybe she has/ had a type of cancer but I now don't believe it's the type/s or the severity that she describes. I believed her because even though Bell and Amanda taught me to question these things, I can't fathom how someone could actually do it. I donated to Kate and wished her well along the way, looking at it all now I believe I was conned along with thousands of others. I see it differently now, although I am 100% science and western medicine all the way and despise the anti vax non logic, I utterly despised and questioned the Mexican 'specialist' bullshit she was selling I fell for her sob story. I 100% guarantee all of you she has been exposed by Pablo and things are going to come to light in a very public way.

 

[GeorgieBox]

We have to be living in a parallel universe. She cannot be telling a dying woman to add things she knows nothing about to her "protocol". What a piece of shit.

Unbelievable… I would’ve half understood it if she meant for pain management or as distraction but this twat legitimately thinks it’ll cure terminal cancer!
Kate, Alectinib is keeping you alive. Stage 4 cancer is not curable. You may live a long time but it is not curable.

 

[leaky_beaky]

So she claimed her Super as early access due to being terminal, they just don't hand that out easily. I know my ex husband had brain cancer and the amount of paperwork and reports he needed to gain early access was incredible. So that's a bit Suss ! Surely they will find out. And when does a radiology centre hand out results like that to the patient in their rooms. ?? and then congratulate them on instagram. And why ffs are the results going to her Dr in the UK ?? she has a treating physician here in Aus !! and how the fuck do you in a few months cure brain cancer (10 tumours) liver and all the other areas with nasal prongs, arse enemas, blue tongue mixtures and all the other snake oils.. come on.. are people this fucking gullible. I'm calling bullshit on everything. Annndddd her Dr friend in the UK hasn't listed H4C as one of her affiliations.

 

[suzeq]

So glad this thread was linked in the general cancer thread to bring us all together. I've read this entire thread now to bring me up to speed from the beginning of Tattlers' thoughts on her. So agree with everything.

What I can't figure out is why she didn't just save herself the costs of the H4C Mexico treatment regimen if she was only going to go home and set herself up with similar alternative therapies there. Surely, there were easier ways to access and sneak the sunivera back into Australia if that was the driver for her. She travels for her business, so it couldn't have been that difficult to access it from another locale if she wanted. All that money spent there plus time away from her daughter. Since she'd already been there, is best friends with a doctor promoting it, you'd think she'd have been better served staying home and doing it all from there.

It does not seem like the wisest course of action, even if I thought there was any veracity or promise to her approach, which I don't.

I am always so struck by how seemingly bright, educated individuals fall for this crap and spout it to others. In this internet age, it does not take more than a few keystrokes to highlight the questionable practices and downright risks and red flags.

I understand people have a strong will to live and are desperate for hope. But dammit, why must one suspend all discernment and critical thinking abilities? Why not just look into local holistic and alternative avenues, or vet your ideas through reputable sources first. It does not take a medical degree to quickly learn how to evaluate medical claims.

Where are her friends and trusted advisors?

Seriously, she's just gone too far. She's a snakeoil salesman's dream customer. It makes me so enraged to see people taking advantage of the ill and vulnerable. This is why Tattle is so vital, to shed light on this. She should know better. And if it worked, she would not have needed to return to H4C a second time or essentially duplicate all the alternatives at home after leaving.

 

[leaky_beaky]

There will be men and women out there that take that woman's word as gospel. Thats the terrifying thing about it, who's to say she could have lived longer with western medicine, maybe more than 2-3 yrs, she will never know now. There is nothing wrong with seeking some holistic therapy but combine it with western medicine. I have MS and just done my 3rd course of a chemo-based treatment; I have 1 round to go. It is horrible, but if it helps a little it's better than nothing. I have a friend that told me that the Covid vaxs gave me MS. Mind you I had it 2 yrs. prior to Covid. And she's telling me to go to the H4C clinic because they cure cancers and will cure my MS and I will be able to walk and stand up again. She has stopped talking to me cause I'm taking the easy way out with western medicines. there are some special people out there.

 

[Coconutclub]

I've always taken the position that Kate's cancer was real, but that she had a very good response to the targeted immune drug (Alectinib) she was put on at the time of the original diagnosis (and which is the drug she says she is also taking now). I know from other cancer patients that immune therapy can significantly extend life. Emily Hayward – who was an amazing young woman who never once fundraised for herself – lived several years longer than expected due to ipilimumab and then pembrolizumab. So I never doubted that Kate's cancer was real, but now I don't know what to think as there are just so many inconsistencies.

The scan results will be interesting, depending on what she chooses to share. If she gets bad results, I don't see how she can possibly admit that and still maintain that H4C was a success. I hope that, if she really is taking Alectinib again, it's working for her and that she's at least stable with no progression (as obviously I do not want anyone to die, especially a single mother of a young child). I haven't looked into this Dr James Fletcher person at all so I don't want to say anything negative about him, but I think it's worth noting that she went to him on the recommendation of her doctor friend Olivia Lesslar (another quack affiliated with H4C) as apparently he was 'open-minded' about Mexico.

Also, if Kate is having her latest scans at her usual place, which I understand is Mermaid Beach Radiology, then it's not exactly clear what kind of scans she's going to be having. She goes to this place because they offer some kind of 'low radiation' scan, but would that show truly accurate results? I would have thought that she would need a proper MRI and/or PET scan at an actual hospital to have a really accurate picture of her current status. I will be shocked if she posts anything other than hugely positive results with lots of nonsense about how H4C has again 'cured' her and that she's either NED or close to it. If she's telling the truth about her situation then she's too deeply in denial to accept any other outcome.

Agree with this, I've always taken the same position and completely agree about Emily. I think she has cancer - I think she is healthy otherwise and young so she can respond well to treatment and I think the Alectinib is doing what it does for many patients. It is keeping her alive. Everything else is a farce, potentially its helping her feel in control, but the '2nd diagnosis' is just evidence to me that it never left and the cancer is just doing what it always would have done.

I unfortunately have had a lot of experience of cancer and have also been a cancer patient. What I think confuses people who don't have that experience is how people look. It is very normal to look very healthy and have cancer. One of the reasons the disease is so deadly is that it isn't easy to spot, you have to rely on finding it by identifying some very vague symptoms if its not found via screening. Most people have an image of what a cancer patient looks like - and its either someone that has had chemo, particularly if they lose their hair or is at the end of their life. I think in this Instagram age, it can be confusing to people that people with cancer can look so healthy. I myself never looked better than when I had cancer - but hadn't yet had chemo. I had lost weight - which gives people the perception of health, I changed my diet so my skin looked very clear and hair looked good and I was getting a lot of rest - I stopped work, I was able to not have so much reponsibility during treatment - but these things don't show what is going on inside and have no correlation to the disease being there or not. Jessie Lee ward is an example of someone who looked amazing - much healthier than when she didn't have cancer if you compare photos, but if you watched her lives particularly towards the end (and I see this a little in Kate) she was slowing her speech, losing track of what she was saying, leaning on things to prop herself up - she was tired and I think in a not so obvious way the cancer had taken its toll.

 

[somanyteeth]

On her stories the guy reporting the scan says “that just looks like necrotic material” in the brain where the met once was. Sorry but I’d be following that up with a PET scan.
I cannot believe a registered clinician would walk a patient through their scan results at first glance, that is dangerous practice. Kate filming and tagging them suggests they see the value in doing that…more bookings…more

Necrotic material??? So she had radiation on the brain mets??? Which would be more consistent with her results. Or she has blocked blood vessels.
So she's lied about something else.
Also "looks like" and "is" are two very different things.
I havent been to an ASCO conference in 9 years but even back then it was discussed if a patient was found NED on CT for lung cancer, a PET should be done at the same site with the same machine to confirm. However a PET not required during treatment.
But in terms of scientific evidence, her mediums dont match therefore to me, simply bullshit. All of it.

 

[somanyteeth]

She’s also so damn passive aggressive in her responses to anyone who questions her or offers constructive suggestions…

Ive said it before here I think, but the burden of proof is on the person making the claim. You cant tell someone to go to pubmed and read an article. Thats not how science works. If someone is claiming some miracle cure, the burden of proof is on you to prove how it works. This is why we have papers and conferences and Key Opinion Leaders in our fields.
A person querying her claims maybe doesnt know how to read a paper. I have written maybe 100 papers in my time as a scientist and still reading others papers and posters can be tricky by just skimming it. You cannot expect someone to read an abstract either, thats not enough to understand the results.
She's such an arrogant, passive aggressive piece of shit.
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Agree. Whenever I see one of her videos, her skin colour always strikes me as off, and she looked very jaundiced in the mexico ones. She definitely doesn't look healthy to me - especially for someone doing so many supposedly 'healthy' protocols.

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I'm not white-knighting her - but I do think she's actually sick. I think the grift is in the story she tells around how sick she was initially (to get sympathy for funds for Mexico, plus it benefitted her lifestyle) and how she overstates the effects of the woowoo medicine rather than admitting that it's the alectinib that's keeping her alive. It's obvious she absolutely hates mainstream medicine but is far too arrogant to admit how much she needs it.

Or something like that.

Its probably the tumeric/curcumin. It can halt melanin production (Limited evidence on this. A lot comes from women of south asian descent who use it to lighten darkened underarm skin).
But i do think she lives in a solarium. She never has tan lines and is brown as hell. For a native of the UK this is not normal.

 

[Emilyemily99]

At this point even her initial diagnosis seems unlikely to me. Stage 4 terminal lung cancer that had metastasized to her brain, liver, shoulders, spine, ribs, hips, etc. by the time it was diagnosed and she has somehow managed to live 5 years? She has offered no proof of anything - not her initial diagnosis nor the NED, when it would be very easy to do so. So she has shown a box of Alectinib occasionally - she could have gotten that from her scammy doctor friend. I’m finding it very hard to believe anything she says.

This is it.
When my Mama got her Stage 4 diagnosis - which had metastasized, Doctors - real ones - oncologists - refused to give her a prognosis or timeframe. Even as she entered palliative care, we were not given insight into ‘how long’ she had left. They told us it’s something people get wrong about terminal illness because of medical dramas. We were encouraged to look into averages for her condition, but not to take any definitive timeframe to heart.

The median for Stage 4 lung cancer is 4 MONTHS. Kate is not being 100% truthful about her diagnosis and that’s for sure. I don’t doubt she’s unwell, but she’s lying by omission and it’s not just dangerous, it’s a slap in the face to the many of us who have lost loved ones quickly and mercilessly to cancer.

 

[Elpis]

That's a good point! They slip in comments about big pharma and corporate medicine, as though there's a conspiracy against cheaper homeopathic "cures" because if everyone knew that curing cancer was so so simple and cheap - coffee enemas, vitamin c iv's, veg smoothies, dog worming medicine, Rick Simpson oil, etc., - if the world knew, all those businessmen and fancy shmancy doctors would lose their trillion-dollar profits.

So we're supposed to believe that all of modern medicine works together to torture people, kill them even, with their toxic treatments, when simple, cheap, "healthy" choices would do the trick. And if so, why does H4C charged $20k a week or whatever it is? Just send a stupid list of these things to people for $50 or something. Kate is doing it all at home now anyway!

Oh and then some of them slip in the real medicine on the side, but act like it's the magic H4C shit that's saving them!

 

[Sunshineandfreestuff]

Im sorry to hear that

And that is truly what makes this so much worse, she is endangering other peoples lives. She probably thinks "well they'll die anyway" unlike her and her super and her life insurance and her gofundme, people will remortgage their homes to go to this quack clinic and when they pass away they will leave their kids/partners/loved ones with gaping debts.
She's a cunt.

Thank you It makes me sad as I will for a second question “what if my Mum tried this, would she be here” and I know she wouldn’t, because I know this woman is sprouting lies and damaging people. But in that split second we all feel hope.

 

[EveryDaysASoulDay]

This woman is a malignant narcissist, is addicted to attention and will do anything to get it.
Showing up looking like fucking The Great Gazoo with her martian helmet on and her nasal cannula.
I’m surprised she didn’t have the blue mouth today, for full effect. Every day she shows up hooked up to some new batshit apparatus looking like an absolute CLOWN.

 

[Lovely]

It's very odd to me that she's shown everything involving H4C and Mermaid Beach Radiology, but hasn't said a word about the meeting with the oncologist. Which makes me think that he has either given her bad news or is just of the view that any improvement or stability is a result of the Alectinib and has nothing at all to do with all the other nonsense. She said before the appointment that she was hopeful he would be interested in all the other 'treatments' she was doing, but no legit oncologist would support or encourage the things she's putting into her body. I don't think she would risk lying about what he said because it's too likely that she would get caught.

 

[#blessingsonblessings]

I think it’s clear that she has/had cancer. I’m not in the business of judging anyone’s cancer journey and the utter desperation that would bring.

What I find frustrating is the constant glorifying of the H4C clinic as the thing that has saved her. It actually seems pretty clear that is the targeted therapy drug, Alectinib that has saved her. Twice now. A scientifically developed and proved drug prescribed to her by doctors right here in Australia.

Yet, as others have mentioned she rarely mentions this drug at all. And when she does, its as an aside. ‘Oh yes by the way I’m also taking this drug’.

I found and listened to this podcast ep. It was pretty interesting. Again, in the entire 45 min interview she mentions the drug 2, maybe 3 times merely as an aside. The entire rest of the interview is spruiking the H4C clinic and alternative treatments, such as dog deworming drugs.

She also said that she sees herself as ‘different’ and ‘unique’ from other ‘standard’ cancer patients. And about how many ppl approach her every week for advice about their cancer treatment.

So so concerning that someone with so much influence and reach is essentially creating a narrative that people need to spend tens of thousands of dollars to go to a foreign clinic that provides bogus treatments. When in fact it is the drugs, and the doctors in her own backyard that have saved her - and will save many others too as long as they follow proper medical advice, and not the narrative Kate has sadly created.