Harry and Meghan #105 Winning at life? More like whining at life.

[hanid4now]

I am ( as always ) about 2 threads behind!

Mild scoop here - I know someone whose other half works in/for the BRF. We are just FB fiends, but we do have a very close friend in common. They have always remained tight-lipped, but they have gone lockdown "bonkers" and started blabbing, as the staff are incandescent with rage. Our mutual friend met them for a drink this evening ( yay for open pubs! ) and this was said ( not verbatim ). Charles is in a state of paralysed shock. The Queen is protected and oblivious. However.....come the day HMTQ passes, a plan is afoot not to inform Harry until minutes before it is public, leaders of commonwealth countries will know before he does, because of fear of leaks, and the powers that be will wait for him to contact them about funeral attendance and will not chase/organise for him. If HMTQ ever falls ill and is in danger of passing, it will not be made public until her passing, to avoid "unseemly" ( yes that is verbatim ) publicity from "California" ( verbatim ), ( same goes for Charles coronation ) If accurate and not the beer talking ( this person has never uttered a word before ) , It is so sad it has come to this........... ( note - i have protected gender and timescales to avoid outing source - I proofread this about 15 times! - edited so much that I hope it makes sense )

That all sounds as if it old very much be true, rumours from staff don't seem to have ever reached the media (here or abroad) as far as I'm aware; yet now there seem to be a few "leaks".

If I were in RF I'd make formal statement about HMQ dying/ill etc the second I'm putting the phone down from Caifornia, to allow for no time for leaks or statements from over the pond.

Keep going down the pub with your lovely friend please x

 

[wisebutwild]

Don't forget Hydrate! ... along with ... Black Lives Matter. Ok maybe I made that last bit up but feel I'm quite entitled to as the other 'first words' are obviously also a load of fake shite and pathetic attention-seeking. Harry's a mess, he'll never come back from this, he needs serious therapy along with a good slap round the chops with a big wet kipper.

Just to lighten matters ........ are we using the big wet kipper before or after using the sellotape dispenser, which was suggested earlier?

 

[Keet]

Given all the stories that came out when Prince Philip was ill, the daily “Harry is ready to jump on a plane” “Meghan phones the Queen for updates” I wouldn’t be surprised if a ring of steel is put around her if she becomes seriously ill. I know if it was me I wouldn’t want a PR circus around my family member

 

[Pippa M]

Looking at the papers this morning all I can say is ...put a cork in it Haz. He really looks sad and bad...
Poor royals having to watch one of their own disintegrate in public.

 

[Vanelope]

Sorry bubba, but that's not true. The family were very keen to protect Diana after the divorce. If for no other reason than that she was a vulnerable woman living on the edge making up for lost time, and she was the mother of two princes. The fact is that she was determined to underline her new independence, and more importantly Bashir had instilled a fear and distrust of anyone the Royals sent to protect her so she insisted on not having Royal protection officers. Sadly she assumed Dodi's wealth would ensure top notch security when at the end of the day they were just blokes paid to do a job and I doubt any one of them would have literally taken a bullet for their boss the way the royal protection guys probably would for a royal.

This is another inconsistency with Harry. He really wants his Royal Security back, but also believes Diana unquestioningly. So either her RPOs were spying on her so she used Dodi’s security or they are the best of the best and she was unfortunately paranoid and had her fears manipulated.

 

[Chita]

Considering Harry wants to "serve" - ie help people,
This Mental Health thing (from the clips shown online) doesn't appear to offer any suggestions on how people suffering from mental health issues can help themselves or get help.

Remember Paul Simon's "fifty ways to leave your lover?"
Well Harry seems to be playing a game of how many different ways he can say "I'm angry with my Dad."



Plus, he's obsessed with security officers and wanting to be given money.

I've gone right off him.

 

[rainyfaces]

'However.....come the day HMTQ passes, a plan is afoot not to inform Harry until minutes before it is public, leaders of commonwealth countries will know before he does, because of fear of leaks.' From your OP.

Sorry, but you're suggesting leaders of Commonwealth countries would know before her own grandchild? There are 54 Commonwealth countries. You're suggesting that 54 Commonwealth countries would be told of the Queen's death before Harry? The thought behind this being that a minimum of 54 virtual strangers would keep confidences better than her own grandson?

To be honest if I don't want 1 close relative know something absolutely MASSIVE about me, my masterplan would not involve telling 54 other people from around the world, (some of whom I've probably never met). I don't know a soul who would think this was an amazing plan.

I don't believe for a moment that Charles and William would do this. It would be petty, cruel and unforgivable. This is about his granny dying. She adores Harry and I don't believe anyone would go so against her wishes to do this. The kickback from the public would be damaging beyond belief. The public would find out because one of the 54 Commonwealth leaders would doubtless say something. Their husbands/wives may let something slip, or their PAs. If a palace employee cannot be trusted with highly confidential information, why would you expect other people to keep their mouth's shut?

Having said that, even if it was true, it won't work now and a desperate hunt to track down the person who has shared this information will be underway. It would be easy to find them as so few people would know this. If Harry finds out about this and/or the media, the damage will be huge and long lasting. Imagine if the Sussex Squad discovered this was true? The monarchy is in a perilous position as it is. This could bring the Queen's reign to an end and even bring Charles and William down.

The irony of the moral high ground being asserted whilst doing exactly what the plan was allegedly created for, beggars belief. The plan to prevent the leaking of very personal information has been derailed by the leaking of very personal information. I'm shocked someone who works for the RF would say something like this, true or not. The last thing the RF and especially the Queen needs is a betrayal from her own staff. She's grieving for her husband and Harry and Archie who she may never see again. It's beyond cruel to do this to her.

The reason commonwealth leaders are told before the media can release anything is to prepare statements. H would still be told before the media and likely in the same time frame. I don't think anyone suggested Harry would leak, but other agents around him, as they continuously have done.

you're entitled to your opinion of course, no need to go bashing what others think though the RF want to control the narrative and reporting of HMTQ if she were to pass, and monteciti end does nothing but leak. To me seems really practical. You're assuming there's hours between death and media being informed (informed not being same as when reported) anyway. And why should the RF care so much about Harry's feelings when he does nothing but hurt them? PP was on his deathbed when their interview aired, yet he was worried solely about how Meghan felt. No one is entitled to anything in relationships, they have to be be built and maintained and should be based on mutual compassion and respect.

hope you're okay, you seem a bit wound up and antagonistic towards a lot of posters. Hope things get better if having a crap day etc, but putting on ignore for now. This kind of attitude to other posters isn't why I come here.

 

[Mollywobbles]

If he wants to live his life as Harry Markle, go for it. But she wants to be a Duchess so…

Isn't the trendy thing to merge both surnames to create a new one?
So...he would be Harry Winkle!

 

[hanid4now]

BIB
Spot on. I can remember my husband and I saying we‘d had enough of her constantly being in the news - the landmine stuff and then all the holiday pap shots. I think the tide was turning against her but then she died and became a saint.

Yes, the British public (and press) were certainly starting to change opinion on her, she was publicly with several different men, playing the rich yacht girl which wasn't becoming from the mother of Princes, she was starting to slag off RF (not in same way that H is), and getting on people's nerves a not - then tragically killed and bam Saint Diana!

 

[Mairag]

Do you remember a few weeks ago we were all saying, it’s too quiet, she’s up to something?? Funny that.

In regards to parenting and or lack of it....few of us can claim the perfect upbringing, those of us who are parents know we’re just making it up as we go along with our fingers crossed hoping for the best most of the time. I don’t pretend to know how to parent a child who has lost a mother or father, so (god forbid) if that were to happen, I would do all I could to get the professional help that child needed especially if my child lost that parent on the world stage as they did. You will never ever be able to convince me that William and the other one weren’t offered the very best of care and help, and continue to have access to it today. The fact that William has turned out such a stable man shows it’s not the parenting that fucked Harry up. And the fact that by all accounts Charles is devastated at the other one just proves what a low life piece of pond scum Harry has turned into. The controlled anger William showed delivering his statement wasn’t just directed at the BBC, that much is very clear. I bet he wants to beat Harry to tears with a polo club right now.

I would pay to watch that

 

[Miscanthus]

WTF? It was a problem but he didn't know why, he just didn't like it. What did it have to do with him anyway? The odious little shitbag should have kept it shut.

Then he did this https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-williams-fury-tony-blair-20802121
And yet woko and ohno still did this with him https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10924363/prince-harry-meghan-markle-tony-blair-summit/

Tony Blair is an insufferable, attention seeking narcissist who won't shut up.
Remind you of anybody?

 

[Tiddlypom]

As parents we all do our best. Looking back to my younger years I feel I could have done better but that’s with maturity on my side. I’m sure if we could raise our kids again there’s some things we would do differently. I feel Harry isn’t giving Charles a break. He did what he thought was right from his own background and being heir to the throne. He didn’t repeat the mistake and send the boys to Gordenston, he sent them so they’d be close by in Eton. He also hired Tiggy Legg Bourke who Harry in particular adored. I think it’s unfair to heap all the blame on the RF and Charles, Harry has to take some responsibility as a grown man now, he’s no longer a boy. I wonder if he’d be airing his laundry if Charles would be paying all his bills!
Also Harry has said he sweats profusely and gets anxiety during Royal functions. Well why didn’t they have a small intimate wedding. Surely he could have guided that to suit his needs..... but would it have suited Meghan and her Hollywood buddies?!

BIB-It’s interesting isn’t it. I know triggers can be specific but I am fascinated by the fact he can stand up at weirdo vaccination gigs and WE day stadium events without an issue but gets sweaty at royal functions. Feels a bit convenient

 

[Lady_H]

Oprah is a woke Democrat. Please understand that I was once a Dem voter myself. But the party is now consumed with their concept of “institutional racism” and that means destroying/re-creating...’building back better[... those very institutions they despise.. Taking down statues, banning books,...and now, even declaring that “Math is racist.”

The Markles are their wrecking crew for the ‘racist’ British monarchy. They are serving their purpose well.You have to fully understand what WOKE means to understand everything you are watching take place. You may agree with there objectives...half of America apparently does.

”Woke” is much more than a trend. Read about Biden’s push to install Critical Race Theory in every workplace, classroom, and government office. White American children will be taught that they are racist and they possess the odious “white privilege.”...even the poorest white kids whose families have worked the mines in West Va. for generations...have white privilege.

Critical race theory in the classroom: Understanding the debate

Critical race theory is the academic study of how racism has been shaped by laws and legal systems in the U.S.

abcnews.go.com

Businesses are coming on board the Woke movement as well. Coca-Cola, for example, is forcing employees to complete online training telling them to "try to be less white." These images are from an internal whistleblower:






Woke educators and politicians have also now asserted the idea that “Math is racist.” Teaching children that there is only ONE right math answer is racist. The following article describes what they suggest instead.

Oregon Department of Education Pushes Course for Teachers to Fight 'White Supremacy' in Math Class

Oregon teachers are being offered a course which asks them to link mathematics to racism and ‘white supremacy.’

www.westernjournal.com

Markles are on Team Woke and so is Oprah. These are just my opinions of course. But this is a powerful movement embraced by our current government. Half of America agrees and applauds the effort. They see Markle as a victim of YOUR institutional racism as well,as oursand Harry as being “woke” by love to the ugliness of the institution. Oprah is using their emotion to whip up empathy for them and the Woke movement, my opinion only of course.

I really want to stand up and salute this post. You phrase it perfectly. I’m no longer living in the US but like you was a life long Democrat who now sees that party as utterly despicable. I voted Trump last time as the only person capable of standing up to a frighteningly toxic, racist, woke agenda that will do the country - and western culture in general - huge harm. I knew if Biden got in the whole thing would turn from a river into a tsunami. Trump was doing a decent job of getting rid of critical race Theory, and Biden has brought it right back - front and centre. The democrat party is so lost, and so far removed from what it once was, and so up it’s own arse with identity politics, but people persist in seeing them as the good guys!

H&M have found their small place, and are playing their small roles, in history and popular culture at a very specific time. Without this disgraceful
woke agenda they couldn’t possibly have found the platform they have, celebrated and celebrating victims and victimhood.

 

[Ireckon]

@Hadenoughofthiscrsp The allegation currently being thrown about is that she ditched Royal protection and drivers because Bashir told her she couldn't trust any of them as they were all plotting to smear her.
I hate to say it, but there might be an element of truth to that. RPOs wouldn't have allowed an 'evade the press by driving fast' situation to occur.

However we don't know how much of this OhNo was aware of. He seemed to be bitching that the paparazzi were responsible for years, Bashir wasn't the paparazzi.

I hope PW has been writing his own personal diary for history to read in the future.

 

[Ck13]

How can you have a therapy session with cameras shoved in your face ?? His intentions are not pure .

 

[ForeverMakingJibesWicked]

I normally never post on these threads and think that MM was truly singled out because of the colour of her skin by the press but FML what is he doing????

this is insane, plus they have become total peddlers of misery porn, I really couldn’t give a duck about whether Glenn Close was raised in a cult or whatever.

I honestly wished those two well, it takes guts to break fully from the RF but instead of talking a classy, dignified path of integrity, he’s become tragic clickbait fodder.

plus in today’s pics she is wearing a T-Shirt that’s says “Raising the Future” making her look like some tragic Instamum from Brockley.

 

[Ireckon]

I was just thinking how inappropriate Harry is talking about walking behind his mother’s coffin , When many young children haven’t been able to attend their parents funeral due to COVID.

 

[Jenealey83]

Oh the difference! William actually finds solace in his family whereas ginge allows himself to be manipulated by that thing he's married to.

 

[Peachsquish]

RICHARD KAY: Prince William's fury over Diana's betrayal

From Kensington Palace, Prince William can just about look out on the patch of grass where he and Harry played as boys - these day the area is screened by hedges, writes RICHARD KAY.

www.dailymail.co.uk

'No gesture was more profound than his reassurance after she lost her royal title following her divorce from Prince Charles. ‘Don’t worry,’ he told her. ‘I don’t mind what you’re called — you’re Mummy.’

Diana would often open her eyes wide in wonder at the son who looked so like her and remark: ‘He’s wise that one, beyond his years.’ '

But hey, poor Harry, right?

Also from that article

 

[LadyMuck]

I know this will sound snarky but I have got to get it out. I do wish people would stop comparing and contrasting the behaviour of Haz and Smeg to single mums on council estates. The image of the poor, desperate, depressed single mum living in a council house is such a horrible, overused, stereotype and it is really patronising and derogatory. It also untrue in a lot of cases.

Not all single mums live on council estates and not all council estates are full of single mums. Not all single mums living on council estates are poor, desperate, or depressed. I have worked on council estates and a lot of single mums living there are perfectly ok and doing absolutely fine. They neither wish to be married or with a partner, or childless. They would be furious at being described as the exact opposite to Haz and his wife. It is so demeaning to put Haz at one end of a spectrum and those imagined poor, desperate, single mums at the other. Why do these women always have to be depicted as the bottom of the pile? So unfair.

As for social services rushing round ‘pronto’ to rescue that poor single, pregnant woman in her council flat who has expressed a desire to end her life? Not a chance the way things are at present in the UK. Like mental health services in this country, social services departments have been cut to the bone. Only the most utterly desperately people at risk, or victims, of abuse, neglect and / or violence will get social services intervention these days. Even then, that visit will not be ‘pronto’ as there are not enough staff available to free up a social worker to go and rush round ‘pronto’. They will go in the queue along with all the other families on their visit list.

Sorry for the snark but I have worked on council estates and I have also reported certain families to social services out of concern for their children. I cannot name one case where a social worker dashed round to see them ‘pronto’ as a result of my referral. They visited eventually but it wasn’t classed as urgent, even though, on paper, the situation looked serious. Social services are far too stretched and, like MH services, only the utterly, utterly desperate situations demand immediate attention, the rest have to wait in line with everybody else. I am not saying this is right, far from it. But many people have this image that social workers will be rushing round at the very first inkling of a problem. When in reality is not like that at all.

Rant over...ahem. Back to the Two Twunts...

Calm down dear, its just an opinion .

Seriously though, I wasn't comparing HnM 'behaviour' with single parents. I was making the point that it's unfair that they would be visited by the authorities for threatening suicide whilst pregnant yet HnM are not. If anything I was trying to highlight the unfairness.

I have both worked for Social Services and have been a single parent in a council house, many years ago.