Consistency I'm guessing and gaining the girls trust. Kids see far more than they let on and I'm pretty sure at this stage they both know what their mother is doing isn't normal behavior.Blimey, had a lot to catch up on. I honestly didn't think she could sink any lower. What a disgusting bitch.
Re custody, whether that be 100% or 50%, I just don't see how either can safely work. They have shown that they are willing to walk back to Alice, so how can he safely have them overnight? He can't keep an eye on them for 24 hours a day.
I don't think Marie read the document at all. Just signed that she did.the one filing Leon made (about the TRO) was pretty impressive, he had me almost agreeing
and yes, agreed, if you skim and you see a unknown date...I mean what person would not stop and read that?!
And yet on SM she’s still claiming he doesn’t want to see them and her FM’s lap it all up. All they have to do is read these official court documents to see the truth and see what a nasty manipulative narcissistic waste of time she is. I can’t believe she’s getting away with such traumatic PA for this long especially given Ella’s age and the difficulty in rehabilitating her from Alice’s lies. Reading what Ioan and the girls are going through is actually unbelievable. It’s none of my business but it makes me so angryJesus Christ. Poor Ioan. Poor Elsie. And poor Ella, being used as a weapon by Alice.
I don't have the latest phone (can't afford an iphone 14 unlike that cunt) but can you record for 6 hours non-stop?I would imagine she has asked Ella to record her time with IG. That’s why A was in a panic and thought he was going through the phones. The recordings would be on Ella’s phone.
I suggest something stronger than tea. As was suspected it’s not good readingGonna make myself a cuppa tea and get comfy to read this! Thank you for posting it
Hi! Glad you posted and yes I agree there are some strong women there ready to help and support when needed.Apologies for just barging in … I’m a reader not a poster …
but one positive in the whole sorry saga is that there seems to be a number of strong, kind women on the sidelines (Ioan’s mum, Bianca, Gloria and now Iris and Gina that we are aware of) who have stepped up and hopefully will be there to help the girls through whatever comes next in a positive role model way.
It's not a crime in California though evidence of it can be used to modify custody.I'm pretty sure that it's viewed as a crime in California.
Easily, it's not limited other than memory space and battery capacity. 6 hours is a breeze. even my 2 year old Samsung can do thatI don't have the latest phone (can't afford an iphone 14 unlike that cunt) but can you record for 6 hours non-stop?
Sorry for your lossI lost my dad 2 months ago and this broke my heart
She’s Mummy Fucking Dearest.She will continue to disrupt any contact Ioan has with the girls. Whether it’s 50/50 or 100%. She has enmeshed them to her and parentified them. Not a slight on either kid, it’s Alice that has caused all of this.
This woman called her kid a “tedious bitch” and the other 9 year old a “snitch”.
She’s an absolute monster.
This is why Alice has them so isolated. No contact with the wider family - I am not even sure the real Tone has phone contact with them. The kids are basically in a cult and it is worrying that we don't know if Ella has a school or not. They are totally dependent on Alice and forget that they only have a roof over their heads and food etc is because of the dad they refuse to see.Kids see far more than they let on and I'm pretty sure at this stage they both know what their mother is doing isn't normal behavior.
yikes. That's probably what happens then.Easily, it's not limited other than memory space and battery capacity. 6 hours is a breeze. even my 2 year old Samsung can do that
Projectionyikes. That's probably what happens then.
Narcs always tell on themselves. Their accusations are admissions.
IG: Ella called Alice on speakerphone after I asked everyone to put their phones in the center console of the car so we could have a nice, phone-free time. I heard Alice telling Ella on speakerphone that there was something wrong with me, and I don't have a right to their phones. Alice said that she had called her lawyers, the lawyers were going to call the police, and that I wanted their phones to "investigate" Ella and Elsie and "look for shit."
Alice is using the kids' phones to get 'shit' on Ioan. For sure.
She has a violation on her DVRO and the judge MUST consider that in deciding whether to grant Alice any custody. So it's not moot at all. I suspect Ioan has a mountain of evidence showing Alice's abuse and neglect. And yes, the court can force a child under the age of 18 to comply with custody orders, and if the child refuses, the parent enabling this can face court ordered sanctions.Not sure I totally agree with this - I don't think Ioan can get, nor would want 100% custody. He is in a difficult place in that he is a B-/C+ list actor and right now has to take what work is given and invariably this means working away from home for large chunks. He also made a key mistake, in my opinion, in going to Australia and missing 2 key therapy sessions - I question whether that was essential. That, together with his extended holiday in the UK is likely to have given the girls the firm impression that they come second after Bianca. This, with the other missing session (work in NY) plus Alice's shenanigans mean the therapy has not happened meaningfully for the girls at a critical time. I think Ioan is in a truly awful position but I also think he has made mistakes.
The likelihood of him getting 100% custody is moot anyway. No-one can prove - to the burden of proof required for the courts/CPS - that Alice is abusive or neglectful to her children. Her PA is clear but again that has gone on so long now and is so entrenched that it may work against Ioan getting any custody at all (in particular for Ella as she may refuse to engage and the courts won't force her). If regular therapy isn't immediately instituted (and it's doubtful it will for months and months due to the slow pace of the court) it's unlikely anything will change. And if therapy doesn't work, the only thing to hope is that Alice will do a Betty Broderick and drop the kids off with him to try and break up him and B.
It is a horrible shitty situation, but sadly it's one that happens on an all-too regular basis in divorce cases. Unfortunately it is usually the father who is alienated. Alice, the evil cunt, will likely succeed with her PA in the short term, but long term, once they are adult, I am sure they will start to see the truth and will re-develop a relationship with Ioan.
Not true - she will likely be charged with a 'wobbler' misdemeanour. The rebuttal presumption against custody can be argued against. The key issue is the best interests of the child. There is no physical violence against the children and the children have resided with Alice for the majority of their time for years. The arguments against the rebuttal presumption are:as for custody: if Alice is convicted for a DVRO breech she is not entitled to custody, though obviously even if he would get 100 % on paper it wouldnt be at least short term what would happen in reality though
It's sad that he can't even walk with them until they get close to Alice's den of doom. Jeez, asIt's the thought of him walking behind them
I've linked the explanation of the court site the other day, but you are wrong on 6. It doesnt matter if Alice's restraining order is the kids having a RO against her. so long it's a close relative of the kids (grandparents, father, stepparent) that point appliesNot true - she will likely be charged with a 'wobbler' misdemeanour. The rebuttal presumption against custody can be argued against. The key issue is the best interests of the child. There is no physical violence against the children and the children have resided with Alice for the majority of their time for years. The arguments against the rebuttal presumption are:
Unfortunately, Alice has a strong chance to legally overturn the rebuttal presumption on the key item of 'in the best interests of the children'
- Whether the alleged abuser has demonstrated that giving sole custody or joint custody of a child to him or her is in the best interest of the child.
- Whether the alleged abuser has successfully completed a batterer’s treatment program that meets the criteria outlined in subdivision (c) of Section 1203.097 of the Penal Code. Even if not ordered, a batterer’s intervention program is almost universally required by family court judges when a litigant is attempting to overcome the Family Code 3044 presumption. [Not applicable to Alice as no physical violence]
- Whether the alleged abuser has successfully completed an alcohol and chemical dependency program if the court determines that counseling is appropriate. [Not applicable as court has not made this determination - but hopefully will do so]
- Whether the alleged abuser has successfully completed parenting classes if the court determines the classes to be appropriate. [She has completed the required parenting classes. Hopefully the court will order more]
- Whether the alleged abuser is on probation or parole, and whether he or she has complied with the terms and conditions of their probation or parole. This is even more important when the criminal conviction relates to domestic violence. [Not applicable to Alice and unlikely to become applicable - likelihood is misdemeanour wobbler charge]
- Whether the alleged abuser is restrained by a protective order or restraining order, and whether he or she has complied with its terms and conditions. [This is applicable, but again only refers to Ioan and not the children]
- Whether the alleged abuser has committed any further acts of domestic violence. [This is applicable, but again only refers to Ioan and not the children]
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