Yes, and Elsie’s.
Yes, and Elsie’s.Ella's social circle will become smaller now. The parents of her friends will see this and will limit their children's contact with her.
Couldn’t happen to a more deserving lying cuntThis looks so bad for Alice. Her brain doesn't operate like a normal persons. How anyone can continue to support her is beyond me.
I had a narc mother. And by the time I was 14, I'd had enough and I told her so. She still tried but I just wouldn't listen or respond. I mean, she TRIED until she died when I was 34. I never went no contact but I did shut her down. There was no divorce but my dad was pretty passive where she was concerned. And he excused her behaviour (she had a tough childhood/upbringing, she means well, etc.) No, I'm not Ella and my mother was not Alice. And yes, a lot of people are excusing her behaviour. Yes, she is "just a child" but children (and at her age) are capable of terrible things they need to be held accountable for. Why she did this doesn't mean that she shouldn't be responsible for her actions. There are plenty of kids who have endured terrible physical and emotional abuse and they still don't go on to do the kinds of things Ella has done.But what would the consequences for Ella be had she not done what Alice demanded? Would Alice have sent her to bed with no food, taken her devices away, hit her? Threatened to send her to a care home? She's already been brainwashed by Alice to believe her dad didn't love her and has abandoned her. She only has her mother and her sister left, as Alice has kept them away from Ioan's family (and her side that she's in contact with aren't great).
We are shocked by Alice from just reading about her. Just imagine what she's like in real life. Now imagine living with her. Now imagine she's your mother, and her having power over you, and you're too young to get away.
I'm pretty sure Alice has been manipulating Ella all of her life too. And Ella and Elsie have witnessed their parents arguing all their lives, per Ioan's statement. That would have affected them badly mentally too.
What Ella did was wrong, without a doubt. No one is excusing it. But people on here using language such as saying she looks like a quarterback and has a smug grin doesn't sit well with me (I am not policing though, if that's your opinion you're entitled to it, all I am doing it pointing out why I think differently). She needs professional help, now, and to be removed from Alice's care.
I think both sides are on the wrong track with this. you certain dont push a dog if you want nothing to do with it, you just go away from it. She also called it a "fucking" dog which makes me think the pushing was not quite innocent.Absolutely agree. People need to stop stating that piece of misinformation, kicked, as if fact on here. Bianca was trying to use the dog as a way to connect because the dog was there and happy. Ella was having no part of anything to do with Bianca and used her foot to push the dog away. Ioan nor Biance used the term "shove" or "kick" the dog. It was never about the dog. It was because it was Bianca trying to connect through the dog. Was it nice? Was it appropriate? Hell, no. But she did not abuse or kick the dog.
I don't think those are the friends that Ella has.Ella's social circle will become smaller now. The parents of her friends will see this and will limit their children's contact with her.
How is pushing an animal with your feet not abusing it?Absolutely agree. People need to stop stating that piece of misinformation, kicked, as if fact on here. Bianca was trying to use the dog as a way to connect because the dog was there and happy. Ella was having no part of anything to do with Bianca and used her foot to push the dog away. Ioan nor Biance used the term "shove" or "kick" the dog. It was never about the dog. It was because it was Bianca trying to connect through the dog. Was it nice? Was it appropriate? Hell, no. But she did not abuse or kick the dog.
It’s more insidious than that. They start off with a little comment here and there, something usually accompanied by a jokey laugh and a good dose of lovebombing, and gradually escalate - until you realise that you’re the frog boiling to death in the pot.I seems such a normal person. It makes wonder. Did she drug him for 20 years and when he sobered up realized what he had done?
I suppose they could argue they were wary of it? And they moved it from them.How is pushing an animal with your feet not abusing it?
That … and she needs “win”. She’s out to destroy him for leaving her.All of this is because Alice doesn’t want to work.
I do that to my cats all the time when they're sat on the stairs in my way, I really don't think that's abuse. If I was picking them up and throwing them down the stairs you might have a point!How is pushing an animal with your feet not abusing it?
She will say he is breaking his own DVRO therefore it doesn't matter if she does. Also it was obviously a ploy to get Ioan alone with her and the kids and then fabricate DV or CSA offences.My thoughts on the PI are that either he was to be outside Alice’s home to capture some scene with the Ioan and the kids; would be too much of a paper trail if she called a pap to capture what was an unscheduled stop to pick up the leotard.
Otherwise to capture photos of Ioan outside waiting for the girls and Al would twist it to say Ioan was harassing them and stalking them and that he is the abusive one.
Ioan states they have met the dog before and played with it.I suppose they could argue they were wary of it? And they moved it from them.
I presume when you are both shitfaced on alcohol it blurs the lines. Once he was clean and sober and saw her in a clear light he really did 'see the light' and legged it.I seems such a normal person. It makes wonder. Did she drug him for 20 years and when he sobered up realized what he had done?
Not sure if you mean Alice or Ella, but if someone has money to pay for legal representation in a civil matter, they can have a lawyer. If it's criminal one can be appointed. In this case, I think guardians ad litem are called for for both girls.For those with legal knowledge, what are the chances of getting any legal representation for her now? Would she be left with the dregs of the legal profession willing to take any case.
I wonder if the lawyers notified DM and Ms Noshoff that she’d be named in the responseWhat is the DM up to now, three articles? None of them favorable to Alice. It's almost as if they're bending over backwards to counter the accusation that one of their writers is in the bag. Nah, just a coincidence I'm sure.
Tone is Alice. I hope they get the twitter data on that account.As for Uncle Tone, still fighting the fight; if it’s really him he is colluding with Alice in causing irreparable damage to his nieces.
I’d actually say worse than Alice as it’s not his battle.
Seriously mentally as well as physically unwell.
Meant Alice.Not sure if you mean Alice or Ella, but if someone has money to pay for legal representation in a civil matter, they can have a lawyer. If it's criminal one can be appointed. In this case, I think guardians ad litem are called for for both girls.
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