i'm struggling to understand it. Seems like any movement/organization that doesn't pander to them is killed off
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We have two beautiful purebred dogs that don't seem to be too common a breed where I live. With the increase in dog thefts I've honestly become worried walking the dogs in the evening because they're tiny and their bite is probably not going to do a whole lot, and I'm tiny and won't be able to fight anyone either. I remember some men said hello to me and that my dogs are beautiful and it just turned me off so much.
I didn't really even think about the fact that a guy probably doesn't have to face that problem, but I've seen a few women say that they take the same precautions Sarah Everard (texting people when to expect you, having a phone on you, walking on main/well-used roads etc) and they never really considered that this is so normalised but also that even then they're still unsafe.
I’m surprised Mother’s Day isn’t trying to be cancelled.
I refuse to walk our dog in the fields or our wood. We live in what is considered a very safe village but safe for men.
I would not feel safe anywhere as a woman.
My husband doesn't get it and that infuriates me.
I would not feel safe anywhere as a woman.
My husband doesn't get it and that infuriates me.
I've no doubt trans women will centre themselves somehow
Lush last year did celebrate '(m)others day' so it's only a matter of time
I have a question for @Zenchick101
In terms of gender neutral language how would that work in a gendered language, i.e most European languages? I can imagine it seeming a bit silly.
In terms of gender neutral language how would that work in a gendered language, i.e most European languages? I can imagine it seeming a bit silly.
On subject of mother's day - what are your guys' opinions on trans couples being parents?
I caught the last few minutes of a BBC 2 (I think) documentary on a couple who were both trans having a child through surrogacy or something of the like, wasn't sure what to really make of it personally
I caught the last few minutes of a BBC 2 (I think) documentary on a couple who were both trans having a child through surrogacy or something of the like, wasn't sure what to really make of it personally
Why can't they just adopt? I am not a fan of surrogacy at all, women are not baby making machines. There are plenty of children in need of loving homes if they really want a family.
I mentioned this a few pages back. My over arching feeling was Jake the female to male was a coercive, horrible little thing. Hannah seemed very sweet but he was a jumped up a hole.
I draw the line at a female carrying a baby when she's apparently presenting as a man with a beard.
I don't know what to make of the whole thing. My mind is too smashed by it
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Adoption for many isn't the solution or answer.
It's made to sound easy and the answer to issues with fertility which it isn't.
And it's always said by ppl who have kids
As long as they let their child make their own choices then I have no issue with trans people / couples being parents.
A few years ago there was a video on youtube that was meant to be pro-trans but showed a transwoman asking their three year old daughter whether she preferred to play with dolls or trucks. When she said trucks, they said "that's because you're really a boy because boys play with trucks." That I have an issue with.
Edit - also the mother would need to be off testosterone / hormones (including while breast feeding if they did so) just so that it didn't impact the baby's development.
Why is surrogacy an answer though? Women being paid to make babies, to me it is making a commodity out of womens bodies and I'm not a fan at all. I can only imagine the long lasting psychological effects on the mother
Proper surrogacy has a lottt of guidelines. The 'mother' is required to have had other children or already have their family 'finished', so giving a child away wouldn't be as hard essentially but also there would be no risk to the 'mother'. They're apparently usually older for these reasons too.
@Inforapenny I just noticed your edit. Is that facepalm directed at me? I don't have kids and I would appreciate not having assumptions being made about me.
I'm not buying it. There is, thanks to biology, in most cases, going to be a massive bond between mother and child. It is making a commodity out of womens bodies and womens bodies are not baby making machines. I'm sorry to say but it is not everyone's absolute right to have kids. You have decided to pump yourself full of oestrogen or testosterone (as applicable) then that is the choice you have made. You have prioritised this over everything else so this is why the thoughts of trans people using a woman as a baby making vessel just doesn't sit right with me
Beat me to it as per
100% agree and also don’t have children.Yep...the 'just adopt' is something that makes my skin crawl.
I wish people wouldn't say it. And then saying 'There is, thanks to biology, in most cases, going to be a massive bond between mother and child' flies in the face of the 'just adopt' attitude.
I wish people wouldn't say it. And then saying 'There is, thanks to biology, in most cases, going to be a massive bond between mother and child' flies in the face of the 'just adopt' attitude.
Well in French literally everything is heavily gendered, from a chair to a zit(absolutely everything). Not only that, but everything is also heavily gendered when you're reffering to someone's belongings. Not only that but you've got weird grammatical exceptions in French which most people don't get, so most people make casual grammatical mistakes even if they speak the language. Then you've got a bunch other pronouns that sound exactly the same as other words, any attempts I've seen of wokies trying to introduce gender neutral language has been hilariously bad.
For example:
la (feminine neutral) - ex: la chaise/the chair
le (masculine neutral) ex: le four/the stove
sa (possessif feminine- when you're reffering to someone's belonging(kind'ove) ex: sa chaise=her/his chair (this is used for men+women, the gender of the object doesn't change)
son (possessif masculine) ex: son livre(book is masculine)=his/her book.
then the few attempts I've seen of inclusive language from wokies, first are really hard to read/understand because of the example above, second if you said them out loud would sound weird.. for example;
lel instead of elle (her) (I think?) sounds like l'aile (which means wing, a chicken wing, the wing of an airplaine, a property).
lil instead of il (he) sounds like île/l'ile which means an island, a region (paris is in the ile de france region), there's une ile flottante (which is a dessert)..
Haven't seen attempts at making objects gender neutral, but I'm pretty sure they'll fail if they try it. Changing He/Her pronouns already sounds stupid.
Sorry for the long answer but this was just to illustrate how hard and futile it would be @SqualorVictoria you would have to literally change every pronoun for every object for every grammatical case scenario
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And not to mention the physical effects of pregnancy on a woman particularly if she is older as was mentioned aboveBeat me to it as per
I apologise if I've hit a nerve. Adopting is hard, very hard, but not impossible (I have friends who have been through it). Please note that this discussion is specifically in relation to the trans couple mentioned and not a blanket discussion, I've already stated my reasons why I believe surrogacy to be extremely problematic. And I stand by those.
Not hit a nerve, I'm calling you out on a sweeping statement that is ignorant.
With the greatest respect having a friend who has been through it is not the same as being adopted or adopting. And if you think this is a trans specific context then surely the 'just adopt' attitude is as problematic as surrogacy?
I don't necessarily see an issue with trans adopting or having their own child as long as it is a loving, kind environment.
Surely there is a greater issue with parents who push their kids into having to gender conform or being made non binary or trans at the age of 4
I don't think this is always the case. There are plenty of parents out there who are horrible parents and their bond to a child doesn't matter, though I don't have children of my own so cannot comment. I also think you have to consider the fact that there is a level of consent here - it is women who agreed to be surrogates and get paid for it, they understand the process. They haven't just been taken from thin air to suddenly be surrogates for trans couples, if anything years ago no one would have thought there would be a need for surrogate involvement in trans relationships I reckon.
Can't really comment on the age thing but I imagine the surrogate's health is of the most importance and they're not considered to be 'high risk'
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