Complete contagion in the way that eating disorders were rampant in my teenage years (early 00s)
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Wondered how long it would take, especially with her step sister as an influence.
I always believe Jlo's daughter became NB to become invisible - to not have to compete or compare with her mother's beauty, Jlo's always being surrounded by vanity, shes an actress and "singer" but it is all about her sexy look, fashion and style, her very public love life and her narcissism.
And of course they have the privilege of being whatever they want they without repurcussions because they are rich kids living in la la land
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i‘ve only read press reviews but it seems v comprehensive. One thing that has shocked me is that young people apparently stay on puberty blockers into their mid 20s.
Key findings from the report - no evidence, no explanation, no exploration. An entire treatment regime for children driven by ideology. It’s terrifying.
- There is no simple explanation for the increase in the numbers of predominantly young people and young adults who have a trans or gender diverse identity, but there is broad agreement that it is a result of a complex interplay between biological, psychological and social factors. This balance of factors will be different in each individual.
- There are conflicting views about the clinical approach, with expectations of care at times being far from usual clinical practice. This has made some clinicians fearful of working with gender-questioning young people, despite their presentation being similar to many children and young people presenting to other NHS services.
- An appraisal of international guidelines for care and treatment of children and young people with gender incongruence found that that no single guideline could be applied in its entirety to the NHS in England.
- While a considerable amount of research has been published in this field, systematic evidence reviews demonstrated the poor quality of the published studies, meaning there is not a reliable evidence base upon which to make clinical decisions, or for children and their families to make informed choices.
- The strengths and weaknesses of the evidence base on the care of children and young people are often misrepresented and overstated, both in scientific publications and social debate.
- The controversy surrounding the use of medical treatments has taken focus away from what the individualised care and treatment is intended to achieve for individuals seeking support from NHS gender services.
- The rationale for early puberty suppression remains unclear, with weak evidence regarding the impact on gender dysphoria, mental or psychosocial health. The effect on cognitive and psychosexual development remains unknown.
- The use of masculinising / feminising hormones in those under the age of 18 also presents many unknowns, despite their longstanding use in the adult transgender population. The lack of long-term follow-up data on those commencing treatment at an earlier age means we have inadequate information about the range of outcomes for this group.
- Clinicians are unable to determine with any certainty which children and young people will go on to have an enduring trans identity.
- For most young people, a medical pathway will not be the best way to manage their gender-related distress. For those young people for whom a medical pathway is clinically indicated, it is not enough to provide this without also addressing wider mental health and/or psychosocially challenging problems.
- Innovation is important if medicine is to move forward, but there must be a proportionate level of monitoring, oversight and regulation that does not stifle progress, while preventing creep of unproven approaches into clinical practice. Innovation must draw from and contribute to the evidence base.
I’ve only skimmed the Cass report so far, but the main thing standing out for me is (qtd from the bbc)that “In essence, she says children have been let down by a failure to base gender care on evidence-based research”, plus frequent references to the “toxicity” surrounding the topic, which resulted in services that should have been assessing children for other issues being too “nervous” to do so and shipping kids straight off to gender services.
What a surprise that #nodebate resulted in #noevidence, eh?
What a surprise that #nodebate resulted in #noevidence, eh?
I really like the show Glow Up but it's one of the most captured shows I've ever seen. One of the MUAs is named Finley and their pronouns are listed as he/him but it's obvious from the first glance Finley is a TIF. Flat chested, with a lowered voice but evidently, obviously a female face and frame.
I’ve been keeping an eye on the GenderGP subreddit that was linked earlier in the thread as it looks like it’s all going to hell in a handbasket (and it seems to be dawning on their client base that the Webberleys were only ever in this for the money).
But it got me wondering: if the Cass report results in a tightening up of NHS gender services, are private services legally compelled to follow the same protocols, or can private providers do as they please? Basically, might the Cass report ironically lead to an increase in Webberley-seque grifters, if the NHS is more constrained?
But it got me wondering: if the Cass report results in a tightening up of NHS gender services, are private services legally compelled to follow the same protocols, or can private providers do as they please? Basically, might the Cass report ironically lead to an increase in Webberley-seque grifters, if the NHS is more constrained?
“Poor quality of the published studies”. Says it all. When you make tit up and cherry pick results to fit your already pre-agreed narrative guess what, that is the most unscientific approach anyone can take. Even the central plank of the argument, the suicide rates amongst “trans children”, where the whole trans genocide BS stems from, was completed by sociologists and humanities researchers, who much as they would like to think otherwise are not actual scientists. They weren’t the ones in the labs developing vaccines during the pandemics. They were however on the TV screens playing about with numbers and scaring the tit out of already nervous people.UK Government Web Archive
This Page is [ARCHIVED CONTENT] and shows what the site page https://cass.independent-review.uk/home/publications/final-report/ looked like on 10 Mar 2025 at 14:36:33
i‘ve only read press reviews but it seems v comprehensive. One thing that has shocked me is that young people apparently stay on puberty blockers into their mid 20s.
Key findings from the report - no evidence, no explanation, no exploration. An entire treatment regime for children driven by ideology. It’s terrifying.
- There is no simple explanation for the increase in the numbers of predominantly young people and young adults who have a trans or gender diverse identity, but there is broad agreement that it is a result of a complex interplay between biological, psychological and social factors. This balance of factors will be different in each individual.
- There are conflicting views about the clinical approach, with expectations of care at times being far from usual clinical practice. This has made some clinicians fearful of working with gender-questioning young people, despite their presentation being similar to many children and young people presenting to other NHS services.
- An appraisal of international guidelines for care and treatment of children and young people with gender incongruence found that that no single guideline could be applied in its entirety to the NHS in England.
- While a considerable amount of research has been published in this field, systematic evidence reviews demonstrated the poor quality of the published studies, meaning there is not a reliable evidence base upon which to make clinical decisions, or for children and their families to make informed choices.
- The strengths and weaknesses of the evidence base on the care of children and young people are often misrepresented and overstated, both in scientific publications and social debate.
- The controversy surrounding the use of medical treatments has taken focus away from what the individualised care and treatment is intended to achieve for individuals seeking support from NHS gender services.
- The rationale for early puberty suppression remains unclear, with weak evidence regarding the impact on gender dysphoria, mental or psychosocial health. The effect on cognitive and psychosexual development remains unknown.
- The use of masculinising / feminising hormones in those under the age of 18 also presents many unknowns, despite their longstanding use in the adult transgender population. The lack of long-term follow-up data on those commencing treatment at an earlier age means we have inadequate information about the range of outcomes for this group.
- Clinicians are unable to determine with any certainty which children and young people will go on to have an enduring trans identity.
- For most young people, a medical pathway will not be the best way to manage their gender-related distress. For those young people for whom a medical pathway is clinically indicated, it is not enough to provide this without also addressing wider mental health and/or psychosocially challenging problems.
- Innovation is important if medicine is to move forward, but there must be a proportionate level of monitoring, oversight and regulation that does not stifle progress, while preventing creep of unproven approaches into clinical practice. Innovation must draw from and contribute to the evidence base.
Anyhow I feel for Dr Cass because I believe she is about to reap the whirlwind of hatred, have her reputation ripped to shreds, and have every aspect of her life and career dissected and held up to ridicule for stating the bloody obvious. We can’t have an actual woman having an informed opinion can we?
Bloody hell, it's on the front page of the Guardian and it's actually quite balanced!
Shouldn’t they be happy that there’s been a serious study focussed on improving care for young trans people? More proof this is a cult
That there was pushback before the report was even published is entirely predictable and proof that they know they built their house on foundations of sand. Even the most cursory glance betrays a complete lack of robust evidence. Everyone on both sides has always known this, hence #nodebate.
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That surprised me too! I wonder if we’ll see a careful recalibrating of editorial output from the more captured areas of the press now?
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Yes, I have significant concerns for Dr Cass. She’s about to be on the receiving end of a concentrated tornado of the exact toxicity she has clearly referenced in her report.
Yet despite that, they also are also running this story from the perspective of the mother of a ‘trans child’ (with diagnosed autism
):The woman said the Cass report represented “an agenda from up on high that things need to be more difficult”. “It’s hard enough as a parent without having the entire society or media pointing at transgender people as if they’re some aberration or as if they threaten us.”
Amelia Hansford, a 25-year-old transgender journalist, agreed. Hansford was herself referred to Gids as well as receiving some private treatment. She said younger people were in a worse position now than she had been when she sought help.
“I think if I was 15 or 16 years old and growing up in the UK right now, with feelings of gender dysphoria … it’s just such a different time. And I think it’s so dangerous to be a trans person in a lot of different ways.”
Hansford said trans healthcare was undervalued by society when you considered how life-changing it can be. “I would say that, for me, going on [hormone therapies] has been the single greatest thing that has ever happened to me,” she said.
good thread for those not for reading the full report yet
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6 out of 7 adult gender clinics refused to participate in research on outcomes in Gender care.
Feels like the report is a summary of much of these threads
My daughter used to love that show but we stopped watching when they started the pronoun crap. I'm not having them exposed to that. And why can't you just enjoy make up without having to have a story about hating yourself?
On the J-Lo front - remember when she split up with that basketball/baseball guy, she posted a clip on instagram of her daughter crying as she was so upset. I can't imagine those twins having a decent upbringing. She brings men into their lives far too quickly and it must be awful having a mother who must invest so much in her appearance.
Imagine if all the parents of teenagers with eating disorders back then came out and celebrated their child's disease. Posted about it on social media, put anoxreia flags in their bios, campaigned for the world to go along with their childs delusion, implementing new procedures in the workplace and in schools where anyone who didn't go along with it would lose their jobs, made having their child with anorexia their whole personality and turned a blind eye to the physical and mental toll of the condition. Blaming everyone else on the planet when their child inevitably died because they simply did not affirm them enough.
It's insane, all this is insane.
The thing is you aren't even allowed to attempt to research the psychological aspects of gender dysphoria. I wanted to analyse the connection between autism and gender dysphoria in a paper I was doing. It's incredibly common especially for autistic girls to feel gender dysphoria because of societal norms & sensory difficulties. Transitioning won't cure that feeling , my daughter who is 11 said she was non binary she's autistic. I said to her you feel like this because of societal expectations of what a girl should be.
You don't have to do any stereotypical "women" things but you always be female because you were born that way. She has embraced her autistic identity and the gender dysphoria has disappeared.
I wonder how many girls it's actually autism that's causing the feeling ?
The Five Live call in now with Nicky Campbell is the outcomes of the report. Already said he wants a respectful debate. We shall see.
the girl I know of who I was told is NB is also autistic. She was 12 when I was told she had changed her name and used they/them pronouns. Mum was looking into chest binders as the girl was going to do it anyway and mum wanted to make sure she was doing it “safely”.
I don’t really know the family that well, more acquaintances, but the girl has had terrible behaviour issues from a very young age, completely off the rails even in primary school. I am concerned about what trauma she has experienced as a child. Her dad is an absolute hole and fortunately the parents did at least separate so she no longer lives with him but the problems sta.
I am really concerned for the girl especially in the long term as she becomes an adult. I don’t get a good feeling about her at all. Very cold and vacant.
Of course trans ideology will want everyone to believe all of the problems was due to gender dysphoria. But we know changing her identity isn’t going to fix anything. And then the blame for her mental health will be placed on society being transphobic.
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