Have you ever known someone who turned out to be a murderer?

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There was a lad who was in a few of my classes at school who went onto shoot someone dead in a gang related fight in an entirely different part of the country. He was quite scruffy (I remember his trainers most as he seemed to be exempt from wearing shoes like everyone else, they looked bigger than his feet and were stretched, they would scrape across the floor with all the rubber sole hanging off and laces undone) but very bad mind, he liked groping the girls, was small but heavy handed and would laugh about hurting people or breaking their possessions. He was a bit of a nuisance and rumour had it he had raped a woman not so long before. There are a few who went to my school who were involved in gang fayre but he is the only one who springs to mind who actually killed.

A girl I grew up with and was particularly close to as a teenager has not long gone down for attempted murder. She stabbed another woman with intent to kill her, the poor girl very nearly died, she was in a coma for a couple of months and had to have her leg amputated. She wasn't a particularly nice girl growing up, she was a compulsive liar and people would often refer to her as "Liar Liar". If you were sharing a story she would always come up with something more extravagant or amazing to trump yours but people rarely paid attention to what she said as she was always full of tit. She seemed unable to control her jealousy of other girls too, it was always very very obvious, she may as well have written it on her forehead it stuck out so much. I knew she was always a bit "off" but never in a million years thought she would try to kill somebody.

I mentioned this in another thread but I lived in a temporary council flat in Catfords Milton Towers, South London, my bedroom window ran parallel to the the murderer of Rochelle Holness and it sent shivers down my spine. What happened to her probably would have made the headlines but Sally Ann Bowman was also murdered later that week and her case dominated the headlines at the time. Rochelle Holness was only 15, it is believed her killer took her into his home where he dismembered her and dumped her body in black bin sacks in a trolley near the communal bins.


Rochelle Holness' killer.
 
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Has anyone met a known murderer that’s came out of prison or has a new identity?
I don't know them per se. But a lad I used to date for a few years, his younger brother and his friend killed a vulnerable old man and dumped his body in a canal when they were young teenagers.

One got out, no new identity but seemed a normal bloke, went onto have a long term relationship and a few kids. My ex's brother hasn't though, he fancies himself as a bit of a poor mans Charles Bronson inside and he will probably be in there forever.
 
A girl I went to school with, her brother was convicted of murdering his ex girlfriends new boyfriend in a jealous rage.

She was absolute scum and I hated her. She was always nasty because I was a bit alternative at the time and a "Goff" lol.

Edit: Google Ben Purdy murder. There's a better article. He said this to the judge:“Suck your mum, you p***y-hole” before turning to the press bench and sneering: “Put that in your newspapers, I’m glad he’s dead, mother-f*****s.” Like I said... Scum.
 
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I'm so fascinated by criminal psychology. I worked for legal aid in Australia and have previously defended people who have committed some really serious crimes. I always wanted to question them further to understand what had driven them to commit these brutal crimes, however it'd be totally unprofessional for me to have done that. Some seemed totally 'normal', polite and like they were genuinely lovely people despite their crimes - others gave me chills. Have to say, I definitely don't miss that job one bit...

I haven't known anyone who's ever committed murder before murdering someone though. I can't imagine how it must feel knowing an old school friend, work colleague or ex partner...gosh even family member did that. You've all coped so well.
I’ve always been fascinated with lawyers who are on the defending side - can I ask how you act for someone who you know has committed a crime? I think my question is maybe too simple and I’m sure there’s no straight answer. I work in corporate legal but I’ve always been so interested in criminal law xx
 
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I had a extended family member who was in prison for murder. He was apparently a really well-liked guy when he was young but he just got into drugs that just totally messed with his mind and never really stopped.

Most of the family were fairly estranged from him by the time I was a kid (I only 'met' him once because he turned up outside a family get-together shouting/causing trouble on v. short-lived parole, which is the first I found out about him as a kid) but even his direct relatives only talk about him when he was a young man, if they ever do mention him.
He died a couple of years ago (and people did attend his funeral) but almost everyone acts like the guy they knew died long before the murder happened.
 
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As a student nurse (not nursing now as it was not for me) my first placement was in a mental health setting, years before one of the residents was paranoid his community psychiatric nurse was having an affair with his girlfriend, one day he attacked him and the nurse died a few days later of his injuries. the resident got off a manslaughter charge due to the fact he was undergoing an acute physotic episode and was sent to a secure unit for quite some time. And eventually ended up in a community psychiatric home, I was warned to watch my back with him but he was always nice as pie with me and if any of the other residents gave me grief he would step in with a look and a verbal warning.
 
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I’m so glad this is anonymous...

2 of my ex boyfriends ended up murdering people. I actually hate myself for being with them, I carry so much guilt inside myself for it 😳 although I must clarify I wasn’t with either of them at the time
Oh my gosh unlucky ! How did you find out we’re they honest with you ?
 
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Not murder but there was a suspected pedophile ring at my 2ndry school - 3 members of staff were convicted.
1 was done for the really serious, graphic porn images they’d found that included animals and babies. Literally everyone knew he was dodgy. He used to ask girls to stay behind alone and everyone knew absolutely not to. He cornered 1 girl in a supply cupboard, tried to force himself on her and when she reported it the school basically said his word against hers and kept him on! They regretted that then it all came out and girl went to the papers!

The other 2 were really “normal” & it was a total shock to everyone.
 
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I’ve always been fascinated with lawyers who are on the defending side - can I ask how you act for someone who you know has committed a crime? I think my question is maybe too simple and I’m sure there’s no straight answer. I work in corporate legal but I’ve always been so interested in criminal law xx
I always want these killers to have great lawyers. That way when then are convicted they cannot possibly claim "my defence lawyer did a tit job".

It's the only way I can think about it. They cannot possibly want them out on the streets.
 
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I’ve always been fascinated with lawyers who are on the defending side - can I ask how you act for someone who you know has committed a crime? I think my question is maybe too simple and I’m sure there’s no straight answer. I work in corporate legal but I’ve always been so interested in criminal law xx
I'm guessing they have to detach themselves from the emotions of the crime and focus on the facts/law plain and simple.
 
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Oh definitely. I lived near where poor Marsha McDonnell was murdered.
You must live/lived near me . I live opposite Levi Bellfields mum ( when she was alive ) When they were getting done for harassment the police set up surveillance cameras in a couple of the flats to watch them come and go . I worked in Twickenham when Amelie was murdered

we must be from the same area. I was a teenager when this happened and would walk in that area every day to go to school, scared everyone for ages.
I was in my 20s when this happened . Had just moved from another part of the area 10 minutes up the road . I remember everyone being scared to go out ,his mum died believing he was still innocent
 
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Not murder but my sister’s ex-partner’s son just escaped a jail sentence for possession of child pornography. He went home to watch it while his girlfriend was in labour. His girlfriend found the porn on his computer and immediately called the police.

I knew him when he was a little boy. I thought he was very sweet and funny. They grew up in a very strict religion- won’t say which but it’s practically a cult in some respects. It wouldn’t surprise me if that had a bearing. His elder sister was also sexually assaulted by her grandfather, who is also part of the same religion/cult. Pattern? 🤷‍♀️
 
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Three spring to mind for me.
- My dad was friends with a guy who got convicted of murdering his wife. There’s speculation over whether he actually did it (my dad’s always thought not) as he said she was killed by armed robbers in their home and has stood by that ever since. He seemed like a nice enough bloke from what I remember but I’d moved away by the time the killing happened.
- One of my oldest friends has a brother who’s currently serving his second stint in jail for paedophilia and I hope he never gets out. He served his initial conviction then got arrested a few months later and was put back in jail when police found he was still accessing child porn and by all accounts in news reports and things he doesn’t appear to show any remorse nor understanding of the severity of what he’s done. He was/is the stereotypical ‘weirdo’ but nothing ever suggested things would turn out that way.
- A bloke who used to work with my mum is currently awaiting trial for allegedly murdering his girlfriend last year. Again, he’s a stereotypical creepy weirdo and made a slew of inappropriate comments the few times I met him. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s found guilty as sin whenever the trial goes ahead.
 
I’ve always been fascinated with lawyers who are on the defending side - can I ask how you act for someone who you know has committed a crime? I think my question is maybe too simple and I’m sure there’s no straight answer. I work in corporate legal but I’ve always been so interested in criminal law xx
When you talk about 'defending' a client, you are not defending their actions you are defending their rights from a legal perspective. As a defence lawyer you are there to make sure that your clients rights aren't violated in anyway throughout the proceedings and pretty much be an advocate for them

(Hope this answers your question and I'm not teaching you to suck eggs:ROFLMAO: )
 
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My friend from schools dad was convicted of making and distributing indecent images of children. Even worse - he was a janitor at the local high school. I was gutted from my friend and the family, especially his wife as she's a lovely woman and obviously heartbroken and disgusted.
 
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Back in the 1980's long before the internet, we had a form of communication called Citizen's Band Radio, a liitle like Amateur radio, but you didn't need to pass exams to use it. The only thing you needed to "go on air" was a licence. I met the man, I went on to have a 5 year relationship with on the CB.
With very few restrictions, you were able to talk to all kinds of people. My then boyfriend and I, befriended a local kid - aged 16 or 17. There was nothing remarkable about him, just a bit mouthy. We had known him for several months, when we discovered that whilst out one night, he stabbed another teenager to death. I don't think he meant to kill him, maybe it was a fight that went wrong. Anyway, he was imprisoned for it. We obviously lost touch with him, but I sometimes think about him. One stupid moment, and lives are ruined.
 
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I’ve always been fascinated with lawyers who are on the defending side - can I ask how you act for someone who you know has committed a crime? I think my question is maybe too simple and I’m sure there’s no straight answer. I work in corporate legal but I’ve always been so interested in criminal law xx
In the UK if the client is pleading not guilty, you defend them based on this. If they confess to you that they're guilty but still wish to plead not guilty, you either remove yourself from the case or as someone else said, it'll mainly just be about their rights and you wouldn't be able to put forward an 'active defence' as such and say that they haven't committed the crime.

If they have pled guilty then again, it's about making sure the process is fair and advising them about what's likely to happen rather than actually 'defending' them in the sense of trying to get them off, hope that makes sense!

I'm a law grad whose just finished my LPC and this was a question we all had for my criminal lecturer - how could he defend people he knew had murdered/raped others - and he said that his job is to defend someone and make sure their rights aren't violated, his job isn't to judge anyone.
 
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