Jack Monroe #178 I am a human being and I make mistakes

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Had no idea Morrissey was gay*! Wonder if his “google alerts” will flag the thread like all the other Pearl clutching z list Twitter journos complaining they got mentioned in passing cos they’re CLEARLY regulars here!! v long sentence sorry x

* not that it matters obviously
 
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I think most musicians I like, and a lot are dead anyway, are in the problematic category. Will I stop listening to them? No. But I certainly won't get into debates about them being lovely men either. Funnily enough, it's often young people who are very passionate about these guys and are prepared to be all UwU about them.
 
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So she has 3 websites none of which are GDPR compliant. Shame squiggle Stuart isn't a tattler. I’d love to see what his lawyer has to say on the matter.
 
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Re: the whole Morrissey debacle. Huge fan as a teen, feel majorly embarrassed about it now. I think it killed any inclination towards fandom for me, I just assume every musician is a prick now. I still love Bowie, but I have no illusions that he was a good guy.

My narc ex was a musician, can’t swipe left fast enough whenever I see a guitar on dating apps now!
 
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I don't understand why you would be embarrassed. He was throwing gladiola around at the time, not swastikas. His lyrics were funny, Marr's riffs were catchy, and there was nothing wrong with singing along at the top of your voice of you wanted to. You can assume musicians are pricks, but I don't think you should ever feel bad for dancing.
 
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Seems Morrissey also sued a couple of people for libel, so there's another similarity with Jack.
 
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This is a nice way of thinking about it @Flibbertigibbet , I got a lot of joy out of my love for The Smiths.
More on topic, this is why I have very little patience with Jack’s Flying Monkeys (or other rabid fans e.g. Michael Jackson fans). Sure, it’s a pisser when someone you’ve idolised turns out to be disappointing, even more so if being a fan has been part of your identity. But just...do some fucking reflection and move on. Stop attacking anyone who triggers any cognitive dissonance. Grow up.
 
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He managed to stick to his principles re: veganism, so that's one thing he's got over Jack.

I do think that as you get older you realise that pretty much every artist is a shit of a human being in some way. Then you end up debating where to draw the line in separating the art from the artist...luckily Jack is a twat AND her writing is terrible and her food is vile, so no problems there.

Thankyou for sharing a bit of your niche! I am so fascinated by this whole area.
 
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I'm sure there will be some sunk cost fallacy in there as well where people invested actual cash in cookbooks, donations, Kickstarter or Patreon subs, and don't want to fully admit to themselves that they've been had. Which is even more of a shame, when people have done so in good faith.
 
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Finally caught up. What a ride. Can’t add anything half as coherent as what’s been said already. Bloody hell.

Mon the Strickland!

Jack is an idiot and the “I’m ill!” defence is very insidious.

Between a health visitor visit, being puked and peed on, I made these :


 
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God, hulme was something else back then, as was Salford precinct. The docks are all lovely now, but for many years they weren't. I went to Salford tech before getting a job at hope hospital where I worked with someone who knew Morrissey's family. They didn't have a great opinion of him even back then.

I think you know where I come from, and a solidly working class family but only a couple of miles away was little Hulton which is where the Salford overspill got dumped after the war and that was a tough area.
 
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