I could see Iris making her uncomfortable by being able to read her like a book being the top and bottom of it.The “psychologist friend” that Yo seems to have had as chaperone during visitations, instead of his friend/neighbour Iris. Cos Iris made Ella “uncomfortable”. By existing.
Ioan Gruffudd, Alice Evans & Bianca Wallace #175 Never mind, Alice. Keep your chins up!
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Elsie is the weak link in the revenge chain and needs chaperoning by the second in command so she doesn't actually enjoy herself with Ioan. Can you imagine the hell she got for Knott's Berry Farm and eating vegan food with hearts on it?
Poor kid sitting in her changing room knowing she was supposed to scupper the weekend but had failed because she had a new leotard and didn't know what to do. Get her out of there.
this may btw backfire. With Iris at least you could allege bias, but a psychologist? and he witnessed the whole thing? the court probably will only listen to him lolThe “psychologist friend” that Yo seems to have had as chaperone during visitations, instead of his friend/neighbour Iris. Cos Iris made Ella “uncomfortable”. By existing.
they should file and confirm the story (in case the psychologist reports as expected), makes it more solid. its also then no longer meam accusations but simply the truth (even if Loopy will spin it, he actually already got the excuses in early)
also Ioan obviously denying (if the case) that he said anything about Ella, or added context etc. plus the truth re: the circumstances of meeting Bianca etc.
Will Bianca be 29 on her birthday?
it would help matters to have someone the girls know and trust? am thinking this old guy not known to the girls didn’t help the situation. I canimagine there were some anxieties over the overnight stay after such a long time.The “psychologist friend” that Yo seems to have had as chaperone during visitations, instead of his friend/neighbour Iris. Cos Iris made Ella “uncomfortable”. By existing.
the girls have a right to be heard, too many children in this world have no voice.
Ioan had before this a chaperone they knew and she made them "uncomfortable" too.
anyone would make them because they are witnesses to the real story
They were never going to do that overnight. It wouldn't matter who was there chaperoning. Imagine Alice being left on her own overnight and what they would come home to.
A chaperone is definitely sensible but this was an elderly man, for the girls potentially a very uncomfortable atmosphere.
I do think Ioan was trying to be sensible having a psychologist there, but him being an old man was a bit clumsy.
I do think Ioan was trying to be sensible having a psychologist there, but him being an old man was a bit clumsy.
But this gentleman (age unknown) was brought in to accommodate the fact she didn’t like the previous chaperone, that she did know.
I mean, it’s a huge ask for anyone to put themselves in that situation. I can’t imagine volunteers were beating a path.
The fact that an independent observer is needed, shows just how abnormal the situation is.
Why? This is a child displaying the same behaviour as her mother when boundaries are in place. She says elderly, he’s probably just older than Alice.
These aren’t abused children, not for a second. This is an entitled child having a tantrum.
Give me a break.
I don’t believe in making children of a certain age doing things they don’t want to do. I think it’s also recognised in the U.K. that a 13/14yo can make some decisions of their own but it is not the case in California so it would depend where they live as to what rights or wishes are considered for the child. I agree best interest decisions are one thing (going to school for instance is usually non negotiable and a best interest decision) but clearly if their mental health is suffering you might need to concede that it isn’t helping your child to keep doing something they clearly hate. I do appreciate that this is entirely Alice’s doing but it doesn’t negate the fact it clearly is having a terrible impact on Ella’s well-being to be such an angry raging aggressive child.
I do think Ella should not be forced to go to contact anymore and that’s cos it’s obvious that it isn’t working and is not safe anymore. Ioan should keep fighting about the PA on her behalf though, and not stop this process as he needs to advocate for the poor kids against this PA. But I am not sure visitation is going to work for Ella. For sure he should keep on getting them into therapy, being present in other ways (phone, emails and perhaps short visitations outside of the home) as clearly Ella cannot be trusted now to be inside the apartment and is putting everyone at risk including Elsie.
I do agree that having a step parent is not abuse, and if you do not like them you should not be forced to have a relationship with them but meeting someone, having food with them etc is not having a relationship it’s just being polite and giving that person a chance to see if you both get along. Ella has never even given B a chance so there is no way she knows anything about B’s character apart from what she’s been told. If this case was E having met B over 6 months and them clashing I would agree it’s not wise to keep going at it, (and evaluate whether it’s your partners fault in this way) but E doesn’t know B and is over inflating and exaggerating what she thinks about B into something outside of what is even remotely normal.
I do think Ella should not be forced to go to contact anymore and that’s cos it’s obvious that it isn’t working and is not safe anymore. Ioan should keep fighting about the PA on her behalf though, and not stop this process as he needs to advocate for the poor kids against this PA. But I am not sure visitation is going to work for Ella. For sure he should keep on getting them into therapy, being present in other ways (phone, emails and perhaps short visitations outside of the home) as clearly Ella cannot be trusted now to be inside the apartment and is putting everyone at risk including Elsie.
I do agree that having a step parent is not abuse, and if you do not like them you should not be forced to have a relationship with them but meeting someone, having food with them etc is not having a relationship it’s just being polite and giving that person a chance to see if you both get along. Ella has never even given B a chance so there is no way she knows anything about B’s character apart from what she’s been told. If this case was E having met B over 6 months and them clashing I would agree it’s not wise to keep going at it, (and evaluate whether it’s your partners fault in this way) but E doesn’t know B and is over inflating and exaggerating what she thinks about B into something outside of what is even remotely normal.
a lot of people will do many things if they are paid enough.
this (70-80 years old?) gentleman psychologist is a pal of Ioan’s and is surely approved as a chaperone by the courts or whatever.
just for the girls (I have a teen myself) I can imagine it wasn’t a comfortable situation, knowing the girls are rather fragile.
this (70-80 years old?) gentleman psychologist is a pal of Ioan’s and is surely approved as a chaperone by the courts or whatever.
just for the girls (I have a teen myself) I can imagine it wasn’t a comfortable situation, knowing the girls are rather fragile.
Ella says 70-80 years old I think. Imagine if the poor guy is 55 Lol
Also I doubt the man was a friend. He was likely hired professional which I doubt would be 80 years old
I do like that "tedious witch" and threatening abandonment etc was fine but Ioan calling Ella manipulative (true) is severe abuse and a RO lmao
and dont forget Alice's insane harrassement of him, this was even more fine
Ioan must have been a huge pushover during their marriage
and dont forget Alice's insane harrassement of him, this was even more fine
Ioan must have been a huge pushover during their marriage
what do you suggest he does though? they were uncomfortable with a middle aged woman too
retired professionals often do this tbh. I wouldnt be suprised if he was 70, but so what?
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It’s not going to be comfortable I agree. The girls constantly being around people they don’t have a warm connected relationship with is going to make them resent Ioan. It’s not his fault though, as he is stuck in such an awkward position where he is trying to achieve contact with them to rebuild but is always being thwarted by yet another obstacle. If Alice let them go to the therapy months and months ago he might not need iris or this guy
that’s the challenge
Picture of psychogist friend that Ella doesn't like. Obviously an official, verified photo.
The fact they are uncomfortable is Alice’s fault. He doesn’t have many options. Alice should not be putting them in a situation where it’s unsafe for them to be alone with their own father!!
We don’t know how old the gentleman is. I think it needs to be accepted that whoever was chaperoning wouldn‘t be acceptable purely because they were chaperoning. Seeing as a lady of presumably the same age as her parents wasn’t acceptable then going for an older, possibly more grandfatherly figure might have been thought to work better.
Also, from what has been put out there, the only reason she was left in the care of the chaperone was because she wouldn’t go with her dad and sister.
They don't want anyone there. It's the same reason Alice always tried to lure him back to the house. So there are no witnesses.
I don't think they will allow Elsie to go to visitation on her own. She will not be given the chance to re-bond with Ioan.
I don't think they will allow Elsie to go to visitation on her own. She will not be given the chance to re-bond with Ioan.
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