Zombies, as the great Billy Connolly said you get drunk from the legs up. Only tried them once I was perfectly lucid (well I thought I was) just couldn’t get my legs to work. Mr SM doesn’t drink, he doesn’t like the taste. Some people take it as a personal insult when he asks for a soft drink and think he’s out to spoil the party.
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I've really enjoyed (not sure if the correct word, but y'know...) this thread of conversation.
@Vanelope I had a fairly similar experience to you in my late teens and early 20's with friends. I don't do drugs, and whilst I do drink (and enjoy the rare drunken night out) on the whole might drink once or twice a year? Which to a lot of people I know of my age and older think is bizarre.
When my mental health was obviously getting worse, I made an active decision to stop drinking for about a year as I had previously found myself on a slippery path, and my mother is an alcoholic. I knew the signs and saw that I was replacing my depression with cheap vodka, and ultimately ending the night crying myself home anyway. This is the exact same cycle I saw in my Mother and I refuse to repeat it.
I'm quite lucky in the sense that I have never been easily swayed by what other choose to do, or can be influenced to do things I do not want, but I know had I not had that strength within myself my life could be completely fucked up by now. (I'm not trying to imply weakness, just my obstinacy had a positive effect for me).
But also the part about how friends cannot get together without relying on drugs (especially) and alcohol? It's really sad, and certainly ruined a good few nights out for me, and stopped me participating too.
And @heretoreaditall2019 your posts are always so brutally honest, and I really love that. Also a certified neek here, and I wouldn't have it any other way. And you're completely correct that a problem isn't just a problem once you've self-imploded, and measuring these things against those who are at the far end of the scale only normalises unhealthy behaviour.
Thank you all for sharing, and for being honest. Our society is more than a bit tit when it comes to drink and drug culture and what should be seen as "acceptable".
Oh yeah, and all the gin mummies stuff and "when you turned up at the picnic with just monster munch and prosecco I knew we would be friends" tit on facebook, as if non drinkers and people who want to supervise their kids properly are all booooring. So immature. I spent enough of my 20s trying to substitute alcohol for my personality, I'm done with that!
I've never drunk (don't like the taste & also I live 15 miles away from everyone else so I always have to drive) and I'm so glad I don't have the sort of friends who judge and pressurise for not drinking (although a good friend pointed out one Christmas that I was on my second or third pint of real Coke of the night and did I realise how bad it was to drink that much sugar? Sure, but I only do it once or twice a year!)
Nobody should have to justify a lifestyle choice to anyone anybody else but it does feel like alcohol is like the sketch from Chewing the fat , son v doesn’t drink & is always questioned about it- is his business nobody else, that doesn’t create buzz on SM so as you say jack had to have worst ever experience which she wailed and clawed through against all odds. With the old chestnut of having the last laugh/everyone clapped etc etc
Anyone who drinks prosecco has a drink problem.
I mean 3 pints of coke is *probably* too much... (god knows how you slept after all that caffeine?!) but most alcohol is also full of sugar!
@Legionnairess what Harry says is my experience with someone close, unless they want to make a change they won’t and will find reasons/excuses. All you can do really is not enable them . So worrying though x
I love it when the thread takes a detour like this and everyone shares their experiences 
really interesting to hear all of your experiences. I used to drink quite heavily in social situations as I was very socially anxious but now that I am older I feel less concerned about it, not that I've got less anxious I don't think, more that I can tolerate the awkwardness of myself a bit better 
now I just drink very rarely, less than once a month I'd say, when I actually fancy a glass of something with dinner.
really interesting to hear all of your experiences. I used to drink quite heavily in social situations as I was very socially anxious but now that I am older I feel less concerned about it, not that I've got less anxious I don't think, more that I can tolerate the awkwardness of myself a bit better now I just drink very rarely, less than once a month I'd say, when I actually fancy a glass of something with dinner.
I drink quite heavily when I'm out, but definitely cut down over the years. Not for any particular reason, I just don't think drinking is worth the calories when I could have cheese instead. I don't really drink at home, maybe one glass of wine or one gin a month.
However I am having a slight issue where I've now taken some sort of reaction to alcohol 3 times. At first I thought it was because it was a cheap premade one. Then I thought it was the food colouring in a cocktail. However the most recent one was because of a really nice bottle of wine! It wasn't even reduced in Tesco! Weirdest thing was I had a glass of the same wine (different bottle) the previous month and was fine. Very weird.
I was so annoyed and my face was so sore. (Admittedly I just took an antihistamine and finished the glass). I still have most of the bottle in the fridge so I made a really nice risotto last night
However I am having a slight issue where I've now taken some sort of reaction to alcohol 3 times. At first I thought it was because it was a cheap premade one. Then I thought it was the food colouring in a cocktail. However the most recent one was because of a really nice bottle of wine! It wasn't even reduced in Tesco! Weirdest thing was I had a glass of the same wine (different bottle) the previous month and was fine. Very weird.
I was so annoyed and my face was so sore. (Admittedly I just took an antihistamine and finished the glass). I still have most of the bottle in the fridge so I made a really nice risotto last night
I make an effort not to drink much alcohol during the week when I'm at work, but I'm not that anal about sticking to that. I've found that I drink less when I'm working lates though (which I usually do), probably because I get home at like 1am. The last couple of weeks I've been working more "normal" hours, and have found I've had a drink more days after work. I think I've been eating healthier though, so swings and roundabouts, in some ways, I guess.
I know several people who don't drink for various reasons, and honestly it makes no difference in how they socialise. I suspect it might even become more common actually.
I know several people who don't drink for various reasons, and honestly it makes no difference in how they socialise. I suspect it might even become more common actually.
omg I was about to ask about the reaction! was it a face/neck rash? I have no allergy to anything else, but for a few years in my late 20s sometimes (but weirdly not always) when I drank I got a rash, now my sister who is a similar age is suffering the same! I haven't had it in years, so bizarreI drink quite heavily when I'm out, but definitely cut down over the years. Not for any particular reason, I just don't think drinking is worth the calories when I could have cheese instead. I don't really drink at home, maybe one glass of wine or one gin a month.
However I am having a slight issue where I've now taken some sort of reaction to alcohol 3 times. At first I thought it was because it was a cheap premade one. Then I thought it was the food colouring in a cocktail. However the most recent one was because of a really nice bottle of wine! It wasn't even reduced in Tesco! Weirdest thing was I had a glass of the same wine (different bottle) the previous month and was fine. Very weird.
I was so annoyed and my face was so sore. (Admittedly I just took an antihistamine and finished the glass). I still have most of the bottle in the fridge so I made a really nice risotto last night
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Jack can't cook, won't cook and shan't cook (for me at any rate).
Jack can't cook, won't cook and shan't cook (for me at any rate).
I've never been a big drinker either as I'm a total lightweight but I do enjoy an occasional glass of wine. I find soft drinks very addictive though. Most of them contain sucralose which I can't tolerate but the premium brands have real sugar and really nice flavours and at one stage I was going through a bottle a day. I was depressed at that time and definitely using that and binge eating as a coping mechanism. There is very little help for that though. Gp didn't take me seriously even though it is detrimental for health as well. Obviously alcohol is worse and having had an alcoholic parent and grandparents (Scottish so very much the culture up here but less so on the Swedish side) it put me off alcohol as well. I despised the behavioural changes in people more than anything. Men in particular become lecherous or aggressive. When I was a student it was out of the ordinary to not drink and the pressure in Edinburgh to get rat arsed is huge. I hated it and it was women as well as men applying the pressure. A night out without getting drunk was not seen as fun even though they could be. The pubs and clubs around the campuses don't help either, lots of freshers pub crawls and student happy hours really help to cement that drinking culture. Its actually horrible. I'm married to a Scot and there are alcoholics in his family which has contributed to his being not big on drink either. He likes really strong whisky but I could count on one hand the amount of times per year that he imbibes. Men in particular are expected to drink great quantities so it becomes both peer, cultural and societal pressure. It's not easy to avoid it if you have a problem 
totally OT , but is anyone else hoping (now that ready steady cook is back) that can't cook, won't cook will be reviived? I feel like it is the mindless entertainment we all need atmMore facts:
Jack can't cook, won't cook and shan't cook (for me at any rate).
I've never been a big drinker either as I'm a total lightweight but I do enjoy an occasional glass of wine. I find soft drinks very addictive though. Most of them contain sucralose which I can't tolerate but the premium brands have real sugar and really nice flavours and at one stage I was going through a bottle a day. I was depressed at that time and definitely using that and binge eating as a coping mechanism. There is very little help for that though. Gp didn't take me seriously even though it is detrimental for health as well. Obviously alcohol is worse and having had an alcoholic parent and grandparents (Scottish so very much the culture up here but less so on the Swedish side) it put me off alcohol as well. I despised the behavioural changes in people more than anything. Men in particular become lecherous or aggressive. When I was a student it was out of the ordinary to not drink and the pressure in Edinburgh to get rat arsed is huge. I hated it and it was women as well as men applying the pressure. A night out without getting drunk was not seen as fun even though they could be. The pubs and clubs around the campuses don't help either, lots of freshers pub crawls and student happy hours really help to cement that drinking culture. Its actually horrible. I'm married to a Scot and there are alcoholics in his family which has contributed to his being not big on drink either. He likes really strong whisky but I could count on one hand the amount of times per year that he imbibes. Men in particular are expected to drink great quantities so it becomes both peer, cultural and societal pressure. It's not easy to avoid it if you have a problem
There is a huge culture in my family for having a glass or two of wine a day. Never any more, so it is moderation to an extent, but you can tell they don't like it when they can't have jt for whatever reason! I grew up thinking it was normal to drink every day because of this. When I really don't think it is?
I didn't really drink much in my teens or early twenties aside from when I binge drunk on nights out. Now I drink more often but less. Ive probably had a hangover twice since last March. However, I can tell that I too have a created a habbit where I want a glass (or two) of wine or a bottle of beer to unwind after a long day or tough day, rather than doing something else to relax. Made all the worse by Covid and Winter where there really has been not much to do in the evenings that does help you switch off from your screen. I think right now it's just a habit, but one I need to break.
I didn't really drink much in my teens or early twenties aside from when I binge drunk on nights out. Now I drink more often but less. Ive probably had a hangover twice since last March. However, I can tell that I too have a created a habbit where I want a glass (or two) of wine or a bottle of beer to unwind after a long day or tough day, rather than doing something else to relax. Made all the worse by Covid and Winter where there really has been not much to do in the evenings that does help you switch off from your screen. I think right now it's just a habit, but one I need to break.
I am very much your typical binge drinker. I never drink at home and I never drink in moderation! If I am out, I am outout and end up twatted. Happens maybe 8-10 times a year, max.
The problem is that because I am also the size and weight of a house, i can easily put away 4 bottles of wine before I start to feel tipsy. 10-12 pints of lager is fairly easy too with no hangover.
So it's not cheap and it is definitely not healthy!!
The problem is that because I am also the size and weight of a house, i can easily put away 4 bottles of wine before I start to feel tipsy. 10-12 pints of lager is fairly easy too with no hangover.
So it's not cheap and it is definitely not healthy!!
Might be sulphites? I have a friend who has to read labelsI drink quite heavily when I'm out, but definitely cut down over the years. Not for any particular reason, I just don't think drinking is worth the calories when I could have cheese instead. I don't really drink at home, maybe one glass of wine or one gin a month.
However I am having a slight issue where I've now taken some sort of reaction to alcohol 3 times. At first I thought it was because it was a cheap premade one. Then I thought it was the food colouring in a cocktail. However the most recent one was because of a really nice bottle of wine! It wasn't even reduced in Tesco! Weirdest thing was I had a glass of the same wine (different bottle) the previous month and was fine. Very weird.
I was so annoyed and my face was so sore. (Admittedly I just took an antihistamine and finished the glass). I still have most of the bottle in the fridge so I made a really nice risotto last night
Erm...I like prosecco. I also like champagne but I don't drink much so tend to buy the dinky bottles you get at the supermarket once in a while. I can't drink non sparkling wine as I get awful heartburn.
Never been a huge drinker apart from a couple of misguided, multiple cocktail, fueled nights in my 20s and 30s. Now I have two children and live in the sticks so drive too and from nights out so just have an occasional drink of fizz or a cocktail. Have to say Cava is much nicer than prosecco! Absolute favourite drink is an aperol spritz
I am grunking and have just come here to say that I'm kind of disappointed that I've got all of Tuesday, Wednesday and today to go and only 50 pages to go.
I am hopeful though that she has managed to not piss anyone else off...
I am hopeful though that she has managed to not piss anyone else off...
This is a lot like me, but also like others have said upthread, I have never tried recreational drugs because I have a tendency to have no off switch when I find something I enjoy. I have a friend of a similar persuasion, his wife and my husband don't drink and we have very similar family backgrounds with regard to education, earnings, class, and drinking, so we chat about where it all fits in. He drinks a lot more than me in frequency and in quantity and I know it'll be having a long term impact on his physical and mental health but he knows that too, I just try to model moderation, healthy habits and lots of non-judgement. He has rules like he never drinks before Thursdays in the week, and I have my own rules that I've had to work out and put in place for myself - no phone after 2 drinks, no drinking at all when in sole charge of a child or in a workplace environment, no drinking to excess in a public space etc, I am glad I have the sense and life experience to have worked these out by my 40s but it would be much better if my parents or PSHE lessons or even an older colleague had taught me this at some point in time.I love it when the thread takes a detour like this and everyone shares their experiences
Having said that, life's hard and we're all getting through it as best we can - the weight of cultural expectations is heavy when it comes to alcohol, it can't be underestimated. I also like it when the threads get to musing over this kind of thing. But I'm also quite excited that the FULL WORM MOON IS COMING.
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