Gender Discussion #66

[Nelly's mum]

I have never understood the need for Pride acceptance propaganda to be everywhere - why does your local cafe, high street or M&S need to support LGBTQ++? Surely they support everyone?
I don't see 'Older people welcome here' or 'We support our disabled customers' signage everywhere - but I see Pride propaganda - so does that mean they don't support other marginalised people?

 

[Funny_bunny]

The toilets thing was always brought up with a claim that it’s so innocuous and everyone is silly for worrying. “Oh so you really care where someone pees???” Of course men don’t care, men by and large aren’t afraid of peeing by the side of the road either, but of course woman do care and lack of access to sanitary facilities is a feminist issue. It has always been a simple matter of respecting a female only space and boundaries or challenging it, and the push has been to challenge it, and women framed as silly and daft for caring.

“Well, since we used your toilets then you won’t mind if we dominate your sports and make the word ‘mother’ meaningless??” was always where we are going because part of this comes from an intense rage from some at the idea women have anything of their own at all.

And then in some cases there are even actively sinister reasons why males want to invade female spaces. The fact is that any decent man is mortified at the thought of upsetting or making afraid or uncomfortable women or especially young girls and will go out of his way to avoid doing so.

Of course predatory males would love to be able to access women’s toilets and then there’s the AGP creeps who’s getting a sexual kick from being in there. The women who go on about “Who cares where someone goes to pee?” Well, I do, because I don’t want to be around perverts, weirdos and men getting euphoria from being in women’s toilets. Probably like most women, I don’t want to be in a public toilet a second longer than I need to be anyway, and the thought of having to share facilities with men pretending to be women is creepy as hell and just wrong. I’m saying that as an older woman, imagine how a self conscious teen would feel.

 

[Shesaidwhat?]

We’ve just gained one too or pretty sure we have. Early 20s and autistic. Seems very nice and has already mentioned a female partner so suspect they were an out of place young gay woman who now thinks they fit in better as a man.

It’s sad how society has conditioned people to think rather they be trans than gay. I know I’m like a broken record about this but I truly believe in a few years they’ll come to the realisation that they weren’t in the wrong bodies they’re gay.

 

[Lynn’ssnazzycardigan]

I’ve been thinking and it’s no wonder trans folx are so highly strung, the world is so dangerous for them. Victims of fictional genocide (misgendering), only a handful of visibility days a year apart from pride Month, at risk of not getting extra rights during elections, even the fire brigade recognises they are prone to spontaneous self combustion. It’s a wonder they are brave enough to go out there and invade our spaces! We cis-ters should embrace them and be grateful for the minor nature of the inconveniences we suffer; being murdered by our partners, being leered at or SA’d, having our health concerns brushed off as hysteria, having our babies and bodies damaged by substandard maternity care. It’s selfish and phobic to stop them claiming IWD, they feel like women so we should take their word for it. We should celebrate them, they make better women than we do- in employment, sports, beauty pageants…we don’t even get euphoric when we see our boobs in the mirror ffs. It might say female on our passports and birth certificates but are we authentic enough to deserve that title
Sarcasm may be a low form of wit but sometimes I go there!

 

[Lynn’ssnazzycardigan]

I still feel the large majority of people in the UK do know very well the difference between a man and a woman, and a silly vocal media campaign isnt actually going to fundamentally change this. A calm slow and steady campaign by women like JK Rowling, clearly setting out the issues I hope will work eventually.

This is what is so infuriating, and dangerous about it. Yes, the majority don’t believe it but because it’s not directly affecting them they don’t care. Meanwhile the madness creeps and progresses while language changes, speech becomes compelled and these things get enshrined in law (or will when Labour get in). Then one day these people will find themselves in a situation- their daughter is exposed to male genitalia in the changing room, their elderly mother complains a man in a dress has performed intimate care on her, they get injured by a man during contact sport, they have to visit a refuge/rape crisis centre and are forced to share with a man. And when they wish to complain or refuse they will be vilified, punished by law, turned away. They will care then but it will be too late!

 

[Phil Anne Throw Pee]

Cashman being hoisted by his own petard is delicious. He is one evil misogynistic cunt, him and Owen Jones probably wank off together every time a man is imprisoned for rape but referred to in the media as a woman. The tide is turning my friends, I am sure of it. We're not out of the woods yet but we're getting there.

 

[Islawight]

I stumbled across this thread and I'm so glad I did! It's very refreshing to feel less alone in this crazy world. Sometimes I feel like the majority are in agreement with all this trans indoctrination, but it's good to see so many people feel the same way I do. The icing on the cake for me was when they tried to suggest that not only 'women' suffer from cervical cancer. I can't believe this is out there being promoted. I have a 3 year old daughter and it breaks my heart thinking of this messed up world she is going to grow up in.

Reminds me of the saying “empty vessels make the most noise”. We are the silent majority. I also have a 3 year old daughter and I feel it’s a duty to her and all girls to fight for what is our right. (Single sex spaces) don’t mess with mama bear!

 

[VC10]

 

[Mugglewump]

I just posted this elsewhere.
Most people got it, but a few were all, "well they weren't forced to change there, they could have gone elsewhere"
Ah yes women should have to go elsewhere, and even if they did, they'd be called transphobic for doing so.
It's indecent exposure and voyeurism, unless you pretend to be a woman.
Lia Thomas disgusts me.

 

[petitspois]

I honestly think this would help a lot. If some people had less time on their hands for pondering and pontificating, and were doing something useful with their time, maybe some of this bullshit might actually go away.

I think most of them would also benefit from getting a job tbh.

 

[Lynn’ssnazzycardigan]

Sometimes my morbid curiosity gets the better of me and I check up on our old friend Gabbie Richards (the one who got a thrill posting himself in the dull women’s club). I’ve screenshotted just some of the oddbods who have reacted to his posts (they’re all public profiles so I haven’t cropped the names out). TW- don’t look if you’re easily offended or have recently eaten.

It’s like a directory of AGPs. I even found our favourite Green Party member and Proud Lesbian Melissa Poulton amongst the melange!
For a palate cleanser, these also reacted

 

[Weebles Wobble]

Just seen

Male Trans RCMP Officer Uses Female Student Bathroom at a High School

Recently, during an EMR/RCMP job fair, at a Chilliwack high school, a male to female transgender adult, who was part of the presentation, went into the student's female bathroom/changeroom. This high school is equipped with a gender-neutral bathroom. Some students, both male and female, witnessed th

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When I worked in schools (admittedly many years ago) adults never used the same toilets as the children did. It was a line that just wasn't crossed. We also didn't go into the facilities without a really good reason, sending for another member of staff to assist etc. And - none of us actually wanted to set foot inside!

Not only is this man going into a female-only space, but he's also going into a children-only space. So many red flags and completely unacceptable.

 

[mozzarellagirl]

You’re all correct. What they think “non-binary” is, is just an obnoxious, self-centered, attention-seeking version of gender non-conforming. The real progressive move would be to exist unapologetically as a woman who’s hairy and has short hair or exist as a man who’s into dresses and idk baking, not “changing sex” or identifying as some made up “third gender”.

It really pisses me off because it’s just so stupid and illogical. You claim to hate gender then make up an ENTIRELY new gender for people who don’t fit into either gendered man or gendered woman (which is EVERYONE btw, as everyone is born a blank slate before the conditioning starts) It’s simply reinforcing the concept of gender and thus gender roles. It’s so backwards. The move would be to dismantle gender roles entirely and allow people (WOMEN) to exist freely without conditioning, rules or punishment.

That’s how you know it’s not about being progressive (not just because it’s illogical) but because of how self-obsessed they are, they can’t look past their own noses. Being progressive requires analysis, awareness and accountability. Identifying as non-binary isn’t brave or courageous. It’s fucking embarrassing and cowardly. Especially for people who are in their fucking THIRTIES. At your big age? Really Emma? Cringe!

And that’s without mentioning how they use non-binary to “identify” out of oppression.

I’m preaching to the choir here but I just needed to preach to the choir who gets it!
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Totally agree about smart phones. It encourages isolation and insulates people. If you view a particular type of content, more of that content will be pushed on you. You're in an echo chamber; dissenting views are not tolerated, you must drink the Kool aid. It's easy to see how vulnerable or confused people end up being brainwashed into the cult. It's very scary.

I was in secondary school when instagram came out. It was just photos of people’s dinners and sunsets. Facebook was about but it was just people making dumb statuses.

I can’t imagine being say, a 9 year old girl today with an iphone. Scrolling for hours a day absorbing the rampant misogyny (and the trans bullshit) thats on tik tok and instagram. Makes me feel sick.

 

[Lynn’ssnazzycardigan]

Even if it was only about toilets... So bloody what?! I don't want a man in the cubicle next to me. I don't want a man in there if my daughter wants to go in on her own. I don't want a fucking man in the women's toilets, so men, kindly fuck off.

Yes! I don’t want them in there. When my boys were little I would make them go in the ladies because you hear too many stories of bad things happening to little boys in the men’s toilets. I know it’s “not all men” but still too many men. Now they’re in the ladies as well, and children are being told to be kind and not mention if someone looks out of place in there. No, I’m not having it!

 

[ThisIsMyGuiltyPleasure]

Absolutely grim, I find them sickening. As if actual women would use an image of themselves with their arse up in the air, wearing their nylon neglige, as a FB profile image. And I don't usually like to criticise appearance as I'm no oil painting myself but they're all ugly cretins.

 

[Islawight]

Such shocking news (said nobody)

 

[Metropolis]

Here we go again. Let’s try and destroy another woman’s legacy by retrospectively claiming she was trans. Fucksake
Bloody nonsense

I was literally typing about this when your post came up! The Brontë Society and Brontë Museum exploring ‘gender identity and the Brontës . Just why? Will no woman in history be celebrated for just being, you know, a woman who achieved something? It’s full-on erasure.

 

[Funny_bunny]

Coming back to Cashman, I notice that the replies to his flag rant aren‘t quite going as he hoped. I’ve noticed far more Pride flags than ever this year and I feel a lot of people are getting fed up with it.

 

[DoraMaar]

It annoys me that they think it's OK to put on a play called Terf Cunt in the first place.
We need some people to go and protest.

 

[Metropolis]

What struck me as they were walking through Brighton, was where were the ‘normal’ people who would usually be aghast at the level of harassment against women? No one thought to question the intimidation. Where were the run-of-the-mill men who profess to stand up for women? People were just walking by. And the TRAs shouting and using profanities in the street when lots of little kids were around. No one cares any more; we’ve reached a point in society where a group of louts harassing women is perceived as acceptable by the public and the police.