Gender Discussions #3

[HockyRorror]

I don’t know why but the gender debate doesn’t come up in my real life. In my mid 30s as are most of my friends, but I don’t think anyone I know is on twitter.
Over the last year two teenage girls I know (well know their parents) have announced they are trans. One is about 15/16 and the other 12. The 12 year olds father made a huge speech on fb about six months ago about how she is now he and got loads of support ect. Recently he did another post about how she has decided she is a girl and not trans anymore. I felt so relieved. Weird that the parents are doing these big public announcements.

I work in a hospital and very recently there was a link in an email about trans badges being available, not seen anyone wearing one. I am expecting things to creep into work. Again no one has ever said anything much in my real life. I have been lucky so far

I would have died of embarrassment if either of my parents made a big public coming out announcement about me like that on social media.



And she changed her mind six months later? I am shocked. That’s SO unlike a (almost) teenager, practically unheard of...

 

[Vee6]

I know. With all the parental encouragement I was so worried she would be on the medical pathway! People on fb far less supportive of her ‘deciding’ she’s actually a girl than of being trans.

 

[HockyRorror]

I know. With all the parental encouragement I was so worried she would be on the medical pathway! People on fb far less supportive of her ‘deciding’ she’s actually a girl than of being trans.

Are these less supportive people of her facing biological facts random strangers wading in or family and friends?

 

[Vee6]

I think it was maninly friends. But far fewer likes and messages

 

[SqualorVictoria]

Check out this post from the CEO of TENI (trans equality network Ireland), it is jaw dropping and completely devoid of self awareness.

If you're a "genital attracted individual" you're an ignorant bigot

Transphobia in Tinderland

Dating while trans is never easy. However, with the updates dating apps are pushing out to be more inclusive why is transphobia there?

medium.com

Bottom line is, when you're a trans identified male and regardless of whether your preference is lesbians or straight men, you can't trick either of those parties into fancying you.

It would be no different to me hanging around Grindr and trying to trick a gay man into fancying me because "maybe he'll like my personality and we'll connect and he won't care that I've got a tina"

These people are thick, entitled and lacking in self awareness

 

[Zenchick101]

Check out this post from the CEO of TENI (trans equality network Ireland), it is jaw dropping and completely devoid of self awareness.

If you're a "genital attracted individual" you're an ignorant bigot

Transphobia in Tinderland

Dating while trans is never easy. However, with the updates dating apps are pushing out to be more inclusive why is transphobia there?

medium.com

Bottom line is, when you're a trans identified male and regardless of whether your preference is lesbians or straight men, you can't trick either of those parties into fancying you.

It would be no different to me hanging around Grindr and trying to trick a gay man into fancying me because "maybe he'll like my personality and we'll connect and he won't care that I've got a tina"

These people are thick, entitled and lacking in self awareness

gay men are harrassed like that on grindr apparently

"Also, what the heck are female internal organs? Is there a female lung and a male lung now? Also I think that person may have been a black market organ collector." - a uterus? cervix? ovaries? something we learned about in sex ed but you probably ducked off when it was the girl's turn to be educated on their sexual organs

 

[maytoseptember]

Any one seen this video (I have to confess, I only lasted two and a quarter minutes) of Eddie Izzard wanging on about coming out as trans in 1985 with his breast implants and - this is new - hair extensions? He couldn’t be any more of a creepy AGP if he tried. Properly repellent.

YouTube

And I used to LOVE him in the late 90s. I had so much more respect for him when he was just a man who liked lipstick, heels and nail polish.

I also thought Grayson Perry on last night’s Jonathan Ross show was interesting. He never hides the fact that he’s a transvestite and it’s a fetish. He even called himself a p I haven’t checked Twitter, but presumably he’s now been cancelled for harming the trans community?

 

[2020two]

Check out this post from the CEO of TENI (trans equality network Ireland), it is jaw dropping and completely devoid of self awareness.

If you're a "genital attracted individual" you're an ignorant bigot

Transphobia in Tinderland

Dating while trans is never easy. However, with the updates dating apps are pushing out to be more inclusive why is transphobia there?

medium.com

Bottom line is, when you're a trans identified male and regardless of whether your preference is lesbians or straight men, you can't trick either of those parties into fancying you.

It would be no different to me hanging around Grindr and trying to trick a gay man into fancying me because "maybe he'll like my personality and we'll connect and he won't care that I've got a tina"

These people are thick, entitled and lacking in self awareness

I'm bisexual, so a lot of people assume I'd happily date someone trans as I like both sets of genitals, but nope. I'm not sexually attracted to surgically engineered organs that don't work naturally. But it's not just that - I don't have the understanding or emotional capacity to support someone who is transgender. My ex came out as non binary while we were together, I've seen what it's like first hand for someone to doubt their identity, and I just do not have the head space for it!

And let me tell you, having a man who just wears nail polish act like he understood anything about periods, pregnancy, and ultimately my terrifying emergency twin C section was a ginormous kick in the ovaries. Glad to get that off my chest!

 

[IndominusRex]

That Eddie Izzard video has put me right off my breakfast. He really used to seem as though he got it. What happened?

 

[emmer_moans]

I think it is really horrible and immoral for some trans identified people to insist on gay, bisexual and les people being attracted to them... or else it’s “hatred.” I’m heterosexual, so you wouldn’t find it acceptable to emotionally manipulate me into accepting attraction to another woman, so why is it “acceptable” to force a les to be in a relationship with a trans identified woman with male sexual organs? What about the rights of the individual? There should be forums and places where pansexual and trans identified people can say what they are up for and meet one another in the knowledge that they are all singing from the same page. They should stop harassing LGB people. If that vastly reduces their dating pool that that’s their problem. I’ve not time for people being bullied into submission to someone else’s agenda like that. Imagine being a teenager with a friend like that that starts telling you who you should be attracted to and then shaming you for not wanting that.

I’ve no problem with trans identified people finding happiness with people on a similar page, but for goodness sake, stop forcing agenda on others. Sexual attraction is a personal thing which no one else should have a steer on other than the individuals concerned. And it should be mutual, not one sided.

 

[emmer_moans]

Keira Bell: “There was nothing wrong with my body” - Woman's Place UK

As a 14-year-old, Keira Bell started experiencing severe discomfort with her body. She did not fit into stereotypes about femininity and thought that the problem was her body.

womansplaceuk.org

An interesting read, especially the part about teens forming their sense of self on scoial media.

 

[mindlessness]

I think it is really horrible and immoral for some trans identified people to insist on gay, bisexual and les people being attracted to them... or else it’s “hatred.” I’m heterosexual, so you wouldn’t find it acceptable to emotionally manipulate me into accepting attraction to another woman, so why is it “acceptable” to force a les to be in a relationship with a trans identified woman with male sexual organs? What about the rights of the individual? There should be forums and places where pansexual and trans identified people can say what they are up for and meet one another in the knowledge that they are all singing from the same page. They should stop harassing LGB people. If that vastly reduces their dating pool that that’s their problem. I’ve not time for people being bullied into submission to someone else’s agenda like that. Imagine being a teenager with a friend like that that starts telling you who you should be attracted to and then shaming you for not wanting that.

I’ve no problem with trans identified people finding happiness with people on a similar page, but for goodness sake, stop forcing agenda on others. Sexual attraction is a personal thing which no one else should have a steer on other than the individuals concerned. And it should be mutual, not one sided.

I agree! Though It seems that trans people aren't often attracted to other trans people?

It strikes me a little as a validation thing. I think sometimes a TIF wants to ‘pass’ enough as a woman that a straight man or les woman will sleep with them/date them. Which some do, of course. The issue arises for me when they’re resentful or angry that not everyone does.

 

[CheshireLove]

Teen Vogue were back at it again the other day with an article on self for ‘tina owners’.

The cynic in me thinks they only do this to bring attention to their dying magazine.

 

[SILKWORM]

I’ve known similar. I act ‘innocent’ and ask them if they feel any less homosexual when with a guy and they go down on his tina which turns to ‘confused’ as they sputter no and try and explain why “it’s not the same”.

Reminds me when Owen Jones said that someone (a gender critical person, I think) asking him when the last time he went down on a tina (can't remember the exact words but it was along these lines) was homophobia. I've no idea what the reaction of the ~queers~ were but I know some gender critical people pointed out that it couldn't be homophobia because vaginas aren't inherently female.

It was quite amusing.

 

[maytoseptember]

Keira Bell has won her case!

I hope the Tavistock are shitting themselves.

 

[SqualorVictoria]

Fantastic. There is some sense left in the world and hopefully people will start to see this pernicious ideology for what it really is and leave kids the hell alone

 

[maytoseptember]

These tweets are horrifying.

 

[SqualorVictoria]

Some prominent TRAs are saying that Keira has actually lost?

 

[Bitofthebubbly]

Some prominent TRAs are saying that Keira has actually lost?

Because they are stupid.

Mermaids have tweeted about how now kids won’t be able to get a hold of ‘life saving’ puberty blockers. They rely so much on this emotive way of speaking rather than looking at the facts. I highly doubt there is any evidence that shows blockers to be ‘life saving’ drugs for trans children. Life saving drugs to me are things like insulin for diabetics, things that actually keep your body alive and ticking over. Not something that is used off label and deliberately stops the natural development of the human body and brain resulting in a bunch of adults with childlike bodies walking around.

 

[emmer_moans]

Because they are stupid.

Mermaids have tweeted about how now kids won’t be able to get a hold of ‘life saving’ puberty blockers. They rely so much on this emotive way of speaking rather than looking at the facts. I highly doubt there is any evidence that shows blockers to be ‘life saving’ drugs for trans children. Life saving drugs to me are things like insulin for diabetics, things that actually keep your body alive and ticking over. Not something that is used off label and deliberately stops the natural development of the human body and brain resulting in a bunch of adults with childlike bodies walking around.

Hopefully now influencers won’t blindly raise money for Mermaids and the like. So many of them have been doing so without scratching the surface of what they were actually raising money for, and a few I follow, have raised money for mermaids as a retaliation against JKR.