Ioan Gruffudd and Alice Evans #2 From the frying pan into the fire, don’t risk your ex’s Ire!

[ReturningthePearls]

Don’t forget, his status quo is preserved - off gallivanting round the globe acting, whilst his wife stays at home and has to cope with the fall out. He doesn’t want to nor does he have to engage in the fallout.

I don’t personally believe that being geographically distant from the other partner necessarily means the person at home is facing greater difficulty than the person abroad. Our problems almost always permeate our realities in each passing moment; problems are piercing and disruptive like that, as you probably understand already. There’s no way for any of us to decide that he’s not struggling between takes, that memorizing scripts when he’s alone isn’t more challenging, that dressing up in a suit for a ceremony isn’t a burden these days. I wonder, is “gallivanting” really the most suitable word? Do we know he’s just out here on the prowl for pleasure and fun-times? I mean, Alice is in the home, yes, but she has always been in the home. Ioan is absent, yes, but he has always been absent—that’s the crux of acting. I try to think they’re suffering in contrasting but still equally significant ways.

 

[bluecandle]

As I scrolled through his pictures on Getty images, I only noticed something very peculiar - unlike the other actors displayed next to him, he never changes his facial expression. His smile looks frozen in every picture. He looks almost like a wax figure at Madame Tussauds.

The infamous Botox AE made sure to tell everyone he gets, maybe?

I wondered if he kept his hands mostly behind his back to avoid tabloid rumors about him and any new costars (like there were about him and Ella Newton) if he had placed a friendly arm around anyone. Or yet another article pointing out that he’s not wearing his ring (of course he wouldn’t be, but I’m sure we all remember the tabloids pointing it out in every new paparazzi photo taken post-separation). I do think he bites his nails too as I’ve noticed in a film they looked chewed down before.

 

[IHateHadargoyle]

As I scrolled through his pictures on Getty images, I only noticed something very peculiar - unlike the other actors displayed next to him, he never changes his facial expression. His smile looks frozen in every picture. He looks almost like a wax figure at Madame Tussauds.

He looks like he’s going through the motions as if on autopilot. And he hasn’t worn his ring for a long time because like you said, why would he?
I feel an extreme amount of sympathy for him. He no doubt dreads coming home and dealing with more of her crap while at the same time wanting to see his daughters or daughter in this case.
The fact that he had to get a litigator for the divorce means AE is being very unreasonable in her demands. Surprise, surprise.

 

[bluecandle]

I haven’t been following the ins and outs of this particularly, but my observation as someone that has read the email and read a few of AE’s tweets:-

-IG isn’t present as a father, clearly hasn’t been for a while, if we believe what AE has described.
- his email re the Wizard, should have been written on the Wizard? No?
- he overreacted to AE trying to facilitate a conversation over FaceTime about their daughter’s school.

All of the above screams selfish man child to me. He doesn’t want to engage with or about his children. Condescendingly asks AE to use the Wizard to communicate, but it’s ok for him to send her an email asking her to do this.

Don’t forget, his status quo is preserved - off gallivanting round the globe acting, whilst his wife stays at home and has to cope with the fall out. He doesn’t want to nor does he have to engage in the fallout.

That aside, AE’s reaction is, to me, typical of someone who has been the victim of emotional abuse. She has a strange obsessive bond to IG, and her reaction is of someone who is the victim of that person breaking that bond on his own terms.

AE needs to use what strength she has left, stop with the public posts, and rebuild her life on her terms. I feel very sorry for her. I also can see why she may not have been easy to live with, but I do wonder why…

I don’t recall AE ever truly complaining about IG as a father prior to the separation. She likes to remind everyone how much he’s been away (working) and that’s shes taken care of them herself (with a five day a week, 8 hour a day nanny…), but he seemed pretty attentive when he was home (loads of cute pictures and video clips posted to her Instagram in which you can see how much the girls adore him) and I remember her posting “thanks for working so hard for our family! We’re so lucky to have you” in the not so distant past.

So I take what she says about the relationship with him and the girls post separation with a grain of salt because 1. I have no reason to believe he went from loving father to someone who doesn’t wish to engage with his children and 2 her story is ever changing. She implies he doesn’t see them at all, but corrects to say he does seem them multiple times a week at his house (the eldest began refusing to see him there and AE supports that). also remember her complaining on video about collaborative, something about if he was supposed to have them but she wanted to keep them home she was going to do

She said he doesn’t seem to care to reach out, then complains that his DAILY texts are too generic, and I’ve seen her complain twice about him reacting negatively when he’s been on FaceTime with them and she walks in (most recently chimes in).

To me it seems he doesn’t want to engage in what would probably be a very accusatory, unproductive, hostile phone/FaceTime conversation with ALICE at this time. Since he can’t see them in person right now (again. Because he’s working. Someone needs to provide), he wants the communication he does have with the girls to be as pleasant as possible and uninterrupted. What’s wrong with that?

he didn’t say he was unwilling to discuss the children. He asked her to follow what’s been agreed upon (whether she wanted it or liked it or not) and message him through Wizard (which I believe he did. That screen capture doesn’t look like any email I’ve ever seen). Sad they can’t speak on the phone or in person at this time but I believe her behaviors caused him to draw that line. With the way she goes off online I can only image how she’d be speaking to him directly. That wouldn’t be a healthy way of communicating.

has AE been somehow abused? Maybe. Or maybe he has. Maybe they’ve been abusive to each other. Who knows. The relationship is certainly toxic at this point, we can all see that, and I’m sure it’s not easy for either (any) of them.

 

[IHateHadargoyle]

I don’t recall AE ever truly complaining about IG as a father prior to the separation. She likes to remind everyone how much he’s been away (working) and that’s shes taken care of them herself (with a five day a week, 8 hour a day nanny…), but he seemed pretty attentive when he was home (loads of cute pictures and video clips posted to her Instagram in which you can see how much the girls adore him) and I remember her posting “thanks for working so hard for our family! We’re so lucky to have you” in the not so distant past.

So I take what she says about the relationship with him and the girls post separation with a grain of salt because 1. I have no reason to believe he went from loving father to someone who doesn’t wish to engage with his children and 2 her story is ever changing. She implies he doesn’t see them at all, but corrects to say he does seem them multiple times a week at his house (the eldest began refusing to see him there and AE supports that). also remember her complaining on video about collaborative, something about if he was supposed to have them but she wanted to keep them home she was going to do

She said he doesn’t seem to care to reach out, then complains that his DAILY texts are too generic, and I’ve seen her complain twice about him reacting negatively when he’s been on FaceTime with them and she walks in (most recently chimes in).

To me it seems he doesn’t want to engage in what would probably be a very accusatory, unproductive, hostile phone/FaceTime conversation with ALICE at this time. Since he can’t see them in person right now (again. Because he’s working. Someone needs to provide), he wants the communication he does have with the girls to be as pleasant as possible and uninterrupted. What’s wrong with that?

he didn’t say he was unwilling to discuss the children. He asked her to follow what’s been agreed upon (whether she wanted it or liked it or not) and message him through Wizard (which I believe he did. That screen capture doesn’t look like any email I’ve ever seen). Sad they can’t speak on the phone or in person at this time but I believe her behaviors caused him to draw that line. With the way she goes off online I can only image how she’d be speaking to him directly. That wouldn’t be a healthy way of communicating.

has AE been somehow abused? Maybe. Or maybe he has. Maybe they’ve been abusive to each other. Who knows. The relationship is certainly toxic at this point, we can all see that, and I’m sure it’s not easy for either (any) of them.

If AE has been abused I imagine it was before she ever met IG.

 

[bluecandle]

Thanks for sharing this!

I dunno, it does read like a young, frustrated person who’s struggling with maintaining a good reputation/camaraderie with his supporters, and defending his fiancée.

I personally would have stood more firmly by something along the message of, “Alice has read some commentary on here about her outfits and I understand it’s all in good humor but it does hurt her so we’d really appreciate if y’all didn’t do that going forward and just continue being the incredible and generous community you’ve always been.”

…I don’t know, something to that effect. I think pulling site funding and basically shutting tit down was a little aggressive and kind of a golden cyber-middle finger that probably shattered a few souls out there lol. (Can’t blame ‘em, of course—I like Ioan so any message along those lines would have knocked me on my ass in disbelief.)

Which DOES lead me to believe that AE was banging around in his noggin trying to get him to unleash HER wrath, not as much his. Not to say it didn’t matter to Ioan but, let’s be real, the hottest fire blazes from the fists of Alice Evans.

I agree with you and think IG was “damned if he did, damned if he didn’t.” Don’t address the fans- never hear the end of it from AE. Send the email- upset the fans. I’m sure she was constantly in his ear about how horribly she was being treated because she seems very dramatic. They’re changing my wiki calling me an escort! I’m being asked about it in interviews and it’s embarrassing! It might cost me jobs! They’re calling my agent badmouthing me! They tear apart my appearance! They don’t think I’m good enough for you! They send threatening letters! I’m at my wits end!!!!! Don’t you care??? Help me!!!

So he wrote the letter (or sent a letter from his email that she wrote, whichever), because he did care and also probably hoped he wouldn’t have to hear about it anymore once he did. But that wasn’t good enough. There’s no doubt in my mind she either wanted strict control of the boards from that point forward or for it to be shut down entirely, and that’s what ended up happening when he pulled funding.

and she STILL complains about how he wouldn’t stand up for her to her liking because he felt he needed his fans and didn’t want to alienate anyone or be “cancelled.” Said he and his family are very image conscious. She called him a pussy (I really think that was probably the lynch pin in the marriage. He put up with her online antics for years but it just kept ramping up and when she said that, he was done. Stuck around for awhile, but I’m betting that REALLY set him off).

And she’s once again costing him fans and tarnishing his name with her refusal to keep their private issues off the internet. I’m not surprised by the behavior one bit. It’s who she is. It’s just a shame, because I feel like it’s ultimately cost her the “love of her life.” He probably put up with it in the beginning because he was a bit blinded by love and had hopes she’d mellow out in the future but instead she’s gotten worse, and he’s had enough. Can’t say I blame him.

 

[ReturningthePearls]

and she STILL complains about how he wouldn’t stand up for her to her liking because he felt he needed his fans and didn’t want to alienate anyone or be “cancelled.” Said he and his family are very image conscious. She called him a pussy (I really think that was probably the lynch pin in the marriage. He put up with her online antics for years but it just kept ramping up and when she said that, he was done. Stuck around for awhile, but I’m betting that REALLY set him off).

I have heard about the “pussy” remark a couple of times but I actually have no clue what the context was. I don’t even remember seeing it on her socials. Was it intended as a joke that he (understandably) took offense to regardless? Or was she intentionally disparaging his character? Wonder when this was…

 

[HappyCamper9864]

I think Lupine once said that love is a hormon induced illusion and that people should always go for identity over family. So I'm not really surprised that he prefers somebody to make a point ("Silence Breaker") even if it means completely destroying themselves (embarassing yourself, humiliating the kids and their father in public, possibly cancelling the fathers income, severing relationships for good, etc.)

Haha, right! So doesn't he know that applies both ways? Doesn't Ioan deserve his own identity?

She probably wrote it and made him publish it. It has the same dramatic flowery language she likes to use.

She's been accused of that but claims that even though she's written stuff for him before she did not write that one.

 

[IHateHadargoyle]

Wow, just got back from reading the comments about the Twitter drama Queen on Celebitchy and they’re downright scary.
A couple of them are from family law attorneys. https://www.celebitchy.com/737099/a...udd_has_ghosted_her_for_nine_months/#comments

 

[HappyCamper9864]

The infamous Botox AE made sure to tell everyone he gets, maybe?

I wondered if he kept his hands mostly behind his back to avoid tabloid rumors about him and any new costars (like there were about him and Ella Newton) if he had placed a friendly arm around anyone. Or yet another article pointing out that he’s not wearing his ring (of course he wouldn’t be, but I’m sure we all remember the tabloids pointing it out in every new paparazzi photo taken post-separation). I do think he bites his nails too as I’ve noticed in a film they looked chewed down before.

I hate the botox/makeup comments she and her FMs make. What's the big deal? So many males in an kind of showbiz do this. Michael Keaton was on either Kimmel or Fallon last week and he sure looks like he's has some work done! It's very common! And the makeup thing? Maybe not as common outside of the L.A. area but likely fairly common in Hollywood, etc.

They, AE and FMs, just enjoy finding any excuse to be like 6th grade girls in the schoolyard throwing shade at the cool, good-looking kid whose attention they can't get.

 

[bluecandle]

I have heard about the “pussy” remark a couple of times but I actually have no clue what the context was. I don’t even remember seeing it on her socials. Was it intended as a joke that he (understandably) took offense to regardless? Or was she intentionally disparaging his character? Wonder when this was…

No, it absolutely wasn’t intended as a joke. I believe she had been fighting with people with opposing political views & IG wasn’t in favor of her doing so, fearing it would be held against him (since not everyone in the business feels the way Alice feels about certain people in politics).

I hate the botox/makeup comments she and her FMs make. What's the big deal? So many males in an kind of showbiz do this. Michael Keaton was on either Kimmel or Fallon last week and he sure looks like he's has some work done! It's very common! And the makeup thing? Maybe not as common outside of the L.A. area but likely fairly common in Hollywood, etc.

They, AE and FMs, just enjoy finding any excuse to be like 6th grade girls in the schoolyard throwing shade at the cool, good-looking kid whose attention they can't get.

You’re absolutely right. She even followed up her listing off his procedures by saying “just like every man over 40 in Hollywood has done!” From what I remember she was responding to someone saying her comment about the little one possibly inheriting his big nose was uncalled for. The person seemed to me to be taking shots at AE, saying IG has a naturally handsome face and none of the lip filler or Botox someone else (AE) seems to have. AE replied along the lines of “that’s hilarious considering he’s had x, y, & z done!” and went on to say she HAD to keep up with her injections and maintain her weight because he hated when she’d gain (though she tweeted 2 or so years back that she’d lost weight at one point and he told her she looked TOO thin ).

It was unnecessary to divulge that information, especially if it is something that embarrasses him. I don’t think it should. But I have a feeling it does and she knows it, and chose to disclose it to spite him

 

[IHateHadargoyle]

Is anyone else feeling upset about this situation? I am and I can’t understand why other than just having empathy. I don’t know them and I’ve never followed them. I do very much like Hornblower, Forever, and Harrow but that doesn’t explain why I am unable to distance myself from this drama.

 

[NorthernValkyrie]

Wow, just got back from reading the comments about the Twitter drama Queen on Celebitchy and they’re downright scary.
A couple of them are from family law attorneys. https://www.celebitchy.com/737099/a...udd_has_ghosted_her_for_nine_months/#comments

Great find!
This comment from the lawyer, Kerfuffles: "If it were a man demanding his estranged spouse communicate with him in the manner he demanded, it would rightfully be viewed as misplaced entitlement at best and dangerous stalking and harassment at worst."
So true.

Nice to know we're not in an echo chamber here

 

[bluecandle]

Great find!
This comment from the lawyer, Kerfuffles: "If it were a man demanding his estranged spouse communicate with him in the manner he demanded, it would rightfully be viewed as misplaced entitlement at best and dangerous stalking and harassment at worst."
So true.

Nice to know we're not in an echo chamber here

It is a great point. If AE had left IG and he was ranting online and bashing her, he’d be viewed as obsessive and probably even threatening. I doubt many would be saying “oh, poor man. He’s just been blindsided! This is a very normal reaction! Keep blasting her Ioan! Don’t let her get away with leaving you!!!”

 

[Mustard]

Someone on that site said AE’s best friend is Piers Morgan’s wife which is why all those stories are getting in the Mail.

 

[welp]

lol she has now deleted the tweets about the wizard thing (at least the main ones)

Someone on that site said AE’s best friend is Piers Morgan’s wife which is why all those stories are getting in the Mail.

not really convinced of that. They are also friends with him, but who knows.

I have heard about the “pussy” remark a couple of times but I actually have no clue what the context was. I don’t even remember seeing it on her socials. Was it intended as a joke that he (understandably) took offense to regardless? Or was she intentionally disparaging his character? Wonder when this was…

Back in july 2020 after Alice was a complete nutcase all year on twitter and got multiple times called out for it, even by bigger names, and even bigger names questioning him for not doing anything against the BS his wife is writing or at least reacting disappointed to the fact that his wife has these views which automatically reflects badly on him (I remember at least Franklin Leonard and Lesley-Ann Brandt liking and retweeting tweets like this) he apparently asked her to discuss with her the possibility to close her twitter, well, or at least that's what Alice tweeted about. The dude got MURDERED in the replies then, you can check them out in twitter if you search for "until:2020-07-15 (or 2020-07-16 depending on timezones) aliceevansgruff", it was one of her tweets with the most engagement she had, many people even advised her to leave him (lol). A few people were suggesting the possibility that he is asking this to protect her and her well-being though. After she went silent for a day (and deleted the original tweet) I was expecting her to support that idea but she flat out said that he doesnt care about her, only about his career and that he is a pussy for being scared that writing his opinion on twitter could get him cancelled etc. you can find her tweets on my giant write up on the old thread if you are interested (but somebody shared two of them already up here) https://tattle.life/threads/ioan-gruffudd-alice-evans.16444/page-2#post-4363283

I was shocked, hence why I'm not buying it that this whole tit came out of the blue, obviously this relationship was going south long before this. Given the timing I still suspect that this was the straw that broke the camel's back.

It is a great point. If AE had left IG and he was ranting online and bashing her, he’d be viewed as obsessive and probably even threatening. I doubt many would be saying “oh, poor man. He’s just been blindsided! This is a very normal reaction! Keep blasting her Ioan! Don’t let her get away with leaving you!!!”

EXACTLY

Is anyone else feeling upset about this situation? I am and I can’t understand why other than just having empathy. I don’t know them and I’ve never followed them. I do very much like Hornblower, Forever, and Harrow but that doesn’t explain why I am unable to distance myself from this drama.

Not upset at all here. This is a very interesting case study for me. I've never seen a celeb break up being this public by the couple itself (or well, one part of it). It's natural to be interested in this.

 

[Captainmouse]

I’ve been watching this and the last thread more out of curiosity. Her and her husband are vaguely known to the masses.
All I can say is Hi Alice

Not even vaguely in my case I had never heard of her, wouldn’t know her if I passed her in the street, but she had been mentioned elsewhere so I dropped in. Like most SM users she hates that she can’t control the narrative, that why all the railing against tattle, which of course drives more traffic, which is not what she wants. They all threaten yawn yawn.

 

[What's your point]

Is anyone else feeling upset about this situation? I am and I can’t understand why other than just having empathy. I don’t know them and I’ve never followed them. I do very much like Hornblower, Forever, and Harrow but that doesn’t explain why I am unable to distance myself from this drama.

Not upset at all here. Sad for the little girls caught in the crossfire but AE should have kept her mouth shut and had some dignity instead of bad mouthing their dad ar every opportunity.

I am not a IG fan at all find him a but too suave but from all accounts his marriage sounds pretty toxic and he did the right thing getting out.

The day I feel upset over a celeb break up is the day I step away from the gossip pages.

 

[HandTmum]

It’s upsetting that at the end of the day a family has split up and those two little girls are in the centre of it. It has similarities to my parents divorce but without the sm! My mum took it very badly and seemed to
behave very incredibly irrationally at times, we were in our teens and at the time thought our father was a saint. Looking back now we realise she was just very hurt and did some things she regrets, however he was clearly not the person we thought he was back then either.

It’s hard to step away from the drama of this all playing out though, I’m very invested. I explained it all to my boyfriend last night, it took a while.

 

[WhoaDang]

It is a great point. If AE had left IG and he was ranting online and bashing her, he’d be viewed as obsessive and probably even threatening. I doubt many would be saying “oh, poor man. He’s just been blindsided! This is a very normal reaction! Keep blasting her Ioan! Don’t let her get away with leaving you!!!”

Right. If the roles were reverse, his career would be over by now and he wouldn't have gotten the part he is filming right now.