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Spotted on my Twitter feed: "please respect my daughter's pronouns, which are ey/em/eir". If she acknowledges she's female, why does she need special pronouns, what is wrong with "she"? And "ey/em/eir" is stupid anyway, it's just they/them/their with two letters removed
I'm trying to imagine literary classics in 50-100 years time using ey/em/eir 😂 my academic heart is screaming at the made up nonsense/grammatical ignorance. How can people keep a straight face! If my children asked me to call them EY I'd be on the floor (good thing the only word they know so far is mama!)
 
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The next time I find myself opening a sanitary wrapper in a public bathroom I will be as loud as possible for teenage-me who was embarrassed about the noise and for adult me who is angry a company is even advertising a silent wrapper. Why not run a campaign about how normal opening a tampon wrapper is? Rather than decide it’s a problem that needs fixing and further encouraging girls to feel embarrassed about their periods. Ugh.
 
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Personally I’m scared by how things are going with the gender politics and then that leads me to consider voting for the other side, when really i want to be central.
All i do know is i will be looking very carefully at gender identity policies of all the parties at the next election and make a decision based on that. Such a blooming mess.
I’ve always voted Labour - although didn’t mind Lib Dems under Clegg so much actually - but I’m rapidly approaching the conclusion that in the next election my vote goes to whichever party will stop this nonsense. If that isn’t a left leaning party then so be it. However it is such an awful conclusion when you consider this could mean voting Conservative after the way they’ve handled Brexit and Covid it really isn’t an easy pill to swallow. Such a horrible predicament to be in.
 
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I'm having a wobbly moment- the moment where I feel like maybe I'm a terrible person and intolerant.
 
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I'm having a wobbly moment- the moment where I feel like maybe I'm a terrible person and intolerant.
From what I've read of your posts - not just on this particular issue - you really strike me as someone who doesn't have a bad bone in their body. What has brought this on?
 
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After a while of not speaking to a family member, we were chatting and this topic came up. Think I said about how at work I was asked to use my pronouns to introduce myself. She was really surprised at my attitude as she thought I would ‘like gender neutral stuff’. I hate gender stereotypes- without them we could just have a boy liking dolls without him being called gay or trans. Grayson Perry is clearly a man and doesn’t say he is trans, he just likes what he likes! Obviously it’s fine for girls to be into traditionally male interests... I wonder why?!?!?
As for the silent wrappers... someone already said, why make a product to hide the fact women use sanitary products when you could, I don’t know, NORMALISE THAT HALF THE WORLD HAS PERIODS?!
 
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From what I've read of your posts - not just on this particular issue - you really strike me as someone who doesn't have a bad bone in their body. What has brought this on?
Thank you! I think it's just because I've started to speak up more and more in my personal life and people who I would generally consider to be like- minded are drinking the kool aid.
 
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I spent a bit of time on Twitter and I've realised nope, nope, nope, this ideology is just as regressive, sexist, dangerous, misogynistic, homophobic and damaging as I initially thought so 'scuse my wobble

PSA- Suzanne Moore now has a Substack!
 
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Spotted on my Twitter feed: "please respect my daughter's pronouns, which are ey/em/eir". If she acknowledges she's female, why does she need special pronouns, what is wrong with "she"? And "ey/em/eir" is stupid anyway, it's just they/them/their with two letters removed
“Please respect the fact I am my own person with my own brain which I will use to make my own mouth, teeth and tongue to formulate the words I want to say”.

Thank you! I think it's just because I've started to speak up more and more in my personal life and people who I would generally consider to be like- minded are drinking the kool aid.
Are you trying to cancel them, or end the friendship because they disagree with you like we have seen time and time again from people on the other side of the argument? If you’re not, then you don’t sound intolerant to me at all.
 
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I think the problem is that straight men just don't get what the issue is as it doesn't have any bearing on them. They're like "what's the problem, just live and let live, they're not hurting anyone". They don't get it

It's not just straight men - gay men as well seem to call everyone who questions all this 'TERFS'.
 
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It's not just straight men - gay men as well seem to call everyone who questions all this 'TERFS'.
Maybe on Twitter and the like.








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That’s just from one website.

And a gay men’s magazine is currently getting ratioed the hell out of them for bowing down and grovelling to the trans cult on Twitter as I type...
 
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Are you trying to cancel them, or end the friendship because they disagree with you like we have seen time and time again from people on the other side of the argument? If you’re not, then you don’t sound intolerant to me at all.
Got to be honest I’m coming close to this point. I’m starting to find people I know repulsive with all the stuff they’re posting and I just don’t know how I can stay friends with people who think it’s fine to chuck my/women’s rights away at the demands of a small but loud minority. I’m really not one to fall out with people about politics - have friends from all over the political spectrum - but how is everyone else dealing with this?
 
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Got to be honest I’m coming close to this point. I’m starting to find people I know repulsive with all the stuff they’re posting and I just don’t know how I can stay friends with people who think it’s fine to chuck my/women’s rights away at the demands of a small but loud minority. I’m really not one to fall out with people about politics - have friends from all over the political spectrum - but how is everyone else dealing with this?
I don’t know if this is down to luck, my family or friends, or down to the fact I don’t use any social media except to have a nose - but I’ve disagreed with friends and family on this issue, on Brexit, on how I was going to vote in the last election, on race issues and other stuff. Apart from the day of the Brexit result when one friend was angry to the point they didn’t speak to me for most of the next day but went back to normal the day after, I haven’t had any falling out or major issues. I do wonder, and still do, whether it’s down to lack of Facebook and Twitter because if I was dealing with as what you and others have described, seeing constant post after post banging on about something, “funny” memes which are actually insulting, generalisations, downright lies and self-indulgent “if you think X then please remove yourself from my life” posts, I think my friendship group and how I view my family members would be a LOT different as to what it is right now. So I don’t blame you. But outside of the online world, they’re not really conversations you constantly have unless the topic is brought up - and it also might be because people are a lot less confrontational face to face than they are online. From my own POV, I make it clear what my opinions are on things, but don’t go into depth about it sharing facts and figures to people like I would on here. If someone shoehorned politics, for example, into every conversation, my friendship with them would dissolve quickly but I don’t know anybody like that. My stepbrother has a few pro-Corbyn rants on a family group chat but they don’t last because we have other things to talk about. I can very well imagine he is a bleeping NIGHTMARE on Facebook, but I’ve never seen it nor have any idea if he has one!

Oh fuck off bbc.

For some reason it wouldn’t let me post the video like it usually does.
I’ve only watched half of it but it seemed fairly alright to me, don’t agree with what they’re saying at all but it didn’t seem offensive
 
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But outside of the online world, they’re not really conversations you constantly have unless the topic is brought up - and it also might be because people are a lot less confrontational face to face than they are online.
I think you're right about this and also I think this emboldens people to be much more extreme? I've spoken about the trans stuff with two of my closest friends in person before and it has never turned nasty even though they very much disagree with me, but seeing them posting ALL the time about TERFs and stuff is making me really think about how long I can stomach it. In person, I usually avoid topics of disagreement with close friends because I don't want to fall out about it and ultimately if you're all set in your views there's not much point in discussing it, but the ability to just post extreme infographics all the time is really turning me off people I care about. And definitely making me think differently about them. It's getting really hard.
 
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I think you're right about this and also I think this emboldens people to be much more extreme? I've spoken about the trans stuff with two of my closest friends in person before and it has never turned nasty even though they very much disagree with me, but seeing them posting ALL the time about TERFs and stuff is making me really think about how long I can stomach it. In person, I usually avoid topics of disagreement with close friends because I don't want to fall out about it and ultimately if you're all set in your views there's not much point in discussing it, but the ability to just post extreme infographics all the time is really turning me off people I care about. And definitely making me think differently about them. It's getting really hard.
I’ve said before I’m starting to see my teenage female cousin reposting and retweeting all the “cute” band “woke” virtue signalling infographics and I think they (teens in general) are heavily influenced by that kind of information because they are of an age where they have had smart phones since they were like 8 years old. It’s becoming the “done thing” to retweet, repost what your friends or favourite influencers are. There doesn’t seem to be much personal critical analysis going on on all these gender and social issues, imo. It’s all about being “relevant” and “virtuous” these days, as seen by the mass pile ons that happen on social media.

The topic hasn’t come up in real life with friends yet because i am a bit of an “acquaintance” person than someone who has really close friends, just in my nature, so I guess I’ve not really had scope to fall out with anyone in RL. It’s when the conversation happens at work and we’re put on the spot that worries me, and it is looming.
 
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Maybe on Twitter and the like.








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That’s just from one website.

And a gay men’s magazine is currently getting ratioed the hell out of them for bowing down and grovelling to the trans cult on Twitter as I type...


My male gay friends in real life are very pro-trans and anti what they see as TERFS. That's what I was basing my comment on.
 
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My male gay friends in real life are very pro-trans and anti what they see as TERFS. That's what I was basing my comment on.
I wonder is it down to internalised homophobia or feeling solidarity with them because they're believing the narrative about trans people being the most marginalised group in the world ever

I'm sorry to be blunt but I feel same sex attracted people owe the trans community absolutely nothing. What have trans people ever done for gay people? Except gaslight the hell out of lesbians and so on. The latest destroying of a gay magazine is a frightening turn of events
 
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My male gay friends in real life are very pro-trans and anti what they see as TERFS. That's what I was basing my comment on.
I’ve known similar. I act ‘innocent’ and ask them if they feel any less homosexual when with a guy and they go down on his tina which turns to ‘confused’ as they sputter no and try and explain why “it’s not the same”.
 
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