She certainly isnt looking as great as she used to (while he does imo) and there is a lot styling-wise she can improve. But for a 53 year old (that's her real age, she made herself younger when she and Ioan started dating) she looks fantastic. And even if she wouldn't, who cares?
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That’s interesting.
I think writing about Ioan would be ill-advised. He has established a solid reputation over many years, I don’t think a tome detailing the horrific way he didn’t enjoy taking selfies with her will resonate with many.
Sidenote, the photo thing really annoys me. My husband takes too many photos & it IS extremely irritating so I’ve always taken note of the slightly hunted expression in Ioan’s eyes
A major difference is my husband would never post photos of me without my consent.
Writing about her life pre-marriage could be good for her, she always seemed to find too much of her identity in Ioan.
I wouldn’t read it though.
Three years younger? I wonder why. It doesn’t matter but it’s a bit funny.
Yes, he’s one of those men who just get better looking. Good for his industry, perhaps uncomfortable for Alice to grow old next to
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Just a thought related to the victim comment. I agree with her making herself out to be a victim. My friend who went through hell with a Borderline wife (is now remarried to a wonderful woman, not me), told me about a term called D.A.R.V.O. Which stands for
- Deny
- Attack
- Reverse Victim and Offender
The "Deny" part of this situation is not directly visible because we are not seeing comments or behavior from Ioan to which she would have to deny. I suspect he's too good for that. Not the kind of person who continually insults his wife in public. She has deleted so many tweets and yinstagram posts (over several YEARS) where she makes passive-aggressive comments but they're still out there in screenshots. And anyone it half a brain can recognize them.
Thanks for listening. This is a sad, interesting case study for many a college psych class. Last minute thought. Most divorce courts order both parents to attend a parenting class. The have to prove they've gone at some point during the divorce proceedings. This is where they learn that they will DAMAGE THEIR CHILDREN if they talk about adult things as if the children are adults. How to say things and what NOT to say. And the extreme damage that parental alienation causes. I also would bet that she has been doing this for years before the split! I'm so frustrated for him.
Thank you for taking the time to write that, it’s very interesting.
I know. Me too. Earlier this week I wondered why I was feeling so emotional about a very private issue in a public persons life (I’ve never posted in a public forum in my life & rarely take interest in celebrities.)
I think it was because in Alice, I saw a broken person who traumatised me (as a young child & 20 years later when he re-emerged), and it was triggering.
The injustice of seeing a good man’s name dragged through mud and all the pain that is associated with this kind of abuse is maddening - especially if we know a little of what that feels like.
I can’t imagine the stress of also having the role of protector/provider but I think Ioan has already shown the world the kind of man he is.
I really do think he’ll be come out of this to much better days.
Those of us being reminded of our own traumas probably just need to have a cup of tea & calm the heck down…
I thought she just turned 50. Did she actually change her age for showbiz?
Funny but insightful post.Thank you for taking the time to write that, it’s very interesting.
I know. Me too. Earlier this week I wondered why I was feeling so emotional about a very private issue in a public persons life (I’ve never posted in a public forum in my life & rarely take interest in celebrities.)
I think it was because in Alice, I saw a broken person who traumatised me (as a young child & 20 years later when he re-emerged), and it was triggering.
The injustice of seeing a good man’s name dragged through mud and all the pain that is associated with this kind of abuse is maddening - especially if we know a little of what that feels like.
I can’t imagine the stress of also having the role of protector/provider but I think Ioan has already shown the world the kind of man he is.
I really do think he’ll be come out of this to much better days.
Those of us being reminded of our own traumas probably just need to have a cup of tea & calm the heck down…
But you're right, seeing or hearing about a story like this often has us reflecting into ourselves. It's definitely much easier to think with a level head when it's not you going through it. I do remember how my gut felt when my husband told me he wanted a divorce and he didn't love me anymore. Most of us have had at least a similar pain. I absolutely agree that Ioan has already shown the world what kind of man he is. I can't find one negative comment about the man anywhere on the internet except for Alice and her goons. (Remember "Alice the Goon" on Popeye? - Eek, I'm showing my age.) Other actors who he's worked with have occasionally posted on social media what a great guy he is and a pleasure to work with. And fans too. Not in sticking up for him but before the split. My experience with two (unfortunately) really bad guys, has taught me that if they are all the badness that Alice says Ioan is, they show their true colors eventually. It angers me a bit that her claims about his behavior make a mockery of those of us who have been stupid enough to get into a relationship with a truly bad person.
Incidentally, is anyone in the know about the goons? The Ioan fan group, which I imagine will not be a fan group for him any more.
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Yeah, I guess so. It was around the time of 102 Dalmatians. I think it's relationship related because she went from somebody much older to somebody younger, but who knows. It's not exactly uncommon in Hollywood to make yourself younger.
If you check her old interviews in France she was 3 years older there. Whenever she talks nowadays about her mom she sometimes says she was in her late 20s, sometimes in her early 30s when she died. And three years ago Ioan congratulated her on IG to her suppossedly 47th birthday with "here's to endless more decades of cracking selfies" on IG, surely that's something you say if somebody entered a new decade. She also makes consistently jokes about her age, and Alison Boshoff mentioned a few months ago that her records contradict her official age too.
One of those occasions where you can catch the lie by inconsistent story telling. It will cost her dearly in this divorce.
I definitely agree with you guys with everything on Alice.Thank you for taking the time to write that, it’s very interesting.
I know. Me too. Earlier this week I wondered why I was feeling so emotional about a very private issue in a public persons life (I’ve never posted in a public forum in my life & rarely take interest in celebrities.)
I think it was because in Alice, I saw a broken person who traumatised me (as a young child & 20 years later when he re-emerged), and it was triggering.
The injustice of seeing a good man’s name dragged through mud and all the pain that is associated with this kind of abuse is maddening - especially if we know a little of what that feels like.
I can’t imagine the stress of also having the role of protector/provider but I think Ioan has already shown the world the kind of man he is.
I really do think he’ll be come out of this to much better days.
Those of us being reminded of our own traumas probably just need to have a cup of tea & calm the heck down…
On Ioan I find it impossible to say though. For all we know he acts badly too and she is telling in parts the truth. He is very smart in this divorce, but this doesnt mean that he is good either.
I can’t genuinely relate as I’ve actually never experienced a break up at all, (I married young, my husband is my first & only relationship) but I am so sorry for what you have been through, I hope you have many reasons to smile these days.I thought she just turned 50. Did she actually change her age for showbiz?
Funny but insightful post.
I absolutely agree that Ioan has already shown the world what kind of man he is. I can't find one negative comment about the man anywhere on the internet except for Alice and her goons. (Remember "Alice the Goon" on Popeye? - Eek, I'm showing my age.) Other actors who he's worked with have occasionally posted on social media what a great guy he is and a pleasure to work with. And fans too. Not in sticking up for him but before the split. My experience with two (unfortunately) really bad guys, has taught me that if they are all the badness that Alice says Ioan is, they show their true colors eventually. It angers me a bit that her claims about his behavior make a mockery of those of us who have been stupid enough to get into a relationship with a truly bad person.
Incidentally, is anyone in the know about the goons? The Ioan fan group, which I imagine will not be a fan group for him any more.
Judging situations from outside can be very problematic. My best friend has needed to walk away from her marriage this year & I wouldn’t wish her pain on anyone, especially since everyone assumes her husband is the one who needs comforting. It is not always so simple.
Nope! I haven’t, but thank-you, I will now forever think of those ‘interesting’ women on Alice’s Twitter as The Goons
. Who joins fan pages? These days you can just follow the person can’t you?I guess Ioan is very private so I understand why you say we can’t be sure.
In this situation, I take note of the fact that he is highly regarded by everyone he has worked with & that publicly, he always speaks well of others.
I also take note that he has been able to maintain long term friendships and easily strike up new ones, and appears to have a loving family he is close to, who are willing to step up and speak out for him ( I think his dad did? I can’t remember).
I’m sure he would’ve dated before Alice, yet no bitter ex seems to have ever come out of the woodwork.
I followed Alice on one of my Instagram accounts and there were sometimes videos of Ioan with his daughters. Their eyes light up around him and he seems very warm & present.
If I encounter someone like this in real life & then can observe them over many years I immediately feel that they have integrity. I it would be too hard to fake for so long.
I know we can’t know for sure, and that everyone has secret failings, but I absolutely will give him the benefit of the very small amount of doubt I think is required.
That’s just what I think
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On the age thing. I thought that was out of fashion. Although it does seem like a great idea (I say with one eyebrow raised).
It's true, we haven't a clue who either of these people are. Only what they allow us to see. There are plenty of people who conceal their true selves for selfish and nefarious reasons. I think it takes an extra special kind of evil to hide it for a long time. For example, the character Ioan played in Liar. He hid it for several years but ultimately someone strong enough to not run away but face him brought him down. I have an ex who has been evil for all of his marriages (8 that I know of) but none were strong enough to fight hard enough so that others wouldn't fall victim to his schemes. Now, there is proof to back up our claims in court documents and police reports.
I have been naive before but it was my gut that kicked in and ultimately saved me from a lot of heartache, physical and financial pain. So I may be naive in thinking he is completely innocent of things like "leaving his family" (not just her), inferring that he has child porn on his phone, and a few more things that I can't remember ATM. But! My gut tells me he is not what she says he is and is lying.
Again, thanks for letting me talk so much.
I'm going to go have that cup of tea now. (laughing emoji) haha! I'm on my laptop and I'm emojiless.Thank you for taking the time to write that, it’s very interesting.
I know. Me too. Earlier this week I wondered why I was feeling so emotional about a very private issue in a public persons life (I’ve never posted in a public forum in my life & rarely take interest in celebrities.)
I think it was because in Alice, I saw a broken person who traumatised me (as a young child & 20 years later when he re-emerged), and it was triggering.
The injustice of seeing a good man’s name dragged through mud and all the pain that is associated with this kind of abuse is maddening - especially if we know a little of what that feels like.
I can’t imagine the stress of also having the role of protector/provider but I think Ioan has already shown the world the kind of man he is.
I really do think he’ll be come out of this to much better days.
Those of us being reminded of our own traumas probably just need to have a cup of tea & calm the heck down…
SPOT! ON!I can’t genuinely relate as I’ve actually never experienced a break up at all, (I married young, my husband is my first & only relationship) but I am so sorry for what you have been through, I hope you have many reasons to smile these days.
Judging situations from outside can be very problematic. My best friend has needed to walk away from her marriage this year & I wouldn’t wish her pain on anyone, especially since everyone assumes her husband is the one who needs comforting. It is not always so simple.
Nope! I haven’t, but thank-you, I will now forever think of those ‘interesting’ women on Alice’s Twitter as The Goons
I guess Ioan is very private so I understand why you say we can’t be sure.
In this situation, I take note of the fact that he is highly regarded by everyone he has worked with & that publicly, he always speaks well of others.
I also take note that he has been able to maintain long term friendships and easily strike up new ones, and appears to have a loving family he is close to, who are willing to step up and speak out for him ( I think his dad did? I can’t remember).
I’m sure he would’ve dated before Alice, yet no bitter ex seems to have ever come out of the woodwork.
I followed Alice on one of my Instagram accounts and there were sometimes videos of Ioan with his daughters. Their eyes light up around him and he seems very warm & present.
If I encounter someone like this in real life & then can observe them over many years I immediately feel that they have integrity. I it would be too hard to fake for so long.
I know we can’t know for sure, and that everyone has secret failings, but I absolutely will give him the benefit of the very small amount of doubt I think is required.
That’s just what I think
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Oh! Liar was brilliant. An important story. At first I didn’t want watch it but I am really glad I did. As unpleasant as the story was, I learnt so much, specifically realising how easily we can be manipulated by people we love & how our own prejudices come into play when we hear stories of abuse.On the age thing. I thought that was out of fashion. Although it does seem like a great idea (I say with one eyebrow raised).
It's true, we haven't a clue who either of these people are. Only what they allow us to see. There are plenty of people who conceal their true selves for selfish and nefarious reasons. I think it takes an extra special kind of evil to hide it for a long time. For example, the character Ioan played in Liar. He hid it for several years but ultimately someone strong enough to not run away but face him brought him down. I have an ex who has been evil for all of his marriages (8 that I know of) but none were strong enough to fight hard enough so that others wouldn't fall victim to his schemes. Now, there is proof to back up our claims in court documents and police reports.
I have been naive before but it was my gut that kicked in and ultimately saved me from a lot of heartache, physical and financial pain. So I may be naive in thinking he is completely innocent of things like "leaving his family" (not just her), inferring that he has child porn on his phone, and a few more things that I can't remember ATM. But! My gut tells me he is not what she says he is and is lying.
Again, thanks for letting me talk so much.
I'm going to go have that cup of tea now. (laughing emoji) haha! I'm on my laptop and I'm emojiless.
SPOT! ON!
Ioan’s acting was also next level, the scene where he cries & tells his son he is afraid still haunts me.
Eight marriages?! Ugh. That seems a bit excessive. Even for America
Enjoy your tea, it definitely sounds like you made a lucky escape!
Oh I *do* give him the benefit of the doubt (while I dont for her) for the various reasons I stated in this thread. But just like I found it wrong how people judged him at the beginning (and in other places still do) with some certaincy I prefer to not absolve him from any blame with any certaincy either (edit: though I must stress that "blame" is the wrong word, a divorce to me is almost never anyones fault because the very fact that it came to this proves that it's not meant to be)I can’t genuinely relate as I’ve actually never experienced a break up at all, (I married young, my husband is my first & only relationship) but I am so sorry for what you have been through, I hope you have many reasons to smile these days.
Judging situations from outside can be very problematic. My best friend has needed to walk away from her marriage this year & I wouldn’t wish her pain on anyone, especially since everyone assumes her husband is the one who needs comforting. It is not always so simple.
Nope! I haven’t, but thank-you, I will now forever think of those ‘interesting’ women on Alice’s Twitter as The Goons
I guess Ioan is very private so I understand why you say we can’t be sure.
In this situation, I take note of the fact that he is highly regarded by everyone he has worked with & that publicly, he always speaks well of others.
I also take note that he has been able to maintain long term friendships and easily strike up new ones, and appears to have a loving family he is close to, who are willing to step up and speak out for him ( I think his dad did? I can’t remember).
I’m sure he would’ve dated before Alice, yet no bitter ex seems to have ever come out of the woodwork.
I followed Alice on one of my Instagram accounts and there were sometimes videos of Ioan with his daughters. Their eyes light up around him and he seems very warm & present.
If I encounter someone like this in real life & then can observe them over many years I immediately feel that they have integrity. I it would be too hard to fake for so long.
I know we can’t know for sure, and that everyone has secret failings, but I absolutely will give him the benefit of the very small amount of doubt I think is required.
That’s just what I think
I absolutely agree that it is hard to believe somebody with a terrible record accussing somebody with a very clean one, but often the nicest people do hide the darkest secrets (especially when it comes to CP), and it seems to me that from Alice's perspective whatever she sees wrong with him has only really been a thing since he returned last August (although she did contradicted that one once as well!), so the option that he goes through something that changed him (for whatever reason, and regardless how much you can blame his wife) and thus whatever impressions he gave prior to this to us is irrelevant, remains.
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She’s 53? I had no idea! Are you sure?
No one looks as they do in their 20’s. I’m saying that some Dr. did too much Botox and an excessl of lip fillers on her. That’s not right, regardless. The physician’s creed is first do no harm. And I’m curious about her hair as I only recently found out she had a wig and I was surprised.
She might look totally different if her mindset was happy and secure, I don’t know. And her appearance is by far the least of her problems, it’s her mental health that needs addressing.
I don’t care, but I think she could still look pretty. And he still looks really good. I think him leaving had nothing to do with her looks btw and everything to do with her behavior.
I wonder if it is possible that what happened is exactly what she said? That he came home and told her he wasn’t in love with her anymore?
Alice seemed like she wanted to be closer to him in the last six months, with Twitter complaints about his emotional distance - and when the separation was announced she was “heartbroken”.
Didn’t sound at all like a wife who had discovered a dark secret about her husband’s conduct or character.
To me it sounded like a woman beginning her (very public) journey through the stages of grief : Denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance…
I hear what you are saying and I do agree that marriages can’t always and shouldn’t always last forever. Divorce is ugly and painful, I think if someone is willing to go through it, it’s a pretty good sign they’ve already been suffering
As far as someone else being involved, I feel odd speculating because there is currently no reason to
The "I think I don't love you anymore" happened somewhere between their anniversary (14th september) and the tweet she sent about it on september 29th because she claimed it was not too long after their anniversary in an IG post later. He came back around mid-August? So not quite. Though her friends say that he has been acting bad ever since then.
To me it has all the hallmarks of him having a bad time in lockdown but trying to not show it - and thanks to going for a few weeks away from her he probably reflected on everything and made his decision (whether the deal was sweetened with a third party or not). I actually can't really think of a scenario where she wouldnt accuse him of acting badly. She claims it came out of the blue (yet he walked out months later), but if he had tried already much earlier to show signs of unhappiness she would claim that it's cruel to drag it so long (which she somehow still did).
And yes, I realize that part of Alice's reasoning was that just few weeks before this he was planning their first ever (?) Christmas in the Snow with the kids (sad), but this is unfortunately very normal, and probably was part of his own denial stage.
To me it has all the hallmarks of him having a bad time in lockdown but trying to not show it - and thanks to going for a few weeks away from her he probably reflected on everything and made his decision (whether the deal was sweetened with a third party or not). I actually can't really think of a scenario where she wouldnt accuse him of acting badly. She claims it came out of the blue (yet he walked out months later), but if he had tried already much earlier to show signs of unhappiness she would claim that it's cruel to drag it so long (which she somehow still did).
And yes, I realize that part of Alice's reasoning was that just few weeks before this he was planning their first ever (?) Christmas in the Snow with the kids (sad), but this is unfortunately very normal, and probably was part of his own denial stage.
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Just my two cents worth which may be completely wrong, who knows? Maybe he got tired of her histrionics every time he had to be away filming? The threatening to commit suicide, taking pills and drinking while he’s a world away and his young daughters in her care? And the crazy incident with the parking accident while one child clearly was present? What a terrible and frightening feeling that must have been for him. For all he knew she could have harmed their children just to get back at him. It does happen.
He probably had had enough of taking up for her and cleaning up her messes and misdeeds while away and trying to support them. I’m sure she resented being left home caring for the children and probably was a nervous wreck wondering if he would find someone new and thus acted out even more. Maybe he was sick of not being trusted. And her complete unwillingness to keep mum on certain subjects that he begged her to keep private. She obviously had no respect for his privacy whatsoever, or that of their daughters. Personally I couldn’t cope with someone taking my picture all the time, no matter how good I looked. I would wonder just how far she would go and would constantly be looking over my shoulder.
He probably had had enough of taking up for her and cleaning up her messes and misdeeds while away and trying to support them. I’m sure she resented being left home caring for the children and probably was a nervous wreck wondering if he would find someone new and thus acted out even more. Maybe he was sick of not being trusted. And her complete unwillingness to keep mum on certain subjects that he begged her to keep private. She obviously had no respect for his privacy whatsoever, or that of their daughters. Personally I couldn’t cope with someone taking my picture all the time, no matter how good I looked. I would wonder just how far she would go and would constantly be looking over my shoulder.
I didn’t realise she wore a wig either...just googled it and it seems she wears wigs because her natural hair is very fine. I can empathise with having fine, flat hair and it must be difficult to contend with in LA where there is such an emphasis on appearances.
I didn’t realise she was in her 50s either as well. I thought she was in her late 40s. She has one of those strangely ageless and generic faces from the Botox and fillers. She’s a very attractive woman, I think, but would benefit from less boozing - it’s bloating and leading to many unflattering photos.
Indeed. I actually alerted my friend who is a psychiatrist to look at her posts/behaviour and she even confirmed that Alice is presenting Narcissistic tendencies with the way she has reacted to the divorce. She pinpointed it in her excessive need for attention and manipulation - especially with how it's getting worse because of her fans. She even hinted on the point made by @HappyCamper9864 about D.A.R.V.O. Everything she does is typical of a Narcissist that has lost the high ground and is lashing out as they no longer have control.
I totally agree @IHateHadargoyle, If I was living on the edge with someone like Alice I would have ended the relationship there. His profession is heavily built around how one looks, the fact that she goes behind his back to publish unflattering pictures of him (like the one of him sleeping which is still there) shows she's underhanded and not supportive of him. Actors are human, they want to go home to rest and recuperate and not have a camera shoved in their face 24/7. That can led to someone losing love and trust quite quickly for someone. I would never hurt a loved one by posting anything unflattering about them. Ever. She shot herself in the foot by telling everyone that he would be upset with her posting the images and it's just not a good look to show everyone that your literally just ignorant of your Husbands wants. The double standard annoys me here because if that was a man posting unflattering pictures then there would be an uproar.
I'm of the opinion that Ioan is a decent man. I tried looking everywhere (and following his career for years) there is not one bad word said about him. His co-stars adore him and even his family - which was mentioned on here - love him. Alice unfortunately has some dirt on her record that has been uncovered here. That car park incident with Alice was all the evidence I needed to unfollow her years ago. I mean to react like that - because she clearly couldn't park - and to say she had a sick kid in the car?? She left the door of her vehicle wide open, sat a few metres behind her whilst she pulled out her phone to verbally attack the person she hit. You never leave your kid in that kind of situation in LA. She was being investigated for a Hit and Run and I can only imagine what Ioan was going through as there was video proof of her behaviour.
I totally agree @IHateHadargoyle, If I was living on the edge with someone like Alice I would have ended the relationship there. His profession is heavily built around how one looks, the fact that she goes behind his back to publish unflattering pictures of him (like the one of him sleeping which is still there) shows she's underhanded and not supportive of him. Actors are human, they want to go home to rest and recuperate and not have a camera shoved in their face 24/7. That can led to someone losing love and trust quite quickly for someone. I would never hurt a loved one by posting anything unflattering about them. Ever. She shot herself in the foot by telling everyone that he would be upset with her posting the images and it's just not a good look to show everyone that your literally just ignorant of your Husbands wants. The double standard annoys me here because if that was a man posting unflattering pictures then there would be an uproar.
I'm of the opinion that Ioan is a decent man. I tried looking everywhere (and following his career for years) there is not one bad word said about him. His co-stars adore him and even his family - which was mentioned on here - love him. Alice unfortunately has some dirt on her record that has been uncovered here. That car park incident with Alice was all the evidence I needed to unfollow her years ago. I mean to react like that - because she clearly couldn't park - and to say she had a sick kid in the car?? She left the door of her vehicle wide open, sat a few metres behind her whilst she pulled out her phone to verbally attack the person she hit. You never leave your kid in that kind of situation in LA. She was being investigated for a Hit and Run and I can only imagine what Ioan was going through as there was video proof of her behaviour.
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I feel so bad for Ioan and his daughters. I’m like some of the rest of you, experiencing painful feelings from my own life. I admit to taking his side, but my reasoning is everything I’ve said here as well as others. Everyone likes to believe in happily ever afters and I’m no different. But I must say that I never liked that she dumped her fiancée for Ioan. It just seems very wrong to me. Just my opinion.
Dear god, where did she get it? Target? I just thought the manky draining brassy effect came from over-dying her hair over the years. She needs to find a warmer coloured one that's more flattering and is much better quality.
I thought she said she bleached it as it gives her hair more dimension being blonde. Did realise it was a wig! Also was it the car park incident she got done for the hit and run? 
@Pixie06
Yeah it was the car park incident, I've attached the link I remember reading about this.
https://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00148634.html
The YouTuber she hit also has a video up about it and IMO you can see who the level headed person was in that situation:
Here's the full video of her reaction. Clearly if she acts like this when she was clearly at fault with hitting a parked car then how is she to deal with in private. The fact that the YouTuber has her on camera driving off is the huge red flag. You are meant to exchange information after hitting a car.
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Yeah it was the car park incident, I've attached the link I remember reading about this.
https://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00148634.html
The YouTuber she hit also has a video up about it and IMO you can see who the level headed person was in that situation:
Here's the full video of her reaction. Clearly if she acts like this when she was clearly at fault with hitting a parked car then how is she to deal with in private. The fact that the YouTuber has her on camera driving off is the huge red flag. You are meant to exchange information after hitting a car.
Actress Alice Evans Loses It on YouTuber After Parking Lot Fender Bender
The British actress, Alice Evans, lost it on a YouTuber for parking her car in a compact spot.
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