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usefullyuseless

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Welcome to TERF Club!

Meaning of woman: adult human female.

Meaning of female: of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs, distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova) which can be fertilized by male gametes (sperm)

Meaning of man: adult human male.

Meaning of male: of or denoting the sex that is distinguished biologically by the production of male gametes (sperm/spermatozoa) which can fertilize female gametes (ova).

The trans rights movement is a homophobic, misogynistic movement.
 
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SkippyDoo

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Oh if you're genuinely curious I'm happy to answer. Love Mae Martin and searched for them on here to see if they had a thread. Unfortunately it took me to your ignorant post.

You're a lesbian? Even more baffling to me that someone in the queer community can't comprehend the concept of identifying as non-binary. Mae never identified as lesbian as far as I know but even if they did, sexuality is fluid.

You're concerned with lesbian visibility? Imagine how non-binary people feel.

Must be restrictive and miserable living such a black and white, unforgiving existence.

I'm not virtue signalling I just take issue with people being willfully ignorant.
I see, so you jumped into a thread without any context, found a post and jumped on that.

We can safely say from your posts that you didn’t realise a lesbian was writing about why Mae Martin basically posing as a lesbian / failing to correct the assumption she was one, might be very annoying, so case closed there. Just for information, lesbians are allowed to talk about this and other things that affect them, without you policing this (whether you’re a lesbian yourself or not).

As for the gender identity element, it isn’t “living a black and white existence” to recognise biological sex. If you think it is “boring” in some way to be aware that being female is real and quite meaningful and you can’t identify out of nor into it, this thread might not float your boat, though in my experience genuine exchanges of views here are welcome. We can all of course play look, look, I’ve found a post that’s wrong! — and engage in “I’m the most open-minded, the best observer of pronouns etc” if that’s our choice.

What I find boring is acting like coming up with or banging on about endless new identities is in some way edgy or modern or more intelligent or worthy than noting what biological reality means for all of us but especially girls and women, or that it’s somehow further forward than the idea Mae Martin can present and act as gender-non-conforming as she wants, or not, and still she is a woman. What’s truly tedious is acting like most people aren’t a little bit “non-binary” once it is clarified what “non-binary” actually means, to the point that it’s basically a pointless term. One concerning part being that that doesn’t stop top surgery for women being part of the expected look once this very freeing identity rolls around, whereas of course men don’t really have to do anything.

In the 80s, we all knew Boy George was a man. In the 90s, Eddie Izzard knew he was, and a transvestite too, and how honest of him. We seem to have gone backwards now. Gender ideology isn’t open-mindedness writ large but simple sexism. “Gender criticals” have very diverse and fluid ideas of gender in comparison to those who think it’s possible to “feel” like a woman or not (even if you are one), they (we, let me get the pronouns right!) just always recognise biological sex.
 
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Metropolis

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You're a lesbian? Even more baffling to me that someone in the queer community can't comprehend the concept of identifying as non-binary. Mae never identified as lesbian as far as I know but even if they did, sexuality is fluid.

I'm not virtue signalling I just take issue with people being willfully ignorant.
And it is ignorant of you to assume that @SkippyDoo is ‘someone in the queer community.’ She is a lesbian which means she is same-sex attracted, not part of the TQIA+ idealogues. Stop false teaming LGB people with people who believe you can ‘identify’ in and out of social constructs and sexualities. Sexual orientation is not something you ‘identify’ as.
 
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MaineCoonMama

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Oh if you're genuinely curious I'm happy to answer. Love Mae Martin and searched for them on here to see if they had a thread. Unfortunately it took me to your ignorant post.

You're a lesbian? Even more baffling to me that someone in the queer community can't comprehend the concept of identifying as non-binary. Mae never identified as lesbian as far as I know but even if they did, sexuality is fluid.

You're concerned with lesbian visibility? Imagine how non-binary people feel.

Must be restrictive and miserable living such a black and white, unforgiving existence.

I'm not virtue signalling I just take issue with people being willfully ignorant.
Going by your previous posts about another woman's body shape and mental health I don't think this is the right thread for you.
We discuss issues concerning women and how our spaces, athletic wins and language in reference to our bodies is being erased amongst other important subjects that affect us all as women.

If someone using the wrong pronoun is going to upset you so much there's a button which allows you to block a whole thread.
 
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klarakluckbag

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I don't think that denying science and basic biology should be considered a "difference of opinion". It's scientific fact that taking hormones and cutting off your breasts or genitals, doesn't change your sex. Trying to gaslight women into believing that "transwomen are women", doesn't change facts...women are adult human females only, and it's not "being kind" to insist otherwise. The bearded author who thinks she is a man who has given birth, is still a woman because only female humans give birth, her beard and boys clothing can't change that.
CS looks and sounds like a man, because that's what he is. He also runs like a man, which is why he wins all of the womens races. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...I'm completely bloody sick of watching CS, or the 6ft tall TiM in Big Brother, or Eddie bloody Izzard, and being told that these people are women. They're men, all of them...that isn't a "difference of opinion", it's actual, scientific fact. Stop trying to tell us otherwise! 😡
 
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terfette

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Genuinely curious as to why you're purposefully misgendering Mae? Their pronouns are they/them. It's basic respect.

You say that they: "occupies cultural space / space in the perception of others as a lesbian without being one (which annoys me)". Firstly, their sexuality has nothing to do with you. Secondly, Mae has no control over how others perceived them, nor should they care. Maybe get annoyed about things that actually concern you?
She's a woman and nobody is obligated to alter their perfectly correct use of the terminology we use to refer to women.
 
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VeniVidiVicki

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I have long been a fan of athletics. My dad was a middle distance runner and as a family we watched athletics meets - not just the Olympics but commonwealth games and national championships.

I vividly remember Lynsey Sharp’s medal hopes going into Rio. It’s so exciting watching British athletes doing well on the world stage. She was a real contender - a long string of successes and records to her name. In the 800m women’s race, I watched her, Melissa Bishop and Joanna Jozwik be easily beaten by three men all of whom have 5-ARD and all of whom are now banned by World Athletics from competing in women’s races. Lynsey was absolutely vilified in the media for being upset at missing out on a medal and for not congratulating Semenya.

Semenya, despite the ruling that he is male and that the only difference between him and other men is that his genitals didn’t develop correctly, still holds the women’s record for 4th fastest time in the 800m.

So no, I don’t have much sympathy for him. My sympathy is with the women and girls who have lost out on medals and opportunities right the way through his career.
 
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ozblackcat

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Ok a rant incoming. Last night I got my period (you know, like women do…) & the first night is always rough. You don’t need details but iykyk. Anyway, this morning when I was getting ready for the day, I thought about how there will be some fucking idiots in this world, tucking their cock & balls into their frilly snag “bend my dick backwards” pants and slipping on a pantyliner and claiming to have had an experience just like mine. And honestly it made me rage for so long I wanted to punch something
 
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Ekathrina

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I’m in a parent group with a load of other mums from my sons old special school. One of the mums I’m friends with has a daughter who has just moved over to the SEN part of a nearby college. Today she handed her mum this letter. She has severe learning difficulties and a chromosome condition, has no concept of gender and has obviously been coached into writing and printing it as she lacks the capacity to do it independently.
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judgejohndeed

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It's honestly abysmal that people are more concerned with making a young teenager a trans martyr so that they can finally say someone has died from transphobic attacks in this country, than they are about the fact some other teenagers are so deeply disturbed to have not only made a list of peers to kill, but actually carried out the attack.
 
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exhausted_mother

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Even the phrase ‘gender nonconforming’ baffles me. Who the fuck decided there are rules? This is actually what angers me, the argument trans people make is WE are reducing people down to stereotypes or genitalia when the whole community is predicated on the idea that if you as a boy don’t love trucks football & climbing trees and prefer crafting or reading or dress up or whatever then you must be a girl. And if you’re a girl who hates those things but wants to play football and get covered in mud, and hate dresses? BOY!

It’s insanity. If we stopped forcing stereotypes on small kids it’d be a strong start!
 
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Mismatched Pegs

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I wonder how many TWAW hetero men would shag a TIM?
Zero. They all know wtf a woman us when they want a shag.
That's what made my husband come round to reality. An old friend of his - who had previously been a cross dresser - decided he'd always been a woman and was now transitioning**

We got into a full on shouting argument about my terfiness and I was very upset with him for preferring to side with a bloke who dressed up for kicks over his wife of 20 years who was telling him how detrimental to the rights of women gender ideology is. Eventually we got to
"Would you have sex with ***"
"No"
"Why not?"
"Well for loads of reasons"
"Like?"
"Well just loads"
"Main one being...?"
<<shamefacedly>> "Because he's a bloke"
Fucking bingo! He's full on TERF now

**At some point I may go further into this and tell the whole long story, but now isn't the time
 
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Non-binary is simply nonsense. Ultimately, people are either male or female and a small percentage are intersex, which is not the same thing.
 
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Venom

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on this trans day of remembrance, I'd like the remember that there are in fact only 2 genders 🥰
 
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Notworthy

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I hate to police the thread but could we please have less of the 'top surgery' and more double mastectomy. After all that is what it is. Let's not wishy washy that reality away
 
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'Endometriosis doesn't just affect women'.

Except it does. It is where the lining of the womb goes 'rogue' and grows in other areas and causes pain, fertility problems etc. Women, and only women, have wombs. Not trans women (men) but women and trans men who are not actually men but women. Women only. the end.
 
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glubby

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I don’t know how to properly phrase it but these parents getting all excited about having a very young ‘trans’ child puts me in mind of munchausens by proxy. They get to show off what a ‘warrior’ they are, get praised for being so accepting and progressive, and sympathy too because “it must be so hard you’re such an amazing parent”. I don’t think most of them set out to lie about it (although I’m sure that happens too) but they take a few examples of their child being ‘gender non conforming’ get all excited and turn their lives upside down over it. it must make it really hard down the line for the child to then turn around and say “actually that was just a phase” because your parents have invested so much in you being trans or non binary and you don’t want to disappoint them. My brother used to sometimes pretend to be a girl when he was very young, he liked pink and wore glittery jelly sandals and had a girl name but it was just make believe because he was a little child and he looked up to me as his big sister and wanted to copy me! I imagine some parents now would see that behavior and immediately put out a social media post announcing their trans daughter‘s new pronouns 🙄
 
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Funny_bunny

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There’s something really, really uncomfortable about this to me. A child should be a child, not portrayed for their sexuality. Puberty is confusing enough for so many but we’re talking about a pre pubescent child, and sorry if this is old fashioned, but children should allowed to be children ESPECIALLY by their parents, not used for some virtue signalling display of how “woke” and open minded they are. A child isn’t looking to date. A child isn’t looking for a sexual parter. Why does a child need a T shirt declaring that the are not straight. A parent choosing that for a child is just creepy as hell.
 
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