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So so much this. Honestly I think even bio women who swallow this guff have more internalised misogyny than they could ever begin to realise.
I hate saying this (and I apologize in advance if this offends anyone) but in my experience at least, often the loudest people in these communities tend to be very unattractive people inside and out, and I honestly can't help but feel like they want to use the whole trans thing to get attention and as an excuse for why people dislike them, instead of taking a hard look at themselves. It almost reminds of me of when companies started using "real bodies" (which is another topic onto itself, but I think it's good that they have a variety of body shapes instead of just tall, skinny, models, although being thin is also normal) and the people that were most hateful towards thin models were not the healthy, "normal" women with regular bodies but the super obese who clearly had medical issues, and deluded about this reality. Classic cases of deflect and attack.

The healthy LGBT people I know are honest about their preferences/situation, and just live their life like normal folks. They might donate to or occasionally bring awareness to major events in the LGBT community but they're not aggressive about it, and they accept that other people may have different opinions. They also don't impose their opinions onto others.
 
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I hate saying this (and I apologize in advance if this offends anyone) but in my experience at least, often the loudest people in these communities tend to be very unattractive people inside and out, and I honestly can't help but feel like they want to use the whole trans thing to get attention and as an excuse for why people dislike them, instead of taking a hard look at themselves. It almost reminds of me of when companies started using "real bodies" (which is another topic onto itself, but I think it's good that they have a variety of body shapes instead of just tall, skinny, models, although being thin is also normal) and the people that were most hateful towards thin models were not the healthy, "normal" women with regular bodies but the super obese who clearly had medical issues, and deluded about this reality. Classic cases of deflect and attack.

The healthy LGBT people I know are honest about their preferences/situation, and just live their life like normal folks. They might donate to or occasionally bring awareness to major events in the LGBT community but they're not aggressive about it, and they accept that other people may have different opinions. They also don't impose their opinions onto others.
I agree, many of these transwomen seem to be weird white men who might be otherwise known as incels, desperate to be oppressed and get some attention whatever way they can. I don’t doubt some people experience genuine dysphoria but I agree with you above that for a lot of people this is surely some kind of mental health issue.
 
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I agree, many of these transwomen seem to be weird white men who might be otherwise known as incels, desperate to be oppressed and get some attention whatever way they can. I don’t doubt some people experience genuine dysphoria but I agree with you above that for a lot of people this is surely some kind of mental health issue.
The very vocal also often seem to be deeply embedded in other sexually misogynistic ‘subcultures’ such as furries, bdsm etc

I don’t think it’s any coincidence that they are often people who identify / diagnosed with particular mental health issues and feel a lack of belonging in the first place.
 
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I liked a few TERFy things on twitter and lost several followers who I had worked with at my last university before leaving academia. Many of my friends are very anti J K Rowling but it’s surface deep - they think it’s all about letting people be who they want etc. It scares me that some bio women have no sense of self preservation at all tbh. Some friends who have been sexually assaulted don’t see any issue with transwomen being in the toilets or changing rooms with us and that really does blow my mind.
When JK Rowling posted her essay, someone tweeted "I'm a victim of sexual abuse and this woman does not speak for me. I have no issue with trans women in womens bathrooms". JK Rowling may not speak for all abuse victims but nor do you! The mind just boggles

I hate saying this (and I apologize in advance if this offends anyone) but in my experience at least, often the loudest people in these communities tend to be very unattractive people inside and out, and I honestly can't help but feel like they want to use the whole trans thing to get attention and as an excuse for why people dislike them, instead of taking a hard look at themselves. It almost reminds of me of when companies started using "real bodies" (which is another topic onto itself, but I think it's good that they have a variety of body shapes instead of just tall, skinny, models, although being thin is also normal) and the people that were most hateful towards thin models were not the healthy, "normal" women with regular bodies but the super obese who clearly had medical issues, and deluded about this reality. Classic cases of deflect and attack.

The healthy LGBT people I know are honest about their preferences/situation, and just live their life like normal folks. They might donate to or occasionally bring awareness to major events in the LGBT community but they're not aggressive about it, and they accept that other people may have different opinions. They also don't impose their opinions onto others.
I love this post. Agree with every single word

I agree, many of these transwomen seem to be weird white men who might be otherwise known as incels, desperate to be oppressed and get some attention whatever way they can. I don’t doubt some people experience genuine dysphoria but I agree with you above that for a lot of people this is surely some kind of mental health issue.
These weird white men are also serious women haters. Look into their past and I'm sure you'll find they're extremely damaged. They want everyone to share in their brain damage and have even managed to brainwash women. I just can't get my head around it.
 
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When JK Rowling posted her essay, someone tweeted "I'm a victim of sexual abuse and this woman does not speak for me. I have no issue with trans women in womens bathrooms". JK Rowling may not speak for all abuse victims but nor do you! The mind just boggles



I love this post. Agree with every single word



These weird white men are also serious women haters. Look into their past and I'm sure you'll find they're extremely damaged. They want everyone to share in their brain damage and have even managed to brainwash women. I just can't get my head around it.
So much of it is entitlement. They think that because they're white and male, and because society tells them they they are privleged as result of that (which they very well might be, though whites can lead difficult lives well), they think they're entitled to affection from women of all races. Reality stands that people, unsurprisingly, are attracted to ATTRACTIVE PEOPLE WITH GOOD CHARACTERS, regardless of race. Like who would've thought???
 
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Has anyone been following Benjamin Cohen from pen News on twitter? Lots of dehumanising terminology about surogates, and how he should be entitled to certain tests on the NHS. Livid!
 
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Yeah, he knows what a woman is now, right? But hey, since “TWAW” one of them ought to be happy to oblige the misogynistic wick.
 
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Has anyone been following Benjamin Cohen from pen News on twitter? Lots of dehumanising terminology about surogates, and how he should be entitled to certain tests on the NHS. Livid!
He is so scummy. He's notorious for doing morally questionable things in business so I'm not surprised he's now having a go at the NHS. He's incredibly self-serving.
 
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Has anyone been following Benjamin Cohen from pen News on twitter? Lots of dehumanising terminology about surogates, and how he should be entitled to certain tests on the NHS. Livid!
It’s really concerning how he’s talking about this. He doesn’t even seem to have actually found a surrogate yet and he’s yelling about his right to have one.

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That ratio tho! 😂 this guy has no freaking clue about female autonomy. The way he’s saying this to Jane, a well known feminist philosopher, clearly ignorant of the fact that there is a wealth of feminist ethics making the argument that surrogacy is inherently exploitative...god just sit down and shut your face mate.
 
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Just imagine in 20 years a child of his Googling him and seeing the sheer hatred he has towards women

No one gets surrogacy on the nhs! And fertility tests are for infertile couples. He won’t be hurt of a bob or two, is just trolling women again now. And it’s worked - I’m really wound up
 
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Just imagine in 20 years a child of his Googling him and seeing the sheer hatred he has towards women
People like him are not fit to have children. Can you imagine him raising a young woman??? I would feel terrible for her!
 
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People like him are not fit to have children. Can you imagine him raising a young woman??? I would feel terrible for her!
Truly awful. And I’m sure he would just hire a nanny to raise her full time and a cleaner to clean up after everyone
 
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It’s really concerning how he’s talking about this. He doesn’t even seem to have actually found a surrogate yet and he’s yelling about his right to have one.

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That ratio tho! 😂 this guy has no freaking clue about female autonomy. The way he’s saying this to Jane, a well known feminist philosopher, clearly ignorant of the fact that there is a wealth of feminist ethics making the argument that surrogacy is inherently exploitative...god just sit down and shut your face mate.
Err, does he expect anyone to take him seriously when he can't even string a sentence together? "Off her own violation" ...... Matey, I think you mean "of her own volition". What a moron.


Well, well, well ... what do we have here? Isn't this the very epitome of the type of violent and aggressive trans "woman" we've all been saying we don't want to share our womens' only spaces with? What a vile individual and I'm glad the law has acted properly and imposed a jail sentence.
 
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Between Benji Button from the other day to Benji Cohen today,

There is definately a theme at play.

Sorry, the Mysogyny is pure poetry sometimes.

But, please don’t feed the Pink News troll, he’s had a bad day as the male-dominated government we have in the UK had that thingy about Self-ID. It’s not much different to the time one of my children was two years old and smacked a doll because I wouldn’t let him climb in the washing machine. Benji No. 2 is just looking for a reaction from actual women. Instead of arguing and playing to his victimhood rhetoric (damn cis women with your cis wombs oppressing childless gay men!) see if you can get him to splatter out more crazy and bring it to light.
 
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Err, does he expect anyone to take him seriously when he can't even string a sentence together? "Off her own violation" ...... Matey, I think you mean "of her own volition". What a moron.
bit of a freudian slip by him, i'd say 😂
 
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Does anyone know anyone in real life who is an active pro-trans lobbyist (as in, militant and outspoken about it)? Or is it all just contained on Twitter and within Jameela Jamil's timeline? Is it more common in the U.S? I have never met anyone IRL who actually believes JK Rowling is a transphobe, but I would really like to know where these people actually are. I move in fairly liberal circles and I'm in my early 30s, not like I'm a dinosaur hanging out with old people who only read the Express. Any IRL stories greatly appreciated.
I know someone who thinks what she said was wrong but when I talk to her about the issues raised she agrees that there could be potential problems. So it feels like she doesn’t really agree with JK being a transphobe?
As for the trans people I know, none of them are militant like what I’ve seen online. Of course they are passionate about who they are and their rights, but they don’t go demanding that JK Rowling be murdered for example.
 
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I know someone who thinks what she said was wrong but when I talk to her about the issues raised she agrees that there could be potential problems. So it feels like she doesn’t really agree with JK being a transphobe?
As for the trans people I know, none of them are militant like what I’ve seen online. Of course they are passionate about who they are and their rights, but they don’t go demanding that JK Rowling be murdered for example.
Has she actually said exactly what she thinks was wrong with what JKR said? So many people just say it's wrong but no one can ever pinpoint exactly what is so terrible.
 
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