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What a really great, well-reasoned read, thank you. I do hope you stick aroundSorry itās taken me a while to reply, Iām taking some leave at the mo, and have been spending quality time with my kids because oddly enough I like them more than I like the internet. This morningās post had actually been written over a few days, following a few weeks of occasional grunking after another friend had tipped me off to this site. Anyway my little critters are in bed, housework is done, emails sorted, so now itād be rude not to reply to the best of my ability.
OH probably does exist. I agree with guesses that itās a man, and Iām bi myself so do understand how difficult it would be for Jack to row back on her public lesbianism and announce a relationship with a man. When Iāve had relationships with women, Iāve known absolutely that I never wanted to be with a man again, and then a few years later whoops have had to change my mind because actually there are some lovely men out there and Iāve been attracted to some of them enough to go out with them. (Thank you to sympathetic commenters on previous threads, who have noted that biphobia is a thing and that it makes relationships difficult for those of us whoāve been adamant that weāre 100% gay 4EVA and then later realise we arenāt!) So Iām not going to throw any shade on Jack at all for keeping OH close to her chest and not posting photos or whatever, cos if OH is a man she will undoubtedly get some backlash on socials from some of her more bonkers followers. And although IMO she deserves plenty of tit for plenty of reasons, having a relationship with someone isnāt one of them. We should all be allowed to fall in love with another consenting adult without sniping about our sexuality, so no shade on that. I have an idea of who OH might be - definitely canāt say though, sorry, in case Iām wrong - but if Iām right then heās a lovely chap who works long hours in multiple jobs. Not wealthy. Not the kind of guy youād notice for his looks (either in a good or bad way) but a very kind and good man motivated by good things. The sort of man someone might take advantage of, sure, but equally the sort of man who might bring out the best side in someone. I hope for everyoneās sake that, even if Iām wrong about exactly who OH is, whoever OH actually is can bring out the good side of Jack, cos it looks from her Twitter like she hasnāt half let the bad side take over. But then, Allegra and Louisa both seem like thoroughly lovely, kind, warm people too, and they had no luck with Jack. So weāll see.
Regarding the social circle stuff - I suppose I should be fairly careful ā¦ although tbh thereās not much of substance to it, and I donāt care much if Jack threatens to sue me anyway, because everything is either provably true or an honestly held opinion based on available facts. Iām not gonna be easy to identify from anything I say here, and didnāt sign up with my real email address. (Plus I have no assets and never will have, all my spare money goes in the kidsā savings, so I aināt worth suing as I canāt buy Jack any sofas.)
Anyway without giving identifying detailin my teens I finally began to meet other kids from around the town who werenāt from my background. Lots of them lived in Thorpe Bay and had lovely parents with big houses, who were happy to have large groups of miscellaneous teenagers partying in their garages or gardens, so I spent plenty of time in the area and know it well. Leigh too, and nice bits of Benfleet (but Benfleet was a serious pain to travel to when all you had was a bike, and no money for train or bus fare). It was a different era and social groups at the time were pretty mixed. There were some cliques, and the odd fight, there were different groups of lads who were known to not like each other, there were different groups of adults who were known to not like each other (some of my schoolfriendsā dads were childish bleeping embarrassments; thankfully my own dad kept himself to himself), but no actual gangs back then really. But mainly, most people rubbed along pretty well, and everyone knew everyone to however many degrees of separation. Some of us povvos were welcomed at the fancy house parties the same as some rich kids were welcomed round the pirate radio broadcast. (Tbh the rich kids would be welcome cos theyād be the ones whose money weād all use to buy hash and speed, sooooo ā¦ ! Yes, we were dickheads. Yes I regret a lot of it, and wish Iād known there were better things to do without money. My kids will know there are. Whether or not theyāll listen to me about anything is another matter, of course.)
One thing it might be useful to bear in mind is that Jack is from a family that, compared to the average family in the UK, is pretty well off (using net household wealth as a measure) ā¦ BUT a good number of Jackās close comparators growing up, because they lived in a nice area AND she went to a grammar school, would have been the kids who were from families even better off than hers, instead of the average family or poorer families. Iām talking the showy yacht club families, in the really big Thorpe Bay Gardens or Cliff Parade houses that even in the early 2000s could cost getting on for a mill or so. Where the dads were in finance and fiddling their taxes to have more ready cash to do up their own houses or build their buy-to-let portfolios, and somehow still found the time to go shagging each otherās wives at the tennis club. (There was a Real Housewives Of Thorpe Bay series opportunity that got missed in the early 2000s!)
Socially the creative arts in town used to be a thriving free-for-all, but lots of it is now dependent on grant funding and that usually goes to quite a small group these days. When it was a free-for-all, there was a lot more social cohesion in the popular scene, and nobody really gave a duck who came from what background. Especially at gigs or pubs or wherever. Through my late teens and 20s, and even early 30s, there were former heroin addicts happily rubbing shoulders with former private school kids, all playing music together and making art; commoners like me getting pissed and pilled up together (and often loved up) with the fine upstanding young men and women whose dads owned property portfolios across the borough. Southend was a pretty decent place socially in a lot of ways, despite there always being a lot of wealth inequality. Itās different now, fewer places to mix with people who arenāt like you.
This is all a very long way of explaining that, yeah Iām sure there were plenty of people who knew Jack was from a comfortable family, but the thing is, nobody actually cared. None of us EVER really cared who came from what background, not in that scene. The only reason people are caring more about her background and her BS now, is because sheās publicly attacking people all over the place, still leveraging her ābut I was a Poorā story, and I think the Lee Anderson thing was a sort of breaking point for some of us. Like, the guy was literally down mines for a living and Jack makes out like she knows more about low pay and hard work than he does? NAH. If she was known to be a hard worker and actually put the hours in on the ground then maybe weād just continue ignoring her BS, but sheās - how to put this politely - not known for her hard work on the ground. Thatās why some of us are going āfucks sake can you believe the state of Jack Monroeā to one another now, when weād never have bothered before. (Even though we might well think Lee Anderson is an arse too. Sorry Lee. Not a fan of your body of work generally, but do agree that cooking and budgeting lessons would be a great idea for lots of people from our sort of background.)
Anyway. The social exclusion stuff is actually a bit simpler/sadder than most of you are probably thinking, and itās just that Jack wasnāt especially cool or well liked. No drama or anything, I just donāt remember anyone in my groups thinking she had much to add. I didnāt. That sounds harsh now, but I donāt know how else to describe it. I personally didnāt give her any thought at all until she got some publicity from The Poverty (which never added up for those of us who knew her, but I was busy at the time pulling myself out of a tit life path, others were all busy having families and losing parents and stuff, and who really cared anyway, right?). After that, sheād pop up in the media occasionally and Iād roll my eyes that nobody had exposed her BS yet. Then would promptly forget about her. Mainly stopped reading the Guardian a few years back, and the Guardian was the only place Jack ever popped up with any regularity. So I just didnāt think about her enough to give a duck. But all this nonsense with Lee Anderson happened recently, and whatever I think of him and the way he is, the way she conducted herself over it finally pissed me off enough to have conversations with friends about her, one of whom told me about this here website.
As someone who truly cares about a lot of the stuff Jack says she cares about, I just wish she would use her powers for good, and put in the time and effort to develop a genuine and solid skillset she could use to have real impact. Itās not helpful for the cause of social justice in this country to have the loudest voices belonging to the Jacks, because it makes it so easy for the other side to go āwell, youāre a liar from a comfortably-off family, not a Poor, why should we believe a word you say?ā and discredit the whole argument. Or they can go ālol you muppet, you donāt even understand that median pay is the only possible useful measure for calculating a pay gap, so youāre clearly not as smart as you think you are, why should we take anything you say seriously?ā (god that pay gap tit is embarrassing for her). Please become a better Jack, Jack - you could be useful to the cause if you were a better Jack.
As for her folks and why they keep quiet, I think it really is as simple as that parental instinct to protect their kid (and her kid). Kind of like SBās dad, whose dignity I have to admit a bit of admiration for - heās chosen to keep shtum instead of getting involved in her drama by correcting the record, bless him. To me that means SBās dad has the right priorities because heās putting his kid first, not his ego. Decent lad. Anyway, trying to think of her parentsā perspective, I imagine theyād probably conclude that nothing good would come from defending themselves. I donāt know them personally, but I simply donāt think theyāre the type of people to prioritise their social standing over relationships in their own family. I know Big Dave gets a bit of ribbing here but fundamentally heās a decent bloke, Mrs Dave is meant to be a nice lady too, and theyāre old-school pillars of the community types. I honestly think Mummy and Daddy H are doing what they think is in the best interest of their family, even if that means letting the outside world think they were horrible bastards for leaving poor little Jack and SB to starve in their time of need. They know they didnāt do it, their friends know they didnāt do it, and thatās probably enough for them. Again, I think they really donāt seem like horrible people, they seem like decent, kind, and forgiving people.
And I have to say, if a kid of mine ever did to me what Jackās done to them, if said kid ever made out I was neglectful and cruel ā¦ well, if said kid were in the public eye, Iād probably just do what Ma and Pa H have done, try and smooth it all over and have everything as nice as possible. Alienating your kid by calling them out on their BS, when theyāve built a big public profile and struggle with MH issues, would be a very hard decision to make, and not one a loving parent would be able to make easily. So I can totally understand if thatās the main driver for their silence.
Nighty night frauen. Thank you for the warm welcome. Itās nice to be in the company of others who know the backstory doesnāt add up (and nor do a lot of the other stories). Iām not going to stay up till 4am on Twitter or grunking, even though I havenāt got work in the morning, but hello Jack if you choose to do that. (I do wish you were better Jack. Please get some sleep and think about being better.)
Thanks for explaining. Iād be grateful to have a rep who was a nit picker, looking for potential loopholes theyāve previously had experience of that I mightnāt have foreseen, to ensure my needs are met and my rights are protected.
Being in a union doesnāt come for free; what youāve described is basically what Iāve been paying my dues for, for almost 25 years. Im very glad they continue to challenge employers.
Jack might threaten them with not seeing SB (if he actually lived with her...) but it'd last about a week before she couldn't cope and had to take him somewhere away from her. She's too selfish and incompetent to be an actual single parent.
I saw it happen in real time on telly. Good times.
I can only speak from my experience, and I'm yet to meet a competent rep. That's not to say they're all tit, I just haven't dealt with a good one. Nit picking isnt the same as being thorough & HR aren't the bad guys lol. Usually the bad guys are the executives and their shady ethics - thats where HR can step in.
Jack's the GOAT of GOATs. It's exhausting! To her dubious credit, she is a great bare-faced liar which has cost her friends but made her Ā£Ā£Ā£Ā£. Maybe that's all she really wants. By great liar, I mean she monitises the lies against all odds, sense and reason, not that her lies are super credible!
Thanks - I was wondering how to say it! I tried pity-os but knew that wasn't right.
Absolutely. In my experience, HR are notoriously difficult to even get in touch with, never mind engage with. As I say, no judgment or general ill feeling toward you, Frau. Just wanted you to help me understand it from a different viewpoint.
Yeah HR gets a really bad name - its frustrating for the good ones
as with everything, there are good and bad!
Sorry itās taken me a while to reply, Iām taking some leave at the mo, and have been spending quality time with my kids because oddly enough I like them more than I like the internet. This morningās post had actually been written over a few days, following a few weeks of occasional grunking after another friend had tipped me off to this site. Anyway my little critters are in bed, housework is done, emails sorted, so now itād be rude not to reply to the best of my ability.
OH probably does exist. I agree with guesses that itās a man, and Iām bi myself so do understand how difficult it would be for Jack to row back on her public lesbianism and announce a relationship with a man. When Iāve had relationships with women, Iāve known absolutely that I never wanted to be with a man again, and then a few years later whoops have had to change my mind because actually there are some lovely men out there and Iāve been attracted to some of them enough to go out with them. (Thank you to sympathetic commenters on previous threads, who have noted that biphobia is a thing and that it makes relationships difficult for those of us whoāve been adamant that weāre 100% gay 4EVA and then later realise we arenāt!) So Iām not going to throw any shade on Jack at all for keeping OH close to her chest and not posting photos or whatever, cos if OH is a man she will undoubtedly get some backlash on socials from some of her more bonkers followers. And although IMO she deserves plenty of tit for plenty of reasons, having a relationship with someone isnāt one of them. We should all be allowed to fall in love with another consenting adult without sniping about our sexuality, so no shade on that. I have an idea of who OH might be - definitely canāt say though, sorry, in case Iām wrong - but if Iām right then heās a lovely chap who works long hours in multiple jobs. Not wealthy. Not the kind of guy youād notice for his looks (either in a good or bad way) but a very kind and good man motivated by good things. The sort of man someone might take advantage of, sure, but equally the sort of man who might bring out the best side in someone. I hope for everyoneās sake that, even if Iām wrong about exactly who OH is, whoever OH actually is can bring out the good side of Jack, cos it looks from her Twitter like she hasnāt half let the bad side take over. But then, Allegra and Louisa both seem like thoroughly lovely, kind, warm people too, and they had no luck with Jack. So weāll see.
Regarding the social circle stuff - I suppose I should be fairly careful ā¦ although tbh thereās not much of substance to it, and I donāt care much if Jack threatens to sue me anyway, because everything is either provably true or an honestly held opinion based on available facts. Iām not gonna be easy to identify from anything I say here, and didnāt sign up with my real email address. (Plus I have no assets and never will have, all my spare money goes in the kidsā savings, so I aināt worth suing as I canāt buy Jack any sofas.)
Anyway without giving identifying detail
One thing it might be useful to bear in mind is that Jack is from a family that, compared to the average family in the UK, is pretty well off (using net household wealth as a measure) ā¦ BUT a good number of Jackās close comparators growing up, because they lived in a nice area AND she went to a grammar school, would have been the kids who were from families even better off than hers, instead of the average family or poorer families. Iām talking the showy yacht club families, in the really big Thorpe Bay Gardens or Cliff Parade houses that even in the early 2000s could cost getting on for a mill or so. Where the dads were in finance and fiddling their taxes to have more ready cash to do up their own houses or build their buy-to-let portfolios, and somehow still found the time to go shagging each otherās wives at the tennis club. (There was a Real Housewives Of Thorpe Bay series opportunity that got missed in the early 2000s!)
Socially the creative arts in town used to be a thriving free-for-all, but lots of it is now dependent on grant funding and that usually goes to quite a small group these days. When it was a free-for-all, there was a lot more social cohesion in the popular scene, and nobody really gave a duck who came from what background. Especially at gigs or pubs or wherever. Through my late teens and 20s, and even early 30s, there were former heroin addicts happily rubbing shoulders with former private school kids, all playing music together and making art; commoners like me getting pissed and pilled up together (and often loved up) with the fine upstanding young men and women whose dads owned property portfolios across the borough. Southend was a pretty decent place socially in a lot of ways, despite there always being a lot of wealth inequality. Itās different now, fewer places to mix with people who arenāt like you.
This is all a very long way of explaining that, yeah Iām sure there were plenty of people who knew Jack was from a comfortable family, but the thing is, nobody actually cared. None of us EVER really cared who came from what background, not in that scene. The only reason people are caring more about her background and her BS now, is because sheās publicly attacking people all over the place, still leveraging her ābut I was a Poorā story, and I think the Lee Anderson thing was a sort of breaking point for some of us. Like, the guy was literally down mines for a living and Jack makes out like she knows more about low pay and hard work than he does? NAH. If she was known to be a hard worker and actually put the hours in on the ground then maybe weād just continue ignoring her BS, but sheās - how to put this politely - not known for her hard work on the ground. Thatās why some of us are going āfucks sake can you believe the state of Jack Monroeā to one another now, when weād never have bothered before. (Even though we might well think Lee Anderson is an arse too. Sorry Lee. Not a fan of your body of work generally, but do agree that cooking and budgeting lessons would be a great idea for lots of people from our sort of background.)
Anyway. The social exclusion stuff is actually a bit simpler/sadder than most of you are probably thinking, and itās just that Jack wasnāt especially cool or well liked. No drama or anything, I just donāt remember anyone in my groups thinking she had much to add. I didnāt. That sounds harsh now, but I donāt know how else to describe it. I personally didnāt give her any thought at all until she got some publicity from The Poverty (which never added up for those of us who knew her, but I was busy at the time pulling myself out of a tit life path, others were all busy having families and losing parents and stuff, and who really cared anyway, right?). After that, sheād pop up in the media occasionally and Iād roll my eyes that nobody had exposed her BS yet. Then would promptly forget about her. Mainly stopped reading the Guardian a few years back, and the Guardian was the only place Jack ever popped up with any regularity. So I just didnāt think about her enough to give a duck. But all this nonsense with Lee Anderson happened recently, and whatever I think of him and the way he is, the way she conducted herself over it finally pissed me off enough to have conversations with friends about her, one of whom told me about this here website.
As someone who truly cares about a lot of the stuff Jack says she cares about, I just wish she would use her powers for good, and put in the time and effort to develop a genuine and solid skillset she could use to have real impact. Itās not helpful for the cause of social justice in this country to have the loudest voices belonging to the Jacks, because it makes it so easy for the other side to go āwell, youāre a liar from a comfortably-off family, not a Poor, why should we believe a word you say?ā and discredit the whole argument. Or they can go ālol you muppet, you donāt even understand that median pay is the only possible useful measure for calculating a pay gap, so youāre clearly not as smart as you think you are, why should we take anything you say seriously?ā (god that pay gap tit is embarrassing for her). Please become a better Jack, Jack - you could be useful to the cause if you were a better Jack.
As for her folks and why they keep quiet, I think it really is as simple as that parental instinct to protect their kid (and her kid). Kind of like SBās dad, whose dignity I have to admit a bit of admiration for - heās chosen to keep shtum instead of getting involved in her drama by correcting the record, bless him. To me that means SBās dad has the right priorities because heās putting his kid first, not his ego. Decent lad. Anyway, trying to think of her parentsā perspective, I imagine theyād probably conclude that nothing good would come from defending themselves. I donāt know them personally, but I simply donāt think theyāre the type of people to prioritise their social standing over relationships in their own family. I know Big Dave gets a bit of ribbing here but fundamentally heās a decent bloke, Mrs Dave is meant to be a nice lady too, and theyāre old-school pillars of the community types. I honestly think Mummy and Daddy H are doing what they think is in the best interest of their family, even if that means letting the outside world think they were horrible bastards for leaving poor little Jack and SB to starve in their time of need. They know they didnāt do it, their friends know they didnāt do it, and thatās probably enough for them. Again, I think they really donāt seem like horrible people, they seem like decent, kind, and forgiving people.
And I have to say, if a kid of mine ever did to me what Jackās done to them, if said kid ever made out I was neglectful and cruel ā¦ well, if said kid were in the public eye, Iād probably just do what Ma and Pa H have done, try and smooth it all over and have everything as nice as possible. Alienating your kid by calling them out on their BS, when theyāve built a big public profile and struggle with MH issues, would be a very hard decision to make, and not one a loving parent would be able to make easily. So I can totally understand if thatās the main driver for their silence.
Nighty night frauen. Thank you for the warm welcome. Itās nice to be in the company of others who know the backstory doesnāt add up (and nor do a lot of the other stories). Iām not going to stay up till 4am on Twitter or grunking, even though I havenāt got work in the morning, but hello Jack if you choose to do that. (I do wish you were better Jack. Please get some sleep and think about being better.)
Dear LJC , is your favourite ice cream a Solero ?Sorry itās taken me a while to reply, Iām taking some leave at the mo, and have been spending quality time with my kids because oddly enough I like them more than I like the internet. This morningās post had actually been written over a few days, following a few weeks of occasional grunking after another friend had tipped me off to this site. Anyway my little critters are in bed, housework is done, emails sorted, so now itād be rude not to reply to the best of my ability.
OH probably does exist. I agree with guesses that itās a man, and Iām bi myself so do understand how difficult it would be for Jack to row back on her public lesbianism and announce a relationship with a man. When Iāve had relationships with women, Iāve known absolutely that I never wanted to be with a man again, and then a few years later whoops have had to change my mind because actually there are some lovely men out there and Iāve been attracted to some of them enough to go out with them. (Thank you to sympathetic commenters on previous threads, who have noted that biphobia is a thing and that it makes relationships difficult for those of us whoāve been adamant that weāre 100% gay 4EVA and then later realise we arenāt!) So Iām not going to throw any shade on Jack at all for keeping OH close to her chest and not posting photos or whatever, cos if OH is a man she will undoubtedly get some backlash on socials from some of her more bonkers followers. And although IMO she deserves plenty of tit for plenty of reasons, having a relationship with someone isnāt one of them. We should all be allowed to fall in love with another consenting adult without sniping about our sexuality, so no shade on that. I have an idea of who OH might be - definitely canāt say though, sorry, in case Iām wrong - but if Iām right then heās a lovely chap who works long hours in multiple jobs. Not wealthy. Not the kind of guy youād notice for his looks (either in a good or bad way) but a very kind and good man motivated by good things. The sort of man someone might take advantage of, sure, but equally the sort of man who might bring out the best side in someone. I hope for everyoneās sake that, even if Iām wrong about exactly who OH is, whoever OH actually is can bring out the good side of Jack, cos it looks from her Twitter like she hasnāt half let the bad side take over. But then, Allegra and Louisa both seem like thoroughly lovely, kind, warm people too, and they had no luck with Jack. So weāll see.
Regarding the social circle stuff - I suppose I should be fairly careful ā¦ although tbh thereās not much of substance to it, and I donāt care much if Jack threatens to sue me anyway, because everything is either provably true or an honestly held opinion based on available facts. Iām not gonna be easy to identify from anything I say here, and didnāt sign up with my real email address. (Plus I have no assets and never will have, all my spare money goes in the kidsā savings, so I aināt worth suing as I canāt buy Jack any sofas.)
Anyway without giving identifying detail
One thing it might be useful to bear in mind is that Jack is from a family that, compared to the average family in the UK, is pretty well off (using net household wealth as a measure) ā¦ BUT a good number of Jackās close comparators growing up, because they lived in a nice area AND she went to a grammar school, would have been the kids who were from families even better off than hers, instead of the average family or poorer families. Iām talking the showy yacht club families, in the really big Thorpe Bay Gardens or Cliff Parade houses that even in the early 2000s could cost getting on for a mill or so. Where the dads were in finance and fiddling their taxes to have more ready cash to do up their own houses or build their buy-to-let portfolios, and somehow still found the time to go shagging each otherās wives at the tennis club. (There was a Real Housewives Of Thorpe Bay series opportunity that got missed in the early 2000s!)
Socially the creative arts in town used to be a thriving free-for-all, but lots of it is now dependent on grant funding and that usually goes to quite a small group these days. When it was a free-for-all, there was a lot more social cohesion in the popular scene, and nobody really gave a duck who came from what background. Especially at gigs or pubs or wherever. Through my late teens and 20s, and even early 30s, there were former heroin addicts happily rubbing shoulders with former private school kids, all playing music together and making art; commoners like me getting pissed and pilled up together (and often loved up) with the fine upstanding young men and women whose dads owned property portfolios across the borough. Southend was a pretty decent place socially in a lot of ways, despite there always being a lot of wealth inequality. Itās different now, fewer places to mix with people who arenāt like you.
This is all a very long way of explaining that, yeah Iām sure there were plenty of people who knew Jack was from a comfortable family, but the thing is, nobody actually cared. None of us EVER really cared who came from what background, not in that scene. The only reason people are caring more about her background and her BS now, is because sheās publicly attacking people all over the place, still leveraging her ābut I was a Poorā story, and I think the Lee Anderson thing was a sort of breaking point for some of us. Like, the guy was literally down mines for a living and Jack makes out like she knows more about low pay and hard work than he does? NAH. If she was known to be a hard worker and actually put the hours in on the ground then maybe weād just continue ignoring her BS, but sheās - how to put this politely - not known for her hard work on the ground. Thatās why some of us are going āfucks sake can you believe the state of Jack Monroeā to one another now, when weād never have bothered before. (Even though we might well think Lee Anderson is an arse too. Sorry Lee. Not a fan of your body of work generally, but do agree that cooking and budgeting lessons would be a great idea for lots of people from our sort of background.)
Anyway. The social exclusion stuff is actually a bit simpler/sadder than most of you are probably thinking, and itās just that Jack wasnāt especially cool or well liked. No drama or anything, I just donāt remember anyone in my groups thinking she had much to add. I didnāt. That sounds harsh now, but I donāt know how else to describe it. I personally didnāt give her any thought at all until she got some publicity from The Poverty (which never added up for those of us who knew her, but I was busy at the time pulling myself out of a tit life path, others were all busy having families and losing parents and stuff, and who really cared anyway, right?). After that, sheād pop up in the media occasionally and Iād roll my eyes that nobody had exposed her BS yet. Then would promptly forget about her. Mainly stopped reading the Guardian a few years back, and the Guardian was the only place Jack ever popped up with any regularity. So I just didnāt think about her enough to give a duck. But all this nonsense with Lee Anderson happened recently, and whatever I think of him and the way he is, the way she conducted herself over it finally pissed me off enough to have conversations with friends about her, one of whom told me about this here website.
As someone who truly cares about a lot of the stuff Jack says she cares about, I just wish she would use her powers for good, and put in the time and effort to develop a genuine and solid skillset she could use to have real impact. Itās not helpful for the cause of social justice in this country to have the loudest voices belonging to the Jacks, because it makes it so easy for the other side to go āwell, youāre a liar from a comfortably-off family, not a Poor, why should we believe a word you say?ā and discredit the whole argument. Or they can go ālol you muppet, you donāt even understand that median pay is the only possible useful measure for calculating a pay gap, so youāre clearly not as smart as you think you are, why should we take anything you say seriously?ā (god that pay gap tit is embarrassing for her). Please become a better Jack, Jack - you could be useful to the cause if you were a better Jack.
As for her folks and why they keep quiet, I think it really is as simple as that parental instinct to protect their kid (and her kid). Kind of like SBās dad, whose dignity I have to admit a bit of admiration for - heās chosen to keep shtum instead of getting involved in her drama by correcting the record, bless him. To me that means SBās dad has the right priorities because heās putting his kid first, not his ego. Decent lad. Anyway, trying to think of her parentsā perspective, I imagine theyād probably conclude that nothing good would come from defending themselves. I donāt know them personally, but I simply donāt think theyāre the type of people to prioritise their social standing over relationships in their own family. I know Big Dave gets a bit of ribbing here but fundamentally heās a decent bloke, Mrs Dave is meant to be a nice lady too, and theyāre old-school pillars of the community types. I honestly think Mummy and Daddy H are doing what they think is in the best interest of their family, even if that means letting the outside world think they were horrible bastards for leaving poor little Jack and SB to starve in their time of need. They know they didnāt do it, their friends know they didnāt do it, and thatās probably enough for them. Again, I think they really donāt seem like horrible people, they seem like decent, kind, and forgiving people.
And I have to say, if a kid of mine ever did to me what Jackās done to them, if said kid ever made out I was neglectful and cruel ā¦ well, if said kid were in the public eye, Iād probably just do what Ma and Pa H have done, try and smooth it all over and have everything as nice as possible. Alienating your kid by calling them out on their BS, when theyāve built a big public profile and struggle with MH issues, would be a very hard decision to make, and not one a loving parent would be able to make easily. So I can totally understand if thatās the main driver for their silence.
Nighty night frauen. Thank you for the warm welcome. Itās nice to be in the company of others who know the backstory doesnāt add up (and nor do a lot of the other stories). Iām not going to stay up till 4am on Twitter or grunking, even though I havenāt got work in the morning, but hello Jack if you choose to do that. (I do wish you were better Jack. Please get some sleep and think about being better.)
Oh MAN you realise that some reps (not all reps) get into it just to have the opportunity to rage at management, get het up and thump the table, all with the added āprotectionā that you canāt suspend a union rep quite as easily as the average person, you have to inform the union, they have additional rights protecting them from dismissal relating to union activity. If you had seen some of the things Iāve seen....
This is it, I can totally understand people who keep the peace in order to access their children / grandchildren. The difference here is BIB. There aren't just a few peripheral people who buy into Jack's constant stream of bullshit, and who can be warned off sensitively. She's being lauded by the press, to the public at large, and it has to stop because it's properly horrifying.
And the grass allergy? Because that was the most recent explanation...
Oh I have met some good ones- they donāt last. Either burn out or get complacent.
She's lying about Mini now, again. This is why I dislike her enablers. Allowing her go about her casual animal cruelty is criminal.
Do you really think that if she was fostering Mini she wouldn't have told us? So much about introducing her to the family etc, nothing about her leaving. Right, OK.
Do you really think that if she was fostering Mini she wouldn't have told us? So much about introducing her to the family etc, nothing about her leaving. Right, OK.
I'm definitely feeling burnt out! People don't realise how full on it is, especially as a generalist. 101 things happening all at once.
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I like the nicer stuff now, the engagement stuff. Less drama lolI realise you may have meant the reps there. Its been a long day
Can she go back to making crappy slop that we can all point and laugh at?
I hate politics Jack, I hate high horse Jack, I hate hate hate all this bullshit. She's somehow incredibly dull and frustratingly fascinating. Madness.
This is, I believe, precisely the reason she is allowed to have the platform she does.
If the brambly mice are real sounds like Coops has fuges too
(sad face but looks more like huffy face)- Status