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Totally agree. He’s really young right, like around 10? duck these people. I hate it.

I think it’s his wife. She always comes across as very thirsty for attention despite her claim to fame is primarily being David Tennant’s wife.
I've always felt they are a bit "off." I see a lot of people who normally criticise celebrities with much younger partners as exploitative, but then defend him having a wife 14 years younger because "she was an adult who already had a child and she did all the chasing etc. etc." And now fall all over him for having a "non-binary" 10-year-old and flashing his pronoun pins while his wife they/thems the child all over her Insta like he's a fashion accessory
 
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Anyone seen the Escaping Twin Flames docu? One of the many bleeping awful abusive things the cult leader did was coerce women to transition into trans men. Top surgery and all. It was described as a form of conversion therapy as he did it to les women.

Wow, I thought, mainstream media finally admitting that this is a thing; that people are being groomed and coerced, that transing away the gay actually happens.

Of course not. They wheeled out a TiF talking head complete with inevitable wanky 'male' name (Cassius 🙄 ) to handwave and say nonono, this is not what trans is! People will watch this and say that trans is a cult and if course it's not! People explore gender all by themselves and aren't groomed, no never! Well, apart from this time, but practically never!

Yeah, lady then explain the ROGD explosion. The social contagion amongst young teen girls. The male creeps bragging about the 'eggs' they have cracked. The fact that every. single. detransitioner. says they were groomed.

Finally, pre credits they posted the crap and easily debunked claim that out of 7000 trans people surveyed only 1% regretted. Yeah, that's because you poll them when they are still high on opiates, cross sex hormones and sunk costs.

Just wanted to get that off my chest. It ruined an otherwise good documentary. I suppose at least now it's out there and will get a few people thinking, especially those who see through the strained logical gymnastics of the trans 'expert'.
 
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inevitable wanky 'male' name (Cassius 🙄 )
We've got a TIF in the company where I work and she has chosen a very old-fashioned name from the Bible (think Ezekiel, Ishmael etc.) that you rarely see except on fundamendalist Christians which she's not. She's a nice person and I guess at least she's not another "Aiden" or "Kai", but it is very telling how they all seem to have the same background and aesthetic
 
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Anyone seen the Escaping Twin Flames docu? One of the many bleeping awful abusive things the cult leader did was coerce women to transition into trans men. Top surgery and all. It was described as a form of conversion therapy as he did it to les women.

Wow, I thought, mainstream media finally admitting that this is a thing; that people are being groomed and coerced, that transing away the gay actually happens.

Of course not. They wheeled out a TiF talking head complete with inevitable wanky 'male' name (Cassius 🙄 ) to handwave and say nonono, this is not what trans is! People will watch this and say that trans is a cult and if course it's not! People explore gender all by themselves and aren't groomed, no never! Well, apart from this time, but practically never!

Yeah, lady then explain the ROGD explosion. The social contagion amongst young teen girls. The male creeps bragging about the 'eggs' they have cracked. The fact that every. single. detransitioner. says they were groomed.

Finally, pre credits they posted the crap and easily debunked claim that out of 7000 trans people surveyed only 1% regretted. Yeah, that's because you poll them when they are still high on opiates, cross sex hormones and sunk costs.

Just wanted to get that off my chest. It ruined an otherwise good documentary. I suppose at least now it's out there and will get a few people thinking, especially those who see through the strained logical gymnastics of the trans 'expert'.
Yes, I saw the documentary on Netflix (there is a different one about the exact same cult on Prime that also covers the transitioning but in less detail).

It was quite something to see a whole documentary explaining how transitioning can easily happen due to social pressures, influence from others, the contagion of thinking, gender stereotypes, internalised misogyny and homophobia… and then say “of course, this isn’t how it happens outside cults at all…!” The expert they chose was clearly an attempt to say this was definitely the wrong type of transitioning… but the show showed very easily how those women with fragile self-image and self-worth could easily be pushed into this by others.
 
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Anyone seen the Escaping Twin Flames docu? One of the many bleeping awful abusive things the cult leader did was coerce women to transition into trans men. Top surgery and all. It was described as a form of conversion therapy as he did it to les women.

Wow, I thought, mainstream media finally admitting that this is a thing; that people are being groomed and coerced, that transing away the gay actually happens.

Of course not. They wheeled out a TiF talking head complete with inevitable wanky 'male' name (Cassius 🙄 ) to handwave and say nonono, this is not what trans is! People will watch this and say that trans is a cult and if course it's not! People explore gender all by themselves and aren't groomed, no never! Well, apart from this time, but practically never!

Yeah, lady then explain the ROGD explosion. The social contagion amongst young teen girls. The male creeps bragging about the 'eggs' they have cracked. The fact that every. single. detransitioner. says they were groomed.

Finally, pre credits they posted the crap and easily debunked claim that out of 7000 trans people surveyed only 1% regretted. Yeah, that's because you poll them when they are still high on opiates, cross sex hormones and sunk costs.

Just wanted to get that off my chest. It ruined an otherwise good documentary. I suppose at least now it's out there and will get a few people thinking, especially those who see through the strained logical gymnastics of the trans 'expert'.
Where is this documentary showing/streaming please?
 
Where is this documentary showing/streaming please?
There is one on Netflix and one on Amazon Prime Video, both have “Twin Flames” in the title and both cover the compelled / very much encouraged transitioning aspect. The Netflix one is the one mentioned by the poster above which includes the TIF professor and the strong attempt to say transitioning isn’t really like this…
 
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It was quite something to see a whole documentary explaining how transitioning can easily happen due to social pressures, influence from others, the contagion of thinking, gender stereotypes, internalised misogyny and homophobia… and then say “of course, this isn’t how it happens outside cults at all…!” The expert they chose was clearly an attempt to say this was definitely the wrong type of transitioning… but the show showed very easily how those women with fragile self-image and self-worth could easily be pushed into this by others.
The irony was astonishing wasn't it? Practically the first rule of being in a cult is that you don't KNOW it's a cult. They literally showed footage of the pound shop Jesus telling the followers that they definitely are not in a cult and saying the people who accused him were mental.

Minutes later:here's another cult leader telling trans people they are definitely not in a cult and anyone who says so is mental.

Astonishing.
 
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The irony was astonishing wasn't it? Practically the first rule of being in a cult is that you don't KNOW it's a cult. They literally showed footage of the pound shop Jesus telling the followers that they definitely are not in a cult and saying the people who accused him were mental.

Minutes later:here's another cult leader telling trans people they are definitely not in a cult and anyone who says so is mental.

Astonishing.
Absolutely wild.
Ah, it’s that old chestnut ‘true trans vs people who are just pretending’ 🙄
Indeed and and in this case with an added “true trans and those pushed into it.”

Of course those “pushed into it” are only the ones in the cult we are all pointing and looking at, everyone else makes the best independent choices that are definitely true and innate. You know, like Jazz Jennings, no issues there.
 
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Gaslighting wankers.
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Just saw this (I didn’t watch CIN last night). Just why? I know he has a gender non-conforming child, but the more Tennant and his wife affirm their support of trans ideology, the more difficult it will be for their son to say, “actually, I’m comfortable being a boy.”
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I used to fangirl over him when Dr Who first came back in the mid 00s. I get so much ick from him for this, and his smug as feck wife pushing this ideology on their kids for social media points. Ugh
 
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Today I was asked to introduce myself at an event give my pronouns. I just ignored the pronoun thing because I have no interest in what people call me when I'm not there. But I've decided next time I'm just going to act dumb and say "I'm sorry what do you mean" and then when they explain "I don't understand" and just keep going until they get sick of me. I'm also thinking of starting to declare my adjectives, insisting that others refer to me by my preferred adjectives of Grumpy/Awesome
 
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This was banned from YouTube - it's quite long, 90+mins, and quite Christian in outlook. The woman is from Texas, right-wing, republican. The time-span is 10-15 years ago. And most important is how this woman and her children were expected (and forced by the legal system) to affirm her husband's autogenyphilia.

 
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I mean, the Lib Dems lost all credibility some time ago imo, but this cements my feelings towards them.
I used to fangirl over him when Dr Who first came back in the mid 00s. I get so much ick from him for this, and his smug as feck wife pushing this ideology on their kids for social media points. Ugh
Same. Used to think he was hot, but his promoting of trans ideology is a real turn off. I was so looking forward to the relaunch of Dr Who since it was trashed by Chibnall, but knowing that RT Davies also supports the trans agenda and is making a point of having trans characters in the new series just for the sake of trans visibility (rather than their acting credentials) leaves me cold. I don’t want to be preached to by Dr Who.
they lost all credibility some time ago imo, but this just cements my feelings.
 
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Why does this need to be in the workplace though? We have a policy on work relationships that basically states keep it out of the office and keep it professional, so why are people now proclaiming their preferences and proclivities and fetishes to all and sundry? It is profoundly uninteresting. I’d rather someone tell me they were a warhammer enthusiast, or really into crochet, or baseball because I can have a conversation them and ask them questions that aren’t going to get inappropriate from the get go.

Them - I’m Elf and I’m pansexual

Me - *has no clue what to say to that* um ok, is that noisy?
They bring it into the workplace because they constantly try to put themselves on the same level as LGB. But LGB orientations have only ever been relevant in the workplace because LGB people would actually be sacked if they were found out to be LGB, and there was campaigning to make such discrimination illegal.

No one has ever been sacked because they don't bag people on the first date, same for asexuals, no ones ever lost a job because they're asexual.
 
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Anyone seen the Escaping Twin Flames docu? One of the many bleeping awful abusive things the cult leader did was coerce women to transition into trans men. Top surgery and all. It was described as a form of conversion therapy as he did it to les women.

Wow, I thought, mainstream media finally admitting that this is a thing; that people are being groomed and coerced, that transing away the gay actually happens.

Of course not. They wheeled out a TiF talking head complete with inevitable wanky 'male' name (Cassius 🙄 ) to handwave and say nonono, this is not what trans is! People will watch this and say that trans is a cult and if course it's not! People explore gender all by themselves and aren't groomed, no never! Well, apart from this time, but practically never!

Yeah, lady then explain the ROGD explosion. The social contagion amongst young teen girls. The male creeps bragging about the 'eggs' they have cracked. The fact that every. single. detransitioner. says they were groomed.

Finally, pre credits they posted the crap and easily debunked claim that out of 7000 trans people surveyed only 1% regretted. Yeah, that's because you poll them when they are still high on opiates, cross sex hormones and sunk costs.

Just wanted to get that off my chest. It ruined an otherwise good documentary. I suppose at least now it's out there and will get a few people thinking, especially those who see through the strained logical gymnastics of the trans 'expert'.
Yes! I thought exactly the same. And I wish there was more recourse for documentaries using debunked stats as fact.
To be honest, a lot of Netflix documentaries fall short on the critical thinking side of things - preferring to just retell a subject over one too many episodes - so not entirely surprised they didn’t join the dots about susceptible young women, unhealthy influences and gender ideology in a coherent way.

It was bizarre to wheel out Cassius/the twee little sentences at the end. It had no relevance to the documentary really. I suppose it speaks to the fear the media has of saying anything that could potentially be considered as ‘anti-trans’.

It was deeply disturbing to watch how these women were manipulated - I don’t think people realise sometimes how easy the internet has made it. Cults aren’t a commune on an abandoned bit of land, they’re zoom meetings and Facebook groups, text messages and chats. Whether or not trans ideology is a cult is probably more of a distracting question than a useful one, but many who buy into it certainly use the techniques of cults - manipulation, coercion, and isolation.

I’m not sure if that sounds all a bit pearl clutchy, but I think when people - especially those who have low self esteem - find a place of sanctuary online, sometimes it’s all too easy to get sucked into something that ends up rather extreme.
 
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