Court is back in session after the view. Lally has been freed from his seat at the table he has been glued to since Brennan took over and is questioning the witness.
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How they gathered evidence was insane, in red solo cups!!! The whole case is laughable. Its like a scene from Tom & Jerry !
It was Proctor's car that the clothing was in for 6 weeks so anything is possible, he seemed to have decided Karen did it right off the bat from the texts that came out of the investigation. There was also the weird thing of one of the gift from the Alberts.
Those text messages between John and Karen were painful to listen to 
. John sounds very insecure and as if he liked to play mind games. She definitely came off better in them messages
. John sounds very insecure and as if he liked to play mind games. She definitely came off better in them messages
This is so interesting as it shows how differently things can be interpreted - I thought she was an absolute pain in the a in those million messages/phone calls. I’d hate to be a juror.Those text messages between John and Karen were painful to listen to
I didn’t know that they have hired Brennan on nearly a quarter of a million dollars - but it will obviously end up as more than that. Ludicrous waste of money - Lally is supposed to be the prosecutor so does that imply that they haven’t got faith in him being able to get a conviction this time?
That was really weird especially when he said ‘buy something for my wife instead’ - so glad they sacked him but it could open the door to more appeals of other cases he has investigated.
Bev really looks like she hates her job, I have never seen a judge carry on like this, she is so biased and she should not have been allowed judge for this retrial.
To me it seems like the Commonwealth wants a conviction no matter what and Brennan is slimy enough to make that happen.
I'm so glad this thread was set up I'm obsessed. I have gone back and forth on this and I just don't know still. I watch it on court tv and they do a good job on it but Karen was texting another cop flirting with him in the days before this, I'll find his name asap but she isn't squeaky clean.
Sometimes I think she was so drunk she unknowingly knocked him down and didn't realize until later.
Sometimes I think she was so drunk she unknowingly knocked him down and didn't realize until later.
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The ATF agent she was texting is Brian Higgins
Yeah this was Higgins who took his phone to a military base and destroyed it the day before the preservation order came out. He had texted Karen that night with Um Well...or something to that effect and she blew him off. Theory kicking around on Twitter is Higgins had motive because she had ghosted him. They invited John over to Fairview with the intention of a fight and it all went wrong.
I watched the series about the first trial "Body in the snow: the trial of Karen Read". It was really interesting to see behind the scenes with her legal team. I was really interested as well to see all the support she got from the general public.
She has the opposite of resting witch face, at rest the corners of her mouth are upturned, so I can see how she would come off as insincere. I have no idea if shes innocent but there is enough doubt that I couldn't find her guilty
She has the opposite of resting witch face, at rest the corners of her mouth are upturned, so I can see how she would come off as insincere. I have no idea if shes innocent but there is enough doubt that I couldn't find her guilty
For me it’s like the Lucy Letby case though - either *everyone* else is lying, mistaken, wrong data, incorrect memories, or: the most simple explanation is the answer.
Edited to add; and similarly to LL, she admitted it!
And based on that, it being the most simple explanation, I think a jury could find her guilty of manslaughter. I don't see how the state is going to prove murder though. I'm interested to hear another run through of his injuries and how much they tally or not with someone reversing into you.
Absolutely. I’m not sure of the whole premeditated thing and what constitutes it, but it’s absolutely evident she had a temper on her, and had quick reactions.
The podcast I listened to also gave another really interesting aspect about it her constant phone calls and texts afterwards - they were escalating in their intensity and abusiveness - almost like she was trying to goad him into replying to her (even though she suspected he was still outside).
Her phone also pinged in the area of Fairview BEFORE she went to pick up the women to go and look for him - why would that be? And how did she then see him out of the car window (when both other women said they couldn’t see a thing) - and he was under 4 inches of snow?
I hadn’t heard that before - about her phone pinging near Fairview earlier than 0500. I’ll defo. listen out for that is this second trial as I cannot remember it from the first trial.
For anyone interested Turtleboy has updated his ‘Framed’ video recently. Which reminded me about poor Sandra Birchmore.
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I’ll go back and re listen to that part to clarify it. If I recall it took her far longer to reach the other women’s house than it should have done, and showed her in the area of Fairview, possibly doing a drive by?
For me the other biggie is Johns phone never showing ANY activity after he had been dropped off by Karen - and those times match up.
For me the other biggie is Johns phone never showing ANY activity after he had been dropped off by Karen - and those times match up.
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