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Nah I don’t believe that transwomen have been getting uterus transplants ‘for a while’. Surely not? I don’t think they have even managed to get uterus transplants for women to be reliable yet. They’re not plug in and play organs and you need more than just a uterus to sustain a pregnancy, your entire body gets involved in some way or another. How is a transwomen going to produce the hormones required to widen their pelvis or create the extra blood required during pregnancy? The fluctuating hormones? I just can’t get my head round how a healthy pregnancy would be possible in a male body.
Why are medical professionals even discussing it? It’s so stupid and will never happen. By raising it as a possibility you get idiots like that person on Instagram thinking it’s happening now.
Seen on Twitter this morning - Cece Telfer lining up in the women's hurdles and in the lower half, the women's hurdle on the left, the men's on the right. How is this remotely fair?

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If that doesn’t peak people I don’t know what will!
 
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Ugh Stonewall just never stop
this doesn’t even make sense thinking of trans children? If the whole point is trans women are women why wouldn’t they want to participate in single sex sports...? Also surely dangerous for teens, I didn’t pass 5 foot until I was 16ish whilst a friend’s 14 year old is already 5’10ish. How could we have played football together?
 
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The guy who made the viral tweet about "my boss ordered name badges so I can communicate my special pronouns at any time!" wrote this: https://showcase.pitchwars.org/pw2020-ya-bottle-blonde-ya-contemporary-rom-com/

It doesn't look like it has been/will be published. It is his pitch for a YA novel in which a trans-identified boy decides to come out by auditioning for the role of Elle in his school's production of Legally Blonde (i.e. the musical) so he can get with his crush who is playing her love interest. Aside from the premise (casting a boy as a character who is supposed to demonstrate that women don't have to conform to stereotypes) the short extract makes me fidgety. It's pretty generic for a novel aimed at teens and yes, it's a brief snippet - the full book could be different. But just the way it's written, as if the protagonist is JUST LIKE ANY OTHER GIRL and let's conveniently not mention he has a pen, seems so insidious somehow. It totally obscures what's actually going on when real teenage girls are told that a boy is just like them and must be accepted in their spaces whether they like it or not. (Also why can't a teenage boy get together with his crush who is also a boy? Why does one of them have to be a fake "girl" for that to happen?)
 
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Pretty much everyone is "presumed to adopt a reproductive role" (it is generally taken for granted that everyone should, or will, have children apart from a small number of people who medically cannot.) And if he means conceiving and giving birth to children, well, no one expects a man to do that
 
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‘A passive role in sexual intercourse and a reproductive role in everyday life’. FFS. That is not what the suffragettes and feminists that followed fought for. They fought for the rights to break free of those gendered roles and be allowed agency over their bodies and lives.
 
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What do we think of this? I personally didn’t have a great relationship with my father and although I found Father’s Day hard, I wouldn’t feel comfortable begrudging others from celebrating, especially as these things are made by young children usually at school.
I think it's wrong, the school are trying to be too woke and inclusive. I honestly worry for children being brought up with this madness. I don't have a father and I would never have dreamed of begrudging other kids theirs and I'm certainly not offended as an adult that other people celebrate their fathers.
 
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I think it's wrong, the school are trying to be too woke and inclusive. I honestly worry for children being brought up with this madness. I don't have a father and I would never have dreamed of begrudging other kids theirs and I'm certainly not offended as an adult that other people celebrate their fathers.
I do think teachers should be more open to those who have no traditional families. At school I do remember that even those who’s fathers had left them or died they still were sort of made to go through it. If I was a teacher I would say ‘we’re making Father’s Day cards today but if you don’t feel comfortable with that then perhaps make a card for someone who is special in your life’. That seems the best solution for everyone. I left school 13 years ago so things might have become better on that front.
 
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What do we think of this? I personally didn’t have a great relationship with my father and although I found Father’s Day hard, I wouldn’t feel comfortable begrudging others from celebrating, especially as these things are made by young children usually at school.
Ridiculous. My children don't have a father, I made sure to let their nursery know we are a mummy only family so they can make extra mum cards etc and not feel left out. I will explain when they're older of course, but like you said I wouldn't ever begrudge other people celebrating. Fathers and mothers deserve celebrations.

Most children have a mother & father or one of them, there's no need for this nonsense inclusivity 🙄
 
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I think it's wrong, the school are trying to be too woke and inclusive. I honestly worry for children being brought up with this madness. I don't have a father and I would never have dreamed of begrudging other kids theirs and I'm certainly not offended as an adult that other people celebrate their fathers.
i undersand how this must be difficult for people without fathers, of course, but (unless I am wrong) most children have a male figure in their lives? would it not be better just to celebrate that person? "special day" ?! that could be to celebrate literally anything
 
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I do think teachers should be more open to those who have no traditional families. At school I do remember that even those who’s fathers had left them or died they still were sort of made to go through it. If I was a teacher I would say ‘we’re making Father’s Day cards today but if you don’t feel comfortable with that then perhaps make a card for someone who is special in your life’. That seems the best solution for everyone. I left school 13 years ago so things might have become better on that front.
We did this this week - one of them chose to make it for her dog and there was no changing her mind 😂
 
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The rot started in the 80s/90s. “Everyone’s a winner” and “deferred success”. Kids don’t learn resilience now. They don’t learn how to deal with not being included or not being good at something.

It’s a massive disservice to them, crippling their ability to regulate self-esteem and expectations. No wonder so many develop MH problems.
 
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Ridiculous. My children don't have a father, I made sure to let their nursery know we are a mummy only family so they can make extra mum cards etc and not feel left out. I will explain when they're older of course, but like you said I wouldn't ever begrudge other people celebrating. Fathers and mothers deserve celebrations.

Most children have a mother & father or one of them, there's no need for this nonsense inclusivity 🙄
This. My dads dead, so I begrudge other people Father’s Day? Of bloody course not. Where would it end? Do we take the legs from able bodied folk to make amputees feel less isolated? It may sound like an extreme but that’s the reality, we aren’t all equal, we never will be and it’s so unhealthy to try and force it. It doesn’t mean we shouldn’t do what we can, but we are reaching dangerous limits. Uterus transplants for men!? Stop this world I want off. bleeping ridiculous anyway because he would essentially just be a surrogate anyway saying as it would never be his eggs.
 
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What do we think of this? I personally didn’t have a great relationship with my father and although I found Father’s Day hard, I wouldn’t feel comfortable begrudging others from celebrating, especially as these things are made by young children usually at school.
I have to say I wish schools would just stop dealing with mother's and father's day altogether. If it's important to your family, sort out cards in your own time. A friend's husband committed suicide and her primary-aged school kids had to make father's day cards a few months later. It was awful. Another family lost their mum to cancer. The kids were really young. All the song and dance around mother's day was incredibly hard for them for a few years. I just don't think it needs to be dealt with at school at all.
 
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