Gender Discussion #85

[veevee04]

But they forgot to turn the comments off...

Apparently this happened after Tavistock collapsed too and they were forced to about turn after members protested. Some accounts claim very few BMA members actually voted on this and it may not represent the membership. I cannot believe they're doctors using the term "intersex". This kind of rit really makes me worry about getting medical care, if doctors en masse really are placing lying ideology above biological reality and patient safety. What will happen to the NHS if it can be proven that it's doing this? What will there then be moves and votes for?

What exactly is causing this? I've never seen so many people so determined to protect such bull.

Most clinicians 99.9 percent don't care and actually find the gender identity questionnaires time consuming. The gender questionnaires is on ALL patient records does not matter the age. It will come up for a 4 year old and a 99 year old with dementia.


The option for cannot answer is at the very very bottom I've had ones before where I couldn't select cannot answer. It's infuriating and takes up too much of clinicians time.

It's a political hot potato as is everything within healthcare too easy to be accused of something so most people stay out of it. But hushed tones most people think it takes up way too much time and it isn't reality.

I have a few things I won't do out of principle, I will never put my pronouns on email signature or letters. That's my little protest.

 

[DoraMaar]

I was wondering if that trans judge had anything to do with the Equal Treatment Bench Book (the book that advises judges on how individuals should be treated in court, and which was instrumental in getting judges to force grape victims to refer to their rapists as "she", and similar insults added to injuries).

I don't know, but it occurred to me that he might have had a lot of influence such an area.

" It was also Master McCloud who contributed to the version of guidance for the judiciary in the Equal Treatment Bench Book (now revised after much outrage) that stated women who alleged assault from men who now identified as women, should be expected to address such men by female pronouns"

Who judges the judges? | Sarah Phillimore | The Critic Magazine

Judges must swear an oath on taking office “… I will do right to all manner of people after the laws and usages of this realm, without fear or favour, affection or ill will.

thecritic.co.uk

 

[TheMiceInTheShed]

" It was also Master McCloud who contributed to the version of guidance for the judiciary in the Equal Treatment Bench Book (now revised after much outrage) that stated women who alleged assault from men who now identified as women, should be expected to address such men by female pronouns"

Who judges the judges? | Sarah Phillimore | The Critic Magazine

Judges must swear an oath on taking office “… I will do right to all manner of people after the laws and usages of this realm, without fear or favour, affection or ill will.

thecritic.co.uk

THANK YOU!

I suspected as much.

A judge is supposed to be completely impartial - and even now he's trying to push a private agenda. He's a disgrace!

 

[DoraMaar]

 

[TheMiceInTheShed]

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Good heavens!

Do you mean to say that these primitive Medieval people could tell the difference between men and women without modern day cheek swabs or the advantages of being able to test hormone levels?

I wonder how they managed to do it? Did they have some way - some strange alchemy - which enabled them to look inside people's minds? Absolutely incredible!

 

[Mismatched Pegs]

No silly, they did genital inspections. This is the only way to find out what sex someone is. Dur.

 

[VeniVidiVicki]

McCloud was only a judge for 14 years. He stepped down because he was unable to withhold his misogynist bile https://www.forstater.com/the-judge-to-whom-the-rules-do-not-apply/

Any attempts he makes to the ECHR should be rejected. Also he looks like this

and not those flattering wig photos he prefers.

 

[minimaz]

I'm fascinated why McClouds intervention was refused, was it of poor quality or did it just cover the same ground as Amnesty. Also given McCloud wasn't an intervener in the case is there standing to take it to the ECHR.

Was checking and the ECHR still hasn't given their ruling on the Semenya case that they heard last summer about the impartiality of the Court of Arbitration for Sport, I wonder will the Imane Khelif debate that happened last summer have shown the impact that allowing those with DSDs to compete with women has https://www.ejiltalk.org/why-the-ec...rbitration-for-sport-in-its-semenya-judgment/

 

[ChastityDingle]

McCloud was only a judge for 14 years. He stepped down because he was unable to withhold his misogynist bile https://www.forstater.com/the-judge-to-whom-the-rules-do-not-apply/

Any attempts he makes to the ECHR should be rejected. Also he looks like this

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and not those flattering wig photos he prefers.

The cut of him, The absolutely state of him. And no doubt he thinks he PASSES.

 

[VeniVidiVicki]

The cut of him, The absolutely state of him. And no doubt he thinks he PASSES.

He says he has female anatomy. I don’t think anyone who has such a tenuous grasp on reality should be a judge. Or any professional really.

 

[ButtonDownTheHutches]

Funny how they are protesting loos a lot more rather than their showers or changing rooms.
(Yes loos are a necessity) but could it be that they know fighting for toilet "private cubicles" is less visually threatening/challenging than people having to imagine a man naked in women's showers and vice a versa

Yes, “we just want to pee” is a lot less likely to raise concerns, versus “we just want to be in proximity to members of the opposite sex while they are partially/unclothed”

 

[ButtonDownTheHutches]

From what I can gather it's not that the supreme court didn't

From what I understand, it's not that the SC didn't listen to the Trans pov but I don't think anyone intervened. Why weren't Stonewall there to intervene?

My guess on this is that they know that realistically there is no argument they can present that will withstand any form of scrutiny.

 

[Metropolis]

This is shocking from Lush. How dare they try to recruit other people’s young children into the trans cult.

Verifying Device

 

[Bread]

FFS Lush. I don't want to boycott you again but you leave me little choice.

 

[chizontiz]

female who apparently fails to perform femininity(?!) here. If I’ve never been questioned in the bathroom before, why the duck would I be now?! Am I going to have to start carrying emergency piss lipstick around with me just in case I need to use a public loo?

 

[chizontiz]

How worried do we need to be about this challenge?

As I understand it- and IANAL - the Supreme Court gave its ruling on the law as it stands, and indeed how it has stood since it was passed. Judge Victoria McCloud - a TiM - has complained that the SC didn't listen to anyone putting the trans point of view. I hardly see that it matters - I don't think they take witness statements (or whatever they're called) in situations like this. All that they are doing is looking at the law in front of them, looking (possibly) at the social and political situation in which that law was drafted and passed, and giving a definitive and final opinion on what the meaning of the law was and is.

Also - hasn't the ECHR come out and confirmed the ruling? Any legal eagles who can shed some light?

Trans former judge to challenge Supreme Court's gender ruling

Victoria McCloud, who stepped down last year, said the judgement had violated her human rights.

www.bbc.co.uk

sure, why not consult the men too, oh wait!

 

[Mismatched Pegs]

My guess on this is that they know that realistically there is no argument they can present that will withstand any form of scrutiny.

Hard agree. They realised that they were under scrutiny for the incorrect information they've been supplying for years and knew if they stuck their heads up on this, even more people would realise this. It would signal the end for the charity. Some nicely paid people would lose their jobs and would struggle to find further gravy train work.
<<insert Brittney toxic gif here>>

 

[Mismatched Pegs]

piss lipstick

It's tradition in our house that when a phrase such as this makes itself known, one must say "I saw them supporting The Fall once"

 

[Notworthy]

I'm fascinated why McClouds intervention was refused, was it of poor quality or did it just cover the same ground as Amnesty. Also given McCloud wasn't an intervener in the case is there standing to take it to the ECHR.

Was checking and the ECHR still hasn't given their ruling on the Semenya case that they heard last summer about the impartiality of the Court of Arbitration for Sport, I wonder will the Imane Khelif debate that happened last summer have shown the impact that allowing those with DSDs to compete with women has https://www.ejiltalk.org/why-the-ec...rbitration-for-sport-in-its-semenya-judgment/

His input was refused because it was irrelevant. He just wanted to moan about how it would impact Trans lives.

 

[VeniVidiVicki]