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Traazers

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I was just told a story by someone I know who agrees with my views on this. This person works for an insurer in customer service and had a TIM call up today, the conversation (names changed obv):

My friend: Thank you for calling XXX, you're speaking with Traazer's Friend, how can I help today?
TIM: (Clear male voice) Hello, I have some queries about my travel insurance policy
MF (Automatically): Of course sir I'd be happy to assist
TIM: It's madam
MF: Oh OK my apologies, I'll just need to confirm the details I have for you, can you confirm your first name for me
TIM: Timelda Jones
MF: (panicking as the screen said Timothy Jones) OK, can I confirm your date of birth please as I have some conflicting information?
TIM:This is bloody ridiculous you should have this information already, it's changed
*blah blah blah they get to the purpose of the call*
TIM: "So my question is, I'm intending on going to Turkey for gender reassignment surgery, does my travel insurance cover me for this?

My friend then had to explain that obviously fucking not, your policy is voided as soon as you step foot in another country for the purpose of discussing anything surgery related. This went as well as you can expect.

My friend (whilst nothing but professional) didn't refer to this person by Madam once during the call which pleases me greatly. The idiot still demanded to be put through to complaints though :rolleyes:
 
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PryingPenny

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One thing I struggle to understand is how someone can have their actual birth certificate changed. Surely this shouldn't be allowed? It's patently an untruth
 
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Funny_bunny

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I can’t even begin to state how much I hate the whole concept of gender. Biological sex is real and is real for a purpose. The whole idea in the 21st century that women should behave and look one way and men another and anyone not fitting these “ideals” is trans or non binary is ridiculous. As previously stayed up thread is anyone totally binary? I always preferred toy cars and Lego as a child back in the day, but no one batted an eyelid. I hated dolls. As an adult, I‘m not the slightest bit interested in fashion and beauty. I have a mix of interests, some more male dominated, others more typically female, yet, never, ever have i felt I must be a man. I’m not, nor would I want to be.
Of Course, so much of this comes down to misogyny and taking away women’s rights. It’s terrifying how women are being manipulated to “be kind” to creepy weird blokes. Men who at one time would have been rightly called out for being inappropriate and in women only spaces are now applauded as stunning and brave rather than the perverts that they are. Meanwhile we are meant to be submissive and silent. It’s as far from progressive as it can be.
 
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emmer_moans

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I don’t think people realise how wide the impacts are of teens being addicted to their phones. A few more years of this and generations will start losing basic social skills like talking to people instead of checking an app:
It took me a lot of willpower and effort this past year to stop scrolling socials so much and pick up a bloody book. I'm finally loving reading again and look forward to picking a book up when I get home from work rather than scrolling for 2 hours before dinner. I check here, I check my emails, have 5 mins quick check of Instagram and then the news and that's it. I have read 28 books this year so far (alright, some I listened to but it involves me putting my phone away). Before this year, I probably only read 1 book a year! I always used to love reading as a teen all my 20s was spent scrolling instead. I cringe at all the wasted hours in my 20s I spent on scrolling when I could have read or done other hobbies. Teenagers especially need to put their phones down.
 
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nothanksbabes

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But trans women can buy a manufactured vagina & vice versa. So what exactly does Keir believe?
He doesn't believe anything.

This is what I hate the most about present day politics. None of them have any sincere belief in anything they do. When I look back at leaders of the past, even Thatcher, who in many ways I detest, when she spoke I believe that she genuinely believed what she was saying, even if I am vehemently opposed to most of it. She had the courage of her convictions in that regard, where I can think of few present day politicians with any convictions at all.
 
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SkippyDoo

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The toilets thing was always brought up with a claim that it’s so innocuous and everyone is silly for worrying. “Oh so you really care where someone pees???” Of course men (unless they understand the issue) often don’t care, men by and large aren’t afraid of peeing by the side of the road either, but of course woman do care and lack of access to sanitary facilities is a feminist issue. It has always been a simple matter of respecting a female only space and boundaries or challenging it, and the push has been to challenge it, and women framed as silly and daft for caring.

“Well, since we used your toilets then you won’t mind if we dominate your sports and make the word ‘mother’ meaningless??” was always where we are going because part of this comes from an intense rage from some at the idea women have anything of their own at all.

And then in some cases there are even actively sinister reasons why males want to invade female spaces. The fact is that any decent man is mortified at the thought of upsetting or making afraid or uncomfortable women or especially young girls and will go out of his way to avoid doing so.
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I know one who did so at the age of 48. And yes, she’s always been very much “I’m not like other girls”.

It’s literally her entire personality. Every single topic of conversation has to somehow be related back to her being ‘non-binary’.
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It’s just so boring. I’m a lesbian, I don’t wear makeup except once a year at the Christmas party, I am in a male-dominated profession, I sometimes put a man’s shirt on if I feel like it, I truly believe I “present” and “act” more non-binary than most people who claim it if we want to play the silly game, but I have just finished my period and have lived my entire existence on this planet and will die absolutely female. “Non-binary” people are demonstrably uncomfortable with their (plural not singular) gender non-conformity, not embracing it.
 
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zetta buttons

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It’s so sad. He was a founder of Stonewall (I know they have moved so far away from what they originally stood for). He should be standing up for Rosie. He should remember what it feels like to be attacked for being a member of a marginalised group (being gay or female) or standing up for something you believe in (gay rights or women’s rights).

What’s happening?

Yesterday, I got really cross at my wife because she said I’m always ranting. I told her that there’s nowhere safe to rant other than here or at her. How is that ok? How is it ok that if a lesbian wanted to date but didn’t want male genitalia shoved in her face there was nowhere for her to go anymore? How would she feel if she was suddenly on her own and was looking for companionship as an older lesbian, now that the options that were available 22 years ago (before we got together) have all gone? She had no response to that. I am so scared for young, unsure gay women. The world must be terrifying.
 
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VeniVidiVicki

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I know two women who have come out as non binary in their 30s. They’re both straight and attention seeking.

It’s the ultimate ‘not like the other girls’.
 
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Dinate

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So Labour now wants to meet with JK Rowling:

'Rachel Reeves said the party would be “really happy” to “give her assurances” over its plans to change the process through which people can legally change gender.

Speaking in Scotland, Reeves said protection for women-only spaces would “absolutely stay”, adding: “We’re not going to be changing anything around biological sex … we’re really happy to talk to JK Rowling to give her assurances about that.”'

Starmer also seeing how the land lies makes one of his usual u-turns:

'Starmer echoed Reeves’s desire for the party to have a meeting with Rowling.

“I respect her,” he said of the author. “She has made some really important points. I’d welcome that discussion.'


So, Labour, and Starmer in particular, refuse to even acknowledge let alone apologise to Rosie Duffield, but are rushing to give assurances to an influential world famous author. They are so cynical.

JK Rowling says she's happy to meet with Labour if they first meet up with Keep Prisons Single Sex, Lesbian Labour, Women’s Right’s Network, Women’s Place UK and LGB Alliance. She's making it clear that she doesn't want a meeting for PR/window dressing purposes but for Labour to finally recognise and understand the rights that they are undermining and that we are trying to preserve. Given the previous statements of the likes of Lammy, Creasy, Rayner, Nandy etal, I think this is still meaningless.
 
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Metropolis

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Has anyone been following what happened to the women who attended a Let Women Speak rally in Brighton yesterday? Whether you agree with KJK’s activism or not, women should be able to gather and speak without being so intimidated and hassled that they fear for their safety. The police did a terrible job of keeping the TRAs a safe distance from the women, who were completely surrounded by TRAs. Afterwards, they were followed from the event by TRAs who were screaming at them so they tried to take refuge inside a shop which turned out to be run by a TRA who didn’t want them in there. Eventually, the police turned up and the women had to be personally protected by the police while they were put into a police van for their own safety and driven away.

One of the TRAs was none other than violent kidnapper and murderer Sarah Jane Baker (remember him from last year arrested for inciting violence against women? https://www.standard.co.uk/news/cri...charge-court-pride-rally-london-b1101371.html) currently out on licence (again). He was one of the ones who followed the women to the shop. Police did nothing to stop the intimidation and said the TRAs had a right to freedom of speech.





ETA, it’s in the second half of the second tweet video once there’s no police around that you can see the full-scale intimidation of the women by a bunch of men. Bastards.
 
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VC10

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This fucking madness has to stop.

I hope they win their case.


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Vote for Labour or libdems and why not have these hard working shift nurses sacked and imprisoned.

There they will watch videos on how to behave in the future, when they are released.







Don't waste that vote, when you go.



Remember these Women.

And your Daughters & Grandaughters.
 
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klarakluckbag

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well he’s not gonna be fuckin found if people are looking for a woman with a bob
There's absolutely nothing offensive about stating that *this person* is missing, that they like to be known as Sarah, and they may be wearing clothing that would be worn by women. What is offensive is insisting that this missing and apparently vulnerable man is, in fact a woman when he clearly isn't. And to make matters worse, the Met police (who all seem to know what a woman is when they want to sexually harass one) then threaten anyone who doesn't go along with their gaslighting.
Ffs, you couldn't make it up! 🙄
 
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MaineCoonMama

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I think most people are 'non binary.'
I can't think of one person I know who is so manly or feminine that they exclude opposite sex hobbies, clothing, music taste or whatever from their lives.
We all know a 'manly man' who likes shopping and trash TV for example or a feminine woman who loves rugby. It's just silly navel-gazing to me.
 
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petitspois

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JK Rowling, June 21 2024, The Times

On Thursday evening, I went to the best book launch I’ve ever attended, and I’m including all of the Harry Potter launches, crazily memorable though those were. This one took place in a large, old, wood-panelled room in the middle of Edinburgh, and the evening was so warm the windows were open, so we could hear the distant strains of bagpipes from the Royal Mile.

I’d arrived straight off a plane from London, and when I got into the room I thought “damn, of course,” because most of the women there were wearing the suffragette colours: green, purple and white, and I was head to toe in black jumper and trousers, like a mime, which was ironic given what we were there to celebrate.

This was a belated, post-publication party for The Women Who Wouldn’t Wheesht, the book of essays to which I contributed, and which came out last month. “Wheesht” is a Scots injunction to be quiet: “haud your wheesht” means “hush!”

The book has contributions from 30 or so problematic Scottish females who didn’t agree with the former first minister Nicola Sturgeon’s vision of a country where a man could become a woman simply by declaring himself one.

Among the writers were politicians, journalists, activists and policy analysts. However, many contributors have no public profile. Some had written their essays anonymously.

I can’t use the word “ordinary” for the latter women, because they’re about as far from “ordinary” as you can get. These are the women who risked (and in some cases, lost) their livelihoods by standing up against an ideology embraced by Scottish politicians, state institutions and by the police.

These supposedly ordinary women fought because they could see no alternative but to fight: for other vulnerable women and girls, for single-sex spaces, for the right to speak about our own bodies as we please, and to retain the ability to call a man as a man, without which no analysis or activism around sex-based issues and inequalities is possible.

There were speeches, a lot of cake and laughter, hugs for those who’d never met in person, and a feeling of delight and celebration that the book had been such an unexpected success (it caught the publisher off guard, as he admitted at the party; there have been several reprints already).

The women there were so funny, so brave, so determined; I don’t think I’ve ever felt as much solidarity in a room, a solidarity that stretched across party divides. I still felt elated and inspired when I got home.

On entering my sitting room, I found my husband watching the leaders’ debate on TV and I reached the sofa just in time to hear from another woman who didn’t fancy hauding her wheesht.

“Three years ago,” the woman in the studio audience said to Keir Starmer, “you criticised your MP Rosie Duffield for saying ‘only women have a cervix’. You recently backtracked on this. What do you believe now, and how do we know that you will stick to your views?” Ah, Cervixgate. I remember it well. It was September 2021 and I was sitting at my kitchen table reading over the chapter I’d finished the day before. The TV was on in the background, my husband was making toast, and I thought I must have misheard what the Labour leader had just said, so I reached for the remote. I rewound the programme and replayed his answer, then rewound and replayed it again.

I really wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt, you see. I’ve been a Labour voter, a member (no longer), donor (not recently) and campaigner (ditto) all my adult life. I want to see an end to this long stretch of chaotic and often calamitous Tory rule. I want to want to vote Labour. But I hadn’t heard Starmer wrongly. When asked whether he agreed with Rosie Duffield that “only women have a cervix”, he’d responded, “well, it is something that shouldn’t be said. It is not right.”

If you’d catapulted me forwards in time from 1997, the year Labour last succeeded in ending a long stretch of Tory rule, and told me their male leader would appear live on television, dictating what women were allowed to say about their own reproductive systems, I’d have had no frame of reference by which to understand what would have seemed an utterance of outright lunacy.

Unfortunately, by 2021, Starmer’s answer had to be seen in the context of a Labour Party that not merely saw the rights of women as disposable, but struggled to say what a woman was at all.

Take Anneliese Dodds, the shadow secretary for women and equalities, who, when asked what a woman is, said, it “depends on what the context is”. Take Yvette Cooper, the shadow home secretary: “I’m not going to get into rabbit holes on this”; Stella Creasy, Labour candidate for Walthamstow: “Do I think some women were born with penises? Yes … But they are now women and I respect that”; Emily Thornberry, the shadow attorney-general: “Women who are trans deserve to be recognised, and yes — therefore some of them will have penises. Frankly, I’m not looking up their skirts, I don’t care.” Dawn Butler, the former MP for Brent Central, actually announced on TV that “a child is born without sex at the beginning” (I choose to believe she meant the lesser of two insanities here: a sex, not that children really are delivered by stork.)

Some of this is almost funny, but loses its humour when real-world consequences of gender ideology arise. When asked whether violent sex offenders who transition should be rehoused in women’s prisons, Lisa Nandy, the shadow secretary for international development, said: “I think trans women are women, I think trans men are men, so I think they should be in the prison of their choosing.”

Rebecca Long-Bailey, the candidate for Salford, said female victims of male violence shouldn’t use their trauma “as an argument to discriminate against trans people” and vowed to change laws to stop women’s refuges excluding men who identify as women.

David Lammy, the shadow foreign secretary, called women like me “dinosaurs hoarding rights”. Lammy, too, has form on the vexed question of cervixes: “A cervix, I understand, is something you can have following various procedures and hormone treatments.” It’s very hard not to suspect that some of these men don’t know what a cervix is, but consider it too unimportant to Google.

So, there I was, on the edge of my sofa seat on Thursday night, waiting to hear Starmer clarify his views on an issue that places many left-leaning women on the spectrum between anger and disgust at his party’s embrace of gender identity ideology. Did he still maintain that women and cervixes ought not to be mentioned together?

“On the biology,” Starmer began, “I agree with what Tony Blair said the other day, in relation to men having penises and women having vaginas.”

“So you’ve changed your position?” asked the moderator. “On the biology,” emphasised Starmer, leaving the impression that until Tony Blair sat him down for a chat, he’d never understood how he and his wife had come to produce children.

“That doesn’t help on the gender… some people don’t identify with the gender they’re born into …”

And off we meandered into the familiar trans activist talking points where so many Labour frontbenchers appear to feel most comfortable: “… my view in life is to give respect and dignity to everyone, whatever their position. And I was worried at the time, you referenced that particular debate [when Rosie Duffield stated biological facts], by the way in which the debate was being conducted, because it got very toxic, very divided, very hard line …”

In the interests of full transparency, I should say that Rosie Duffield’s a friend of mine. We’d probably have been friends no matter where or how we’d met, but we found each other as part of a group of women fighting to retain women’s rights.

She and I share more than the occasional meal and a fairly sweary WhatsApp thread. Last month, a man received a suspended prison sentence for sending both of us death threats. Rosie was to be taken out with a gun; I was to be beaten to death with a hammer. The level of threats Rosie has received is such that she’s had to hire personal security and was recently advised not to conduct in-person hustings.

Is this what Starmer meant, when he talked about toxic, divided debate? A female MP in his own party being intimidated and harassed? Or was he referencing the activists in black masks who turn up at women’s demonstrations with the declared intention of punching “Terfs”, an intention that has more than once translated into action? Was he perhaps thinking of the trans activists who sang “f*** you” over a microphone as women from all over the world queued outside FiLia, the feminist conference, to discuss issues like female genital mutilation? It didn’t seem so.

The impression given by Starmer at Thursday’s debate was that there had been something unkind, something toxic, something hard line in Rosie’s words, even though almost identical words had sounded perfectly reasonable when spoken by Blair.

It seems Rosie has received literally no support from Starmer over the threats and abuse, some of which has originated from within the Labour Party itself, and has had a severe, measurable impact on her life.

But she fights on, like all the women at the book launch, because she feels she has no choice. Like me, she believes the stakes are too high to walk away.

For left-leaning women like us, this isn’t, and never has been, about trans people enjoying the rights of every other citizen, and being free to present and identify however they wish.

This is about the right of women and girls to assert their boundaries. It’s about freedom of speech and observable truth. It’s about waiting, with dwindling hope, for the left to wake up to the fact that its lazy embrace of a quasi-religious ideology is having calamitous consequences.

Two hours before I watched Starmer fail, yet again, to get off the fence he’s so reluctant to stop straddling, I met the woman who wrote what I think all contributors would agree is the most important chapter in The Women Who Wouldn’t Wheesht. It’s called A Hashtag is Born. The writer coined the phrase “women won’t wheesht”, which has now been taken up as a feminist battle cry in Scotland and beyond.

She wrote anonymously about being smeared as a bigot and a transphobe for wanting female-only intimate care for her beautiful learning-disabled daughter (I know her daughter’s beautiful, because I met her, too). In part, this mother wrote: “The material reality of a man is not changed by how he perceives himself, and telling vulnerable women and girls to ignore their own discomfort to accommodate a man’s perception of himself, is gaslighting.”

I cannot vote for any politician who takes issue with that mother’s words.

If you choose to prevaricate and patronise rather than address her concerns, if you continue to insist that the most vulnerable must embrace your luxury beliefs, no matter the cost to themselves, I don’t trust your judgment and I have a poor opinion of your character.

An independent candidate is standing in my constituency who’s campaigning to clarify the Equality Act.

Perhaps that’s where my X will have to go on July 4. As long as Labour remains dismissive and often offensive towards women fighting to retain the rights their foremothers thought were won for all time, I’ll struggle to support them. The women who wouldn’t wheesht didn’t leave Labour. Labour abandoned them.

Source: https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politic...like-me-ill-struggle-to-vote-for-it-rrgbcrkd6
What an absolutely magnificent woman. There are so few people willing to stand up for what's right these days, especially politicians. So many people with influence are self serving yet she puts her head above the parapet time and time again to stand up for our rights. I admire her so much.
 
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TheMiceInTheShed

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Reading the comments on here - my god, the TRAs are a nasty bunch!

"Genital preferences are bullshit"
And yet all of those male "lesbians" want to have sex with women -- if "genitals are a social construct", why don't they want sex with other transwomen - after all, a dick is just a bullshit social construct. But they don't want another TW - they want a woman and will bully women and girls into having sex with them.

"If you are only attracted to genitals and won't allow trans into your dating pool, you're a transphobic bigot"


Well, no. Because we are ALL allowed to decide who we want to sleep with. You're attracted to someone, and not to someone else, and that is your body's response to them AND NO-ONE HAS A RIGHT TO DENY YOU YOUR BIOLOGICAL INSTINCTS AND RESPONSES. Your body knows what it wants.

It transpeople were content to sleep with people who want to sleep with them, and not try to force people who find the thought of sex with them a turn-off, then there would be no problem. If they genuinely thought that genitals were immaterial, they wouldn't insist on bullying people whose genitals they prefer - they'd just accept that some people weren't attracted to them. Transwomen would be happy with other transwomen, and transmen with other transmen. But they aren't.

I'm straight - it doesn't mean that I fancy every man I meet. Why should a gay person (of either sex) be expected to be attracted to every other same-sexed person they meet? And especially why should they be expected to be attracted to people of the same gender (whatever the hell that's supposed to be). Particularly when being gay means being same-SEX attracted - not same gender attracted?

Homosexual is NOT homogenderal.
 
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Funny_bunny

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The shop where the Brighton LWS women tried to take refuge has issued a statement :mad:

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Love, support and solidarity to a baying mob of threatening, aggressive males attacking peacefully protesting women. Do the general public have any idea how awful these MEN behave? Or do they imagine Hailey Cropper from Coronation Street when they think of TIM, not violent, woman loathing creepy bullies.
 
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