Yes... I am not sure they will stay together. I imagine it must be quite difficult to deal with even if she already knew... Ellen, the person that she knew is essentially dead. I remember when Caitlynn Jenner came out, she said that is what Kris, etc found the harded. Kris said she had to grieve Bruce.
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Just want to say, I saw how you were treated on the Jack Monroe thread and was appalled. For a group that loves to pat itself on its back about how moral and kind they are, they sure like to aggressively crush those who dissent from their popular opinions. You were brave for speaking up!
Regardless of anyone's opinion on gender, Jack Monroe is a chronic liar, label-collector and attention seeker. Why should her low-effort non-binary claims be treated differently than any of her other bull? She got what she wanted out of it, which is a label, an oppressed status, and column inches.
I think there must be a fair few men and women whose partners have transitioned out there. I can imagine for many its pretty earth-shattering. Your sense of self, your sexuality, your role within the couple - its suddenly all changing. If your spouse has been 'living a lie' in the 'wrong body' what does that say about you and your relationship? I dunno... if I was married to a man who decided to transition I would really struggle with it.
Also, I can imagine if the partner does leave EP she will be vilified for doing so, called transphobic by EP’s fans, etc. I would hate to be put in that position.
Agree with this. I also post on the Jack Monroe threads and was surprised by the shutdown of that topic. To me it was completely on-topic. If she wanted to live as a man, I'd understand that. But her wishy-washy back and forth is symptomatic of everything else she does, which normally everyone is happy to pile in on!
(by wishy-washy, I mean I fully support people to explore what is right for them, and it's so easy to begin on a transition pathway that I also respect the very brave decision to detransition. In Jack's case... well she is 90% bull and so convinced she is a special flower. In her case there's a very high chance it was all nonsense!)
Thanks. I really appreciate it.
But I wasn’t surprised. Hate directed at gender critical women is socially acceptable... encouraged even, isn’t it? Doesn’t matter if the hate comes from other women because they’re ignorant about what we’re facing here - the most important thing is to virtual signal
I actually forgot myself in that thread and said too much. I should have known it was a bad idea to take my opinions outside of a safe space like this thread.
I frequent the Jack threads and for the most part like them to discuss her outrageous lies and narcissisism but yes, I agree with you on Jack, she's so full of bull on anything, a complete narc and a liar and makes a mockery of everything. Jack plays whatever persona suits her at the time. Recently she announced in her own words "duck it, I'm a woman" but then trots out the non-binary as a retort when ever anyone brings up gender on her Twitter feed. Jack is not someone to sit down sensibly and have a debate with on gender topics, for sure. Sorry you got shot down on the JM threadThanks. I really appreciate it.
But I wasn’t surprised. Hate directed at gender critical women is socially acceptable... encouraged even, isn’t it? Doesn’t matter if the hate comes from other women because they’re ignorant about what we’re facing here - the most important thing is to virtual signal
I actually forgot myself in that thread and said too much. I should have known it was a bad idea to take my opinions outside of a safe space like this thread.
A lot of people subscribe to the notion that asking questions about gender = hate and that discussions must be shut down. Sad.
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I’m surprised to hear that on the JM thread, last time I looked on there and that was mentioned people were (rightly) ridiculing that phase she went through and adding it to her list of fakeness.
I've just seen a Twitter thread with a photo of Page and Laverne Cox, towering over her, together at some kind of public event or awards ceremony and people cheering that now they're both trans! The irony of the obvious biological reality of the photo was totally lost on these people
Reminds me of Jacob, formerly Hope, Chapman who's known in fandom circles for her podcasts and reviews of anime. When she came out as a transman a few years ago her boyfriend stayed with her and insisted he was now "gay" ... I don't think it works that way
Glosswitch is so painfully spot on here. Why is it not obvious?
I notice as well Page trying to make the point that she is still "queer" - presumably so she won't be accused of being a privileged straight white man. It makes me think of a well known "large-positive"/"health at every size" activist who wrote an essay saying that she was upset that, after she'd got ill and lost weight involuntarily, people were now praising her and saying she'd find it easier to get a boyfriend. She said she didn't want one and was afraid that weight loss would make people stop seeing her as "queer." A few years later she is now married to a man. I don't doubt she is bisexual but it's about latching onto "queer" as a marginalised identity - and genderism is often caught up in that. (I don't disparage actual gay people who use "queer" for themselves, but it's their word, not that of gender fanatics)
I found the news about Elliot Page a bit sad. I just listened to a podcast about the rapid decline in les visibility in recent years linked to the increasing trend towards identifying as non binary (and not necessarily medically transitioning) - they seem to fall into that category.
Page also only came out in 2014. It was quite a powerful moment as I remember.
There are people who previously tried to ask Page to publicly state that les communities welcome transwomen, now saying she is and has always been male - not when it was convenient for you, it seems? And even saying that all her roles in movies are now retrospectively male and Juno was about a "boy" giving birth, this despite the fact that a studio she's working with on an upcoming movie has just released a statement saying Page will still go ahead with her role as a "cis woman" in this film
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I broke my own advice and peeped at Twitter earlier - it’s not a nice place to be. 
. Logging off it again for a couple of days, properly this time.
I really do worry about trying to change the past. What about parents who raised a girl or boy, of course they don’t want to be mean and deadname their child, but are they never allowed to discuss with other people e.g close confidants about their memories of raising a daughter or a son? To deny they ever gave birth to a girl, for example? I can understand being supportive in the present and the future, but surely it should be a case of acknowledging there was one version of a past, and now there is a new chapter, a future, rather than gaslighting people into “correcting” the past? Like do you go as far as vilifying a grandparent for slipping up and saying “I have fond memories of taking my granddaughter to the park when she was a little child?” I ask because i used to have a colleague who changed his name to a religiously appropriate name when he changed religion. We were all told his new name and to start using it, but he didn’t have a go at us for slipping up and saying his old name, because some of us had worked with him years and it’s not an immediate thing to suddenly get right. Of course we all tried, out of respect, as colleagues. But can you expect a mother or father to always refer to their trans child as their preferred gender when you’ve spent years calling them something else? Do they get branded a TERF for slipping up?
I’m scared that where ever you go, there’s someone waiting to crush you for not being woke-compliant or up to speed with it all.
. Logging off it again for a couple of days, properly this time. I really do worry about trying to change the past. What about parents who raised a girl or boy, of course they don’t want to be mean and deadname their child, but are they never allowed to discuss with other people e.g close confidants about their memories of raising a daughter or a son? To deny they ever gave birth to a girl, for example? I can understand being supportive in the present and the future, but surely it should be a case of acknowledging there was one version of a past, and now there is a new chapter, a future, rather than gaslighting people into “correcting” the past? Like do you go as far as vilifying a grandparent for slipping up and saying “I have fond memories of taking my granddaughter to the park when she was a little child?” I ask because i used to have a colleague who changed his name to a religiously appropriate name when he changed religion. We were all told his new name and to start using it, but he didn’t have a go at us for slipping up and saying his old name, because some of us had worked with him years and it’s not an immediate thing to suddenly get right. Of course we all tried, out of respect, as colleagues. But can you expect a mother or father to always refer to their trans child as their preferred gender when you’ve spent years calling them something else? Do they get branded a TERF for slipping up?
I’m scared that where ever you go, there’s someone waiting to crush you for not being woke-compliant or up to speed with it all.
They even police other trans people over it! I've seen gender critical trans people attacked for acknowledging that they were born their biological sex. There's an MTF artist in Japan who published an autobiographical graphic novel called "The Bride Used to Be a Boy" and when an English translation was published, people attacked them over it even though it is about this person's own life and how they see themselves
Sorry if this was mentioned already but has anyone seen the Queen's Gambit? One of the "female" teachers in the first episode is so blatantly obviously trans. They look very large and manly and when I looked down at my phone for a sec I thought it was a man speaking when it was them. It's so distracting! And they think we can't tell unless we know what's in their pants 
Now imagine if a woman took a trans role away from someone in the trans community? Oh wait, we don't have to imagine that, it has happened and there was uproar.Sorry if this was mentioned already but has anyone seen the Queen's Gambit? One of the "female" teachers in the first episode is so blatantly obviously trans. They look very large and manly and when I looked down at my phone for a sec I thought it was a man speaking when it was them. It's so distracting! And they think we can't tell unless we know what's in their pants
I hate to say it but this really distracted me while watching. It didn't feel like organic casting. Like they were trying to make a point.Sorry if this was mentioned already but has anyone seen the Queen's Gambit? One of the "female" teachers in the first episode is so blatantly obviously trans. They look very large and manly and when I looked down at my phone for a sec I thought it was a man speaking when it was them. It's so distracting! And they think we can't tell unless we know what's in their pants
I know, the hypocrisy just beggars belief tbh
Yup, same. Just casually having an obvious transwoman as a teacher in a girl's school in the 60s is not believable at all
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