Karen Read Case

[Carpediem69]

I'm watching at the moment, I'm not as keen on Yannetti on the cross.

Yep he is no AJ but he stops them waffling on with their answers.

The text messages are unsettling - JOK seemed to have started the argument at 0800 and the more Karen tried to discuss it the worse he seemed to get - until he wanted a lift home from the bar later that night.

It is understandable she lost her rag when he left her outside 34 Fairview considering how he had been all day with her. I also felt sorry for his guardianships with some of the things he said

 

[avabella]

I’m listening to a podcast and it brings up some really interesting points.

Karen apparently phoned a girl who wasn’t there that evening; and said she was worried that John had been hit by a snowplough. By this point he had only been ‘missing’ 3/4 hours or so, and as far as she knew, he was in the Fairview house in the party? This friend then went to phone the hospitals to see if there had been any plough accidents.

Also, why was she calling him a p? This podcast goes into detail about how the Fairview house was ‘near Bella’s house’ (Bella being the friend of Johns niece; who’s mum he dated). Is the p name calling something to do with this friend?

 

[LondonCalling272]

I’m listening to a podcast and it brings up some really interesting points.

Karen apparently phoned a girl who wasn’t there that evening; and said she was worried that John had been hit by a snowplough. By this point he had only been ‘missing’ 3/4 hours or so, and as far as she knew, he was in the Fairview house in the party? This friend then went to phone the hospitals to see if there had been any plough accidents.

Also, why was she calling him a p? This podcast goes into detail about how the Fairview house was ‘near Bella’s house’ (Bella being the friend of Johns niece; who’s mum he dated). Is the p name calling something to do with this friend?

Might be the Bella’s mom thing or it could be to do with the swinger rumours. There’s been talk of the Alberts swinging / having affairs. Some of it is on the karenreadtrial Reddit

 

[avabella]

Might be the Bella’s mom thing or it could be to do with the swinger rumours. There’s been talk of the Alberts swinging / having affairs. Some of it is on the karenreadtrial Reddit

Wow; ok it seems I am just scratching the surface!

Is it possible that when she’s saying she ‘hit him’ she means punched him?

 

[Carpediem69]

Oh dear not looking good for the ‘truth teller’.

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[Carpediem69]

I’m listening to a podcast and it brings up some really interesting points.

Karen apparently phoned a girl who wasn’t there that evening; and said she was worried that John had been hit by a snowplough. By this point he had only been ‘missing’ 3/4 hours or so, and as far as she knew, he was in the Fairview house in the party? This friend then went to phone the hospitals to see if there had been any plough accidents.

Also, why was she calling him a p? This podcast goes into detail about how the Fairview house was ‘near Bella’s house’ (Bella being the friend of Johns niece; who’s mum he dated). Is the p name calling something to do with this friend?

Karen called Kerry Roberts (she was on the stand yesterday) and allegedly said ‘John’s dead’ then hung up - this was at 0500hrs. Kerry Roberts is the stupid one who is being manipulated by Jen McCabe to ensure their stories line up.

She stated she saw the broken tail light on Karen’s car when they went back to JOK’s house, when the three of them went back to check if he was there - the cctv shows that no one stopped to look at the tail light when they arrived there. She changed her story yesterday and said it was when they left - convieniently that cctv is ‘missing’

The three of them ended up at 34 Fairview when they discovered John’s body on the lawn, in the snow. Kerry administered CPR (so she says) whilst Karen did mouth to mouth.

Kerry also picked up John’s phone and instead of handing it to the police decided to put it in her pocket - with holding evidence from the crime scene. It was only a while later she handed it over to a first responder.

They were both at McCabes house writing up a time line of the events that happened on the morning of the 29th January. Hence comparing and noting their ‘recollections’ of what happened.

(This will become clearer when you hear about the goggle search at 02.27 by Jen McCabe ‘Hos long to die in the cold’ (she misspelt ‘how’)

Kerry Roberts is in this up to her eye balls and is being manipulated by the McCabes to stick to the decided narrative of what happened. She only became friends with Jen McCabe after this and seems to me is happy to be used in order to be in with the ‘inner circle’ that is the Alberts, McCabes and the Canton Police dept.

The p issue I haven’t looked into but it seems JOK had plenty of the Canton housewives and other women constantly texting and phoning him - possibly why Karen may have been a little jealous.

 

[Carpediem69]

Wow; ok it seems I am just scratching the surface!

Is it possible that when she’s saying she ‘hit him’ she means punched him?

Not really - there is no question of violence or assault by Karen or John

The ‘Did I hit him, ‘could I have hit him’ ‘I hit him’ (dependent on whose version you hear) seems to have been jumped on by Jen McCabe who said Karen said ‘I hit him, I hit him, I hit him’ directly to her. Then a first responder said Karen asked ‘could I have hit him’.

So considering how distraught she was Karen could have said anything as she was trying to understand what had happened. - plus Kerry Roberts was constantly telling her to ‘shut up’ in the car would not have helped.

you may find a channel called Micro dots helpful - it breaks down various parts of the events into bitesize chunks so you can pick / dip in and out to any areas which interest you. I don’t mind explaining what I know but I am biased towards Karen being totally innocent and this is a massive set up by certain people in the Canton PD IMO. Hope this helps.
Here’s one of them

 

[LondonCalling272]

I think the “hit him” was her going through all different scenarios in her head like “could I have hit him” etc
It’s weird that Nuttall now remembers it as 3 times the way Jen McCabe did after being prepped by Brennan and Tully. Like why is it all always 3 times?

I may have picked it up wrong but from what Brennan showed with the clips of them inside the car / walking around the car, Karen can’t have been in a car with Jen at the time Jen says Karen told her to google how long to die in the cold. Adding more weight to it happening at 2.27
Then all the “butt dials” between the Alberts at 2:22 tie in the 2:27 search more

 

[swipeup25]

I’m listening to a podcast and it brings up some really interesting points.

Karen apparently phoned a girl who wasn’t there that evening; and said she was worried that John had been hit by a snowplough. By this point he had only been ‘missing’ 3/4 hours or so, and as far as she knew, he was in the Fairview house in the party? This friend then went to phone the hospitals to see if there had been any plough accidents.

Also, why was she calling him a p? This podcast goes into detail about how the Fairview house was ‘near Bella’s house’ (Bella being the friend of Johns niece; who’s mum he dated). Is the p name calling something to do with this friend?

Could I get the podcast name please

 

[LadyLockdown]

Crime Weekly podcast did a deep dive on this a few months ago.

 

[avabella]

Crime Weekly podcast did a deep dive on this a few months ago.

Could I get the podcast name please

This one is called Red Handed

I’m so on the fence, I just think sometimes the most obvious reason is the truth, and it seems the most obvious truth is that it was Karen.
If it is to be believed to be a cover up, how many people are reliant on keeping their mouths shut to make sure it doesn’t all fold? And why? Why frame Karen specifically? Why would anyone want John dead?

 

[swipeup25]

This one is called Red Handed

I’m so on the fence, I just think sometimes the most obvious reason is the truth, and it seems the most obvious truth is that it was Karen.
If it is to be believed to be a cover up, how many people are reliant on keeping their mouths shut to make sure it doesn’t all fold? And why? Why frame Karen specifically? Why would anyone want John dead?

Cheers

 

[Carpediem69]

This one is called Red Handed

I’m so on the fence, I just think sometimes the most obvious reason is the truth, and it seems the most obvious truth is that it was Karen.
If it is to be believed to be a cover up, how many people are reliant on keeping their mouths shut to make sure it doesn’t all fold? And why? Why frame Karen specifically? Why would anyone want John dead?

JMO so I don’t why he was murdered but I believe it was just supposed to be a ‘beating’ (Higgins and Karen had been texting and she ghosted him a few days before the murder) and it went wrong when JOK fell and hit his head, possibly on the gym equipment or Chloe the dog was meant to attack him but, again, things went wrong and got out of hand. JOK had also had some trouble with the Alberts son and he was also at the house.

I know the people involved in this are related and/ or are part of the Police dept. and sit on the board in the town. So apart from Kerry Roberts everyone else is inter related. Karen was the ‘outsider’ she wasn’t from Canton and therefore was the easy option for a suspect. At every turn the lead investigator was there over seeing everything - he has now been sacked, after an investigation by the state, due to this case and bringing the PD into disrepute.

The theory is that Karen would take a plea deal and it would all be over with - instead she hired Alan Jackson and this is where the ‘plan’ fell to pieces.

this is Proctor - the one who has now been sacked. Saying he hoped Karen would die at the first trial,

 

[Carpediem69]

Crime Weekly podcast did a deep dive on this a few months ago.

Did they come to any conclusions?

 

[LadyLockdown]

Did they come to any conclusions?

It was a while back that I listened to it and my memory isn't the best (thank you, menopause) but, I think they were of the opinion that it wasn't Karen, mainly because of the angry/shouty voicemails she left John when she got home which they felt she wouldn't have done if she knew he was dead at her hands.

I also remember that they said the police made an absolute hash of the investigation as well which, if there wasn't a cover up, certainly made it look like there could have been.

It was a good podcast, I like Crime Weekly because they really set the scene and leave no stoned unturned (although they can sometime be a bit biased / opinionated imo, especially Stephanie).

 

[SirHiss]

Jen McCabe not waking up her sister and BIL and not going in the house to make sure they were OK given that there was a dead cop on their lawn is just too weird to me. How would she know something didn't also happen to them? That along with neither home owner coming out to see what was going on is just too suspicious for me to get past.

 

[Nottonightbabe]

Jen McCabe not waking up her sister and BIL and not going in the house to make sure they were OK given that there was a dead cop on their lawn is just too weird to me. How would she know something didn't also happen to them? That along with neither home owner coming out to see what was going on is just too suspicious for me to get past.

Yeah that is bizarre behaviour. There's suddenly a ton of emergency responders on your lawn and you don't go see what's happening?!

 

[swipeup25]

I'm 2 episodes into red handed and they are 100% on the guilty side. Not even exploring another option

 

[Sparklehorse]

Just my opinion but I think she was that drunk she didn’t know she’d knocked into him that night. She drove them both to 34 Fairview, they argued as they pulled up, he got out the car and she was mad he did. She did a 3 point turn, knocked him down without realising then drove off as she just assumed he’d gone into the house.
She’s not guilty of murder but she was so drunk she doesn’t realise she’s hit him. There’s no hidden cop conspiracy- she’s gone on record to change her narrative multiple times and she’s suddenly remembered clear details (ie listening to U2 in the car) but it was a terrible drunken accident

 

[avabella]

Just my opinion but I think she was that drunk she didn’t know she’d knocked into him that night. She drove them both to 34 Fairview, they argued as they pulled up, he got out the car and she was mad he did. She did a 3 point turn, knocked him down without realising then drove off as she just assumed he’d gone into the house.
She’s not guilty of murder but she was so drunk she doesn’t realise she’s hit him. There’s no hidden cop conspiracy- she’s gone on record to change her narrative multiple times and she’s suddenly remembered clear details (ie listening to U2 in the car) but it was a terrible drunken accident

This is how I’m leaning too. It would also go some way to explaining how the tail light didn’t leave any glass shards on John’s driveway (when she hit his car) - there may not have been any glass left to fall out.
And also explain how she knew exactly where he’d be, I think she maybe thought it had been a bad dream but when she sobered up slightly realised it had actually happened