Kind of agree - it’s a moot point these days. Plus it would save all the ‘please give me a clue’ posts
Jack Monroe #523 Everything she does is pointless busywork that solves nothing
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You know who ALWAYS reads Trifle Defender’s tweets? Nigella. I do wonder what she makes of it all. She’s been rather quiet about Jack lately. (As well she might, given she was complicit in that big push for Patreons last year).
Well, isn't that last the question they need asking?
I think I might renew my NUJ membership....
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Langoustine isn't a fruit?
I don't think she was happy after hungry hungry games 2. Has she responded since her post ' you're lying?' Or how? Or unbelievable? I can't remember, I do think that opened Nigellas eyes.
I'm interested to hear your personal points of view about what guest would have to do to satisfy you that she is truly sorry so she could seek some sort of redemption.
There are multiple reasons why we're all pissed off with her so it would be very difficult.
I've been wracking my brains today trying to think what would satisfy me.
I think that we can safely assume that no-one is going to get any refunds. They should, but she SHAN'T.
For me she'd have to pause Patreon until she can offer some regular digital content instead of physical rewards.
Make her Patreon public like most other providers. That one would definitely give her an upper hand as I think most of the squigs would just shrug and keep throwing money at her.
Any fundraising should be done through a legitimate platform.
A professional Twitter account for signposting/campaigning and a personal one where she can lie, moan about her crumbly shoulder and flash her minge as much as she likes. At least the latter would be for her most avid fans and everyone else could avoid (like any other normal Twitter account).
I popped over to Mastadon to follow someone I know and did a quick search for guest. She is there but there are only a few mirrored Twitter posts with virtually no engagement.
There are multiple reasons why we're all pissed off with her so it would be very difficult.
I've been wracking my brains today trying to think what would satisfy me.
I think that we can safely assume that no-one is going to get any refunds. They should, but she SHAN'T.
For me she'd have to pause Patreon until she can offer some regular digital content instead of physical rewards.
Make her Patreon public like most other providers. That one would definitely give her an upper hand as I think most of the squigs would just shrug and keep throwing money at her.
Any fundraising should be done through a legitimate platform.
A professional Twitter account for signposting/campaigning and a personal one where she can lie, moan about her crumbly shoulder and flash her minge as much as she likes. At least the latter would be for her most avid fans and everyone else could avoid (like any other normal Twitter account).
I popped over to Mastadon to follow someone I know and did a quick search for guest. She is there but there are only a few mirrored Twitter posts with virtually no engagement.
I had a black eye at the same time, and mine was definitely not shiny!
HMRC are SOOOO ready to collect money. They've done a very lucrative Landlord 'sting' recently. So lucrative they're going in for phase 2.
They can easily see land registry does not equal council tax payer = letter and digging into your financials. There was an undeclared Landlord amnesty for a while but that's all done now.
100% Twitter/patreon/online begs are on the horizon.
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Like witherCan we ask how they pronounce Mither though?
I like your ideas but for me as well as this also she would have to stop adopting/buying animals and properly look after the ones she may currently have (if she still does). Post proper apologies for lots of things including Patreon and SueLee and with the latter offer to refund people and properly show some transparency over what she earned and what if anything she gave away (large chance). Stop begging for money online, no more rattling that tip jar (I don't care so much if she has a link to a tip jar, just that she stops the begging posts along with it about how poor she is, how she wants to fix her website etc). Come clean that the poverty was 'exaggerated'. Promote - regularly - genuine activists and foody stuff. Take some classes in a skill, even if that's cooking, writing or even presenting, and actually learn from those classes and then seek gainful employment, or at least freelance gigs that aren't built on a load of lies and lack of cookery skill. Never sing on social media again. Pay proper tax on all PayPal and Patreon income.
And clean those fingernails.
Hello Frauen! Long time grunker, first time poster here. I read you like origin stories so here is mine:
I have a Jack cookbook that I got as a gift years ago (Cooking on a Bootstrap) when I was a strapped-for-cash student, tried one recipe (I think it was an easy-bake break type thing which failed miserably, so I shelved it and never attempted anything else from it, putting it down to me being useless in the kitchen rather than the recipes being fundamentally flawed…)
I followed Jack on Twitter after getting the book, saw her posts at times and generally held the impression that she was a do-gooder prima facie and didn’t interrogate any further. I’d see tweets that generally aligned with my own views and think ‘ah okay cool’ but didn’t think much else of Jack.
When the wool was pulled from my eyes was the Jamie Oliver pile-on; I just thought that was deeply deeply unkind for someone I had an impression of as very
be kind and when she called tin can cooking her ‘specific niche’ I was like 
because if your primary motivation is ensuring as many people have access to easy, cheap recipes in a pandemic (and latterly the cost of living crisis), surely a Big Name sharing those kinds of recipes is a positive thing, no?… It then dawned on me that Jack’s actual motivation was herself; her own profile and was only invested in ‘poverty campaigning’ when she was the centre of it.
Then came the Awfully Molly blogs and that was the absolute final nail in the coffin. I supported Molly and thought she approached things very fairly and corroborated everything she put out there. Jack’s reaction to Molly as an EVIL BAD TROLL and to encourage her flying monkeys to dogpile her just cemented my view that she was a self-serving, narcissistic and nasty person who only cared about preserving her place in the spotlight (meagre though it is) and about maintaining her view of herself as this Holier Than Thou Perfect Smol Angel who is above reproach and that anything threatening that was immediately shot down and ripped apart rather than recognising that as someone with a public profile she should respond to questions and concerns with facts and at least a degree of civility.
Of course Molly referenced Tattle a lot, which led me here! I’ve thoroughly enjoyed reading the threads (it’s become a bit of a nighttime routine to have a little read of Tattle, giggle at the jokes and have my eyes OPENED to say the least). You all seem like a jolly great bunch andforensic in your analysis (the Wiki is a beaaautiful resource, congratulations!!) and it’s a pleasure to be able to finally join properly, because I’ve so often wanted to be able to respond to things and contribute!
So, hello! Nice to sort-of meet you and be among you. I look forward to grunking, mithering (MY-thering
) and having a laugh. 🩷
I have a Jack cookbook that I got as a gift years ago (Cooking on a Bootstrap) when I was a strapped-for-cash student, tried one recipe (I think it was an easy-bake break type thing which failed miserably, so I shelved it and never attempted anything else from it, putting it down to me being useless in the kitchen rather than the recipes being fundamentally flawed…)
I followed Jack on Twitter after getting the book, saw her posts at times and generally held the impression that she was a do-gooder prima facie and didn’t interrogate any further. I’d see tweets that generally aligned with my own views and think ‘ah okay cool’ but didn’t think much else of Jack.
When the wool was pulled from my eyes was the Jamie Oliver pile-on; I just thought that was deeply deeply unkind for someone I had an impression of as very
be kind and when she called tin can cooking her ‘specific niche’ I was like because if your primary motivation is ensuring as many people have access to easy, cheap recipes in a pandemic (and latterly the cost of living crisis), surely a Big Name sharing those kinds of recipes is a positive thing, no?… It then dawned on me that Jack’s actual motivation was herself; her own profile and was only invested in ‘poverty campaigning’ when she was the centre of it.Then came the Awfully Molly blogs and that was the absolute final nail in the coffin. I supported Molly and thought she approached things very fairly and corroborated everything she put out there. Jack’s reaction to Molly as an EVIL BAD TROLL and to encourage her flying monkeys to dogpile her just cemented my view that she was a self-serving, narcissistic and nasty person who only cared about preserving her place in the spotlight (meagre though it is) and about maintaining her view of herself as this Holier Than Thou Perfect Smol Angel who is above reproach and that anything threatening that was immediately shot down and ripped apart rather than recognising that as someone with a public profile she should respond to questions and concerns with facts and at least a degree of civility.
Of course Molly referenced Tattle a lot, which led me here! I’ve thoroughly enjoyed reading the threads (it’s become a bit of a nighttime routine to have a little read of Tattle, giggle at the jokes and have my eyes OPENED to say the least). You all seem like a jolly great bunch and
forensic in your analysis (the Wiki is a beaaautiful resource, congratulations!!) and it’s a pleasure to be able to finally join properly, because I’ve so often wanted to be able to respond to things and contribute!So, hello! Nice to sort-of meet you and be among you. I look forward to grunking, mithering (MY-thering
) and having a laugh. 🩷That's what I meant when I said that we all have different reasons why we're here.
I'm not a pet person but I can't bear cruelty to animals and that hadn't even occurred to me.
Your reasoning is definitely more thorough than mine.
I'm not a pet person but I can't bear cruelty to animals and that hadn't even occurred to me.
Your reasoning is definitely more thorough than mine.
Apart from never, ever sing or do a poetry reading again publicly, stop all use of puns, never ever do the gleeful grinning wet pants fist thing ever again, stop boasting, admit the endless lies, confirm the poverty story is a massive bull scam-or at least absurdly exaggerated, stop mistreating animals, apologise to the dozens of marginalised groups she’s used for attention & dropped, stop eating & promoting factory farmed food, stop pretending she doesn’t filter her absurd photos, admit she’s perfectly healthy and doesn’t in fact need a cane to walk at all times, stop with the ridiculous lies like Brambly mice attacking coopsy or a friend dropping in made to measure curtains for a bay window as a thank you, stop sucking up to blue tickers while ignoring poor souls like Brenda who think she can’t cook because guest’s recipes are tit, never again wear a wig and photograph herself, stop embarrassing her poor son or pretending her dress up cringefests are his idea, understand she has a tit sense of humour so quit with the ‘hilarity’ and tangled limbs, stop pretending she can cook or that talented chefs nick her ideas, stop the pile ons, snark and bullying & get a bleeping job I can’t think of anything.
Oh, stop shitting in bags?
I thought mithering was like dithering 🥲
Greenbelt have finally issued a statement about Jack. TL;dr we like Jack, we’ve all made mistakes, we’re getting some actual povs along too and we think this cancels out her cosplay.
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‘Yeah we know she’s divisive and has done bad things but she’s a Greenbelt nepo baby and we KNOW HER (aka we’re pals imo) so we’re not listening hehe thankspaceyou xxx’
I almost said all my wants here:
I know that there would be multiple things that would still annoy me about her, but that's much the same as many people in the public eye.
If she:
* refunded the Sue Lee money to the donators
* stopped pretending she's a pov
... I think I'd be OK with that. As a "sorry".
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I thought I'd read the Wiki properly but I'm going to read it again.
Blimey, when it's put like that I don't think she's got any chance of redemption.
I go from raging about her (even mentioned her to my mother who'd never heard of her) to sometimes feeling a tiny glimmer of pity.
I'm soft though which is probably why I foolishly donated to her. I thought her lad was younger than he is though by the way she talked about him.
Blimey, when it's put like that I don't think she's got any chance of redemption.
I go from raging about her (even mentioned her to my mother who'd never heard of her) to sometimes feeling a tiny glimmer of pity.
I'm soft though which is probably why I foolishly donated to her. I thought her lad was younger than he is though by the way she talked about him.
I agree with all of the above. For me, it’s two main fronts she needs to remedy:
1. Lack of transparency
As someone with a public profile she can’t get away with the absolute nonsense responses she puts out to people’s genuine concerns. She either deems critics as EVIL TROLLS out to get her to cease inhaling oxygen or she gets on her high horse of denial. Those are her two defaults and neither is okay.
There’s no reason whatsoever that she can’t make her Patreon income public, be public about exactly how much she ‘funded’ to sue Lee Anderson and where those funds went, etc. it’s an active choice that she doesn’t and it leads to a massive level of distrust and it gives the people asking questions a very sturdy basis on which to question her.
As someone who constantly screeches about ‘all the good she does’, she doesn’t prove it. Ever. And if you’re in what I’d argue is a charitable position/held as a do-gooder, you have an obligation to be transparent.
2.Inability to apologise or go towards any form of self-improvement
She seems fundamentally incapable of admitting when she’s done wrong, owning up to mistakes and undertaking to fix her ways going forward. She’s lost followers and Patreon supporters because of her own behaviour and you’d think that would make her want to be more contrite and try to make it up to the people who support or have supported her, whether that be financially or otherwise. For someone constantly talking about engaging in the very hard work of a 12-step programme and seeking improvement in that regard, she seems so blind to how she isn’t applying those principles more generally to her life. Not to
myself but I have personal experience of addiction and these programmes and the onus is so strongly placed on you to look inward and recognise in no uncertain terms that you have harmed people through your behaviour and you should seek to make amends where possible and at the very least apologise AND recognise your own impact on others. It’s founded on honesty above all else, yet she is a deeply dishonest and shady person so deep into her own narcissism that she’s so averse to anything that doesn’t paint her as a perfect human being.I realise none of these things are really tangible steps or a list of things she could tick off, but from my observations these are the sort of general areas that really strike me as problematic and I genuinely do wish she would look inward once in a while instead of projecting everything on to imagined evil forces that don’t exist.
(Also I looked for her on BlueSky but I don’t think she’s there!)
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Mither is pronounced "my-ther" (with a hard "th" like "that there" rather than a soft "th" like "myth").
I have credentials. I will die on this hill.
I can't sleep tonight so I'm off to read the Wiki again.
Re Greenfield statement. They seem to be under the impression she is problematic because she is contraversial, which would imply her views - sort of like Lozza or Farage. There is nothing remotely contraversial about her views. She is utterly predictable in that way.
It's her actions that people object to. The taking money from people less well off than herself, the not fulfilling patreon for nearly 3 years, the giving secret amounts of other people's money to secret charities.
And she has never done anything to address these things contrary to what Greenfield say.
It's her actions that people object to. The taking money from people less well off than herself, the not fulfilling patreon for nearly 3 years, the giving secret amounts of other people's money to secret charities.
And she has never done anything to address these things contrary to what Greenfield say.
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