oh that’s what MSM means? yeah, I wasn’t trying to assume that all MSM are gay/bi but OP mentioned about choosing not to sleep with bi men, so that’s what I was going with. but I understand now about the MSM thing. I know they’re not necessarily bi or gay. I still stand by my point that you should be tested/screened regardless of your sexuality and sexual history, and use protection! when someone asks me to get tested, I do it, not a problem. OP reckons I’d scream biphobia if that happened to me or other bi people but that’s not true. it’s your responsibility to take care of your body and take precautions, if your potential sexual partners won’t give you the same courtesy then don’t sleep with them. or take the risk, some people do that even though it’s daft and goes against common sense.
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Has anyone heard of that show starting on cbbc called First Day? I saw the trailer and it made me uncomfortable.
You are doing a great job at proving my point.Hmm, nope. That’s what everyone should be doing, regardless of their sexuality. It’s just common sense. Especially if you fall in a long term relationship and want to forgo condoms/protection. You just don’t want to sleep with a man who previously slept with men in the past because, what? Because it’s gross? Did you know that straight guys enjoy anal stuff too?
Anyway, you should be asking for full transparency with straight men before you sleep with them. But you just assume bi men are riddled with diseases and incapable of using protection. It’s usually straight men who kick up a fuss when they’re asked to get tested and to wear condoms. They’re such pissbabies about it and yet your focus is on bi men.
The way you are outraged and offended at how UNFAIR it is that some women aren’t attracted to you for something you CAN’T HELP, and you’re trying to argue with me about it, as if you can prove how “illogical” women’s lack of attraction to you is.
Stop with the woe is me entitled victim shite. Guess what else people can’t help? Their appearance, health, intelligence, personality, financial status. Literally everything that influences attraction can’t be helped. No one owes you anything, and nothing needs to change.
I resent even answering this post, since no one owes you a justification for why they aren’t attracted to you/men like you; since explaining why you find a given characteristic unattractive can only cause offence; and since you’ve ignored almost all of my post, so that you can continue crying biphobia. But here it goes:
Sexual health tests don’t pick up on some fecally spread diseases, and it’s doesnt negate the fact that if your partner cheats (which many men do, straight or otherwise) with a man, you’re in danger.
Bare in mind with the following, you WILL find it offensive. As would anyone with any characteristic, and you explain to them in great detail why you find this characteristic unattractive. But you say you want honesty.
Yes, the bum sex thing is quite offputting for someone with germ phobia like me. There are still many straight men who won’t touch an anus, and even those that do, don’t do it with the same frequency or extremity as MSM. (Before you try to argue please don’t bother lying that MSM who avoid it are anything other than an exception). As everyone has said, do your thing. It’s your own business. I do not care about other people’s sex lives. But I personally don’t want involvement.
It’s universally acknowledged statistics, not an assumption, that MSM have a much much higher risk of all STIs. Do you have a source for your assertion that straight men won’t use condoms as opposed to bi men (who you are focusing on, not me?). Also, incidentally, condoms only reduce, not eliminate, the risk of STIs.
Even aside from material reasons, I still would not be attracted to MSM. I’m just not. There is no amount of mental gymnastics that can change that.
There are also many women that don’t mind, or would actively prefer an MSM. Not everyone needs to be attracted to you.
Hi couldn't help but interject on race preferences in dating, I don't believe having a race preference when dating is racist depending on where it stems from. I have my own and I know other WOC who have theirs, see if it stems from negative stereotypes then yes I'd consider that racist, but otherwise I consider it just the same as someone having a preference for blondes. I was talking to a friend about this the other day with a friend who said she's not attracted to white dudes and just sticks to black guys, I found it sad that she had to start by explaining that she's not racist but that so far she just hasn't been attracted to white guys/it's just not the kind of features that attract her, but if she were to find one attractive she would date him. For her it's not about sticking to her own race it's just about what she's physically attracted to.yeah, I get that completely. People should be able to have their personal preference, as long as it doesn’t deny other people’s rights, like gay people should be able to live without fear and stuff. The thing is, you don’t normally tell someone you just met your sexual history, do you? If I meet someone, I have to make it clear that I’m bi because otherwise we’d like each other but they get grossed out when they find out, and I’m made out to be the bad person and being secretive but dude, I’m just vibing. I’m not being nefarious or anything
Anyway, it’s a bit tricky with trans people. Like I think they should be allowed to live but I’m also concerned about allowing them access to women’s only space
Also, @creme.egg92, absolutely. I agree. I suppose I just want people to be honest with their opinions, you know? Like, you can prefer not dating black people, it is a personal preference but it’s also racism. As long as you’re not being bigoted and denying their rights in everything else, then it’s just personal preference. But it’s important to recognise that personal preferences can hurt people too. Like if someone decided not to date me because I’m bi then it’s like okay, fine. You do you. It still hurts me though because it’s who I am lol I can’t change my sexuality. The girlfriend I mentioned said she loved me despite me being bi, and tbh, that hurt a lot. She made it clear that she found that part of me disgusting.
Sorry, I know this thread isn’t about me or bisexuality, I apologise for going off topic
On the attraction to bi-people I appreciate receiving your imput! In theory I think the idea would make me uncomfortable perhaps because as a hetero woman I've always associated my sexuality as only being compatible with hetero men and bi-men have that aspect of also fitting in with the other team in a way that I don't so maybe that's where it stems from? I'd give it a shot though since by definition they have everything I'd look for in a hetero guy.
I already apologised for derailing the thread and making it about me. Like I said in my last post, I didn’t know what MSM actually meant, I thought it was another form of MLM but clearly I was wrong. I was trying to follow your direction of thinking when you said you wouldn’t consent to sleeping with a bi man (which sounded like you could be attracted to a bloke but changed your mind after finding out he was attracted to men too). Obviously I went in the opposite direction, I didn’t know then, and that’s why I thought you were being ridiculous because like, a MAN? is attracted to MEN? How awful! Again, I apologise for assuming, and for derailing.
To go back on topic, if it’s ok for me to comment on this —
I agree. But you (general you) have said it’s mental/delusional to want to remove your penis and what not. The body that trans women have gives them dysphoria, that’s why they want to change their appearance and have surgery, etc. That’s why some of them look like they are being stereotypical with how they think women dress, because they’ve had male socialisation, but they’re genuinely trying to say “I’m not trying to be a man” even if they do a piss poor job of it. So what should biological men do? Grown, adult men. Do they have surgery or not?? It’s delusion if you want to chop it off but it seems to be the bare minimum if you want to use women only space. Which one is it??
Also, I don’t know if this is directed at me —
but I’m female
Also I just want to add this: if someone doesn't want to date you because of some legitimate form of discrimination well that's not a nice feeling but in this context I wouldn't push for inclusivity. It leads to trans people and allies kicking up a fuss and stating that as a het woman I should give a chance to either transmen or transwomen because then I'd have access to a penis, and people not respecting that I like men who look and present as men. I've seen men stating on dating sites their preferences for only certain body types and races, sure when I don't fit in that category it hurts, but what hurts even more would be someone dating me for a short time just to be able to say they've filled a racial quota in their dating history. As long as people don't discriminate/have preferences against others in other aspects of life then IDGAF if you only date asians (ex.)
Edit to add: I think one thing that puts off people when it comes to dating someone who's trans is that added complexity of starting off a relationship with a new partner who has a mental disorder(it's still considered one so far). Just like no one wants to start dating someone who's a sociopath,clinically depressed,bipolar etc..
Edit to add: I think one thing that puts off people when it comes to dating someone who's trans is that added complexity of starting off a relationship with a new partner who has a mental disorder(it's still considered one so far). Just like no one wants to start dating someone who's a sociopath,clinically depressed,bipolar etc..
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Yes I would change my mind about a man if I found it he was bi. It’s happened in real life, I was turned off.
I already apologised for derailing the thread and making it about me. Like I said in my last post, I didn’t know what MSM actually meant, I thought it was another form of MLM but clearly I was wrong. I was trying to follow your direction of thinking when you said you wouldn’t consent to sleeping with a bi man (which sounded like you could be attracted to a bloke but changed your mind after finding out he was attracted to men too). Obviously I went in the opposite direction, I didn’t know then, and that’s why I thought you were being ridiculous because like, a MAN? is attracted to MEN? How awful! Again, I apologise for assuming, and for derailing.
To go back on topic, if it’s ok for me to comment on this —
I agree. But you (general you) have said it’s mental/delusional to want to remove your penis and what not. The body that trans women have gives them dysphoria, that’s why they want to change their appearance and have surgery, etc. That’s why some of them look like they are being stereotypical with how they think women dress, because they’ve had male socialisation, but they’re genuinely trying to say “I’m not trying to be a man” even if they do a piss poor job of it. So what should biological men do? Grown, adult men. Do they have surgery or not?? It’s delusion if you want to chop it off but it seems to be the bare minimum if you want to use women only space. Which one is it??
Also, I don’t know if this is directed at me —
but I’m female
In my opinion feminine bio men should just accept they are feminine bio men. I have no sympathy for those who look strange, as research has shown that non-passers are typically autogynephiles. If bio men want to be treated as honorary women, the penis is a weapon and should be treated as such.
I don’t understand why you’re caping so hard for bi men?
I used to consider myself bisexual (I no longer call myself that as despite previously preferring girls, my interest in them has all but disappeared) and I used to be annoyed at being associated with bi men. I felt like they steal our words like “I’m attracted to either, it doesn’t mean I need both!”, when from what I’ve seen, it’s not true for them. Bi women and men are not the same.
Not ~caping just for bi men but women too. Bi men have a hard time as well, imo. Obviously men as a whole are favoured and have it easy ... but. Some gay men won’t date bi men (some of them are actually misogynistic about it, they’re like “ew you touch girls/pussy”), and some women won’t date bi men. I respect that it’s personal preferences but I won’t respect the insults and prejudices that come with it - like yes, I’m bi but I don’t cheat on anyone and I don’t want several partners at once. I’m not confused, and I don’t deserve being treated like dirt.
I forgot to add this in: some lesbians won’t date bi women, and some men won’t date bi women. I can’t edit my post for some reason??
I forgot to add this in: some lesbians won’t date bi women, and some men won’t date bi women. I can’t edit my post for some reason??
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This seems ill advised on a sexual trauma unit.
the uk seems to have lost it's mind compared to the rest of europe... I just don't understand why it's the european country most involved in this
Stop this madness. The police cali ng people in for their GC views.
holy tit never in my life have I seen a movement this authoritative. Heck #Metoo was called dramatic by the same men who have no problem with this
Also, why is this even a thing. Why do children need to be read stories by drag queens? And why are nspcc condoning this? I don’t understand. Drag is an adult thing, they often don’t call themselves child friendly names (Alaska Thunderfuck anyone?). It’s not for kids. This is so wrong.
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Not that I know of. Someone has recorded a mermaids worker giving one of their jelly baby gender lessons. I listened to it last night, really regressive stereotypes and would be so confusing for kids. Worth a listen, even just a few minutes and you’d get the gist
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the idea of sexual/gender studies to 5 year olds is also really unnecessary in my opinion. Kids don't even get sexual health education till 12 years old.
I’m deaf so I can’t listen to the podcast 
hence my asking for a transcription. No worries though.
Drag queens reading to kids? Lol random. I really dislike the whole Toddlers and Tiaras thing, I feel it sexualises children, just like how drag queens are an adult thing, also sexualised.
Maybe drag queens were asked to be involved because they’re very expressive and can be funny so they’d be good storytellers, maybe??
hence my asking for a transcription. No worries though.Drag queens reading to kids? Lol random. I really dislike the whole Toddlers and Tiaras thing, I feel it sexualises children, just like how drag queens are an adult thing, also sexualised.
Maybe drag queens were asked to be involved because they’re very expressive and can be funny so they’d be good storytellers, maybe??
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