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I have no issues with a man being appointed a CEO of a company. At the end of the day a business is a business. However I think it is ridiculous when a man who likes to play dress up becomes CEO and then becomes the face of the company.
 
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I have no issues with a man being appointed a CEO of a company. At the end of the day a business is a business. However I think it is ridiculous when a man who likes to play dress up becomes CEO and then becomes the face of the company.
But it’s not just “a company” it’s a charity for women suffering from one of the most debilitating gynaecological conditions that he has no knowledge or experience of because he is a man.
 
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But it’s not just “a company” it’s a charity for women suffering from one of the most debilitating gynaecological conditions that he has no knowledge or experience of because he is a man.
Charitys are still run as a business. If a man and a woman interview and the best person to run that charity is a man then he should be given the job.
Would you rather a charity appoint a woman, who may be crap at the job and run the charity into the ground, just because she’s a woman.
I don’t have endo, would it be ok for me to be the CEO as I’m a woman?
 
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Charitys are still run as a business. If a man and a woman interview and the best person to run that charity is a man then he should be given the job.
Would you rather a charity appoint a woman, who may be crap at the job and run the charity into the ground, just because she’s a woman.
I don’t have endo, would it be ok for me to be the CEO as I’m a woman?
I said that he has no knowledge or experience of endo - my view is that the CEO of a charity for endo, particularly a small one like this focused on a specific area of the UK, should have lived experience of it to provide the best advocacy and support to all women who will need to access services via this charity.
 
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I said that he has no knowledge or experience of endo - my view is that the CEO of a charity for endo, particularly a small one like this focused on a specific area of the UK, should have lived experience of it to provide the best advocacy and support to all women who will need to access services via this charity.
And my view is that the best CEO should be appointed to run a business or charity to ensure that it is well run. To only appoint a woman would be sex based discrimination which are women we are well aware is the wrong thing to do.
As I stated in my first post, I do not agree with a man in a dress becoming the face of a womens charity or business. A man in a dress should not be mansplaining about what it feels like to have endo or period poverty or lack of help from GPs or whatever.
 
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I wouldn't have a major issue with a male CEO if he had a proven track record etc and no appointable women went for the post. I'd rather the position went to a woman even if her career history wasn't quite as impressive, because women may not have had the same career opportunities as men due to caring responsibilities, time away from work for maternity leave, etc. I don't know who this guy Steph is, aside from his misogynistic attitudes towards women, which immediately makes him an unsuitable candidate for the role irrespective of whatever qualifications or experience he may have.

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What kind of people would that be, then?

"The vast majority of writing on endo overlooks the fact that endo is not a condition that only effects[sic] women." I mean - what????!
 
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And my view is that the best CEO should be appointed to run a business or charity to ensure that it is well run. To only appoint a woman would be sex based discrimination which are women we are well aware is the wrong thing to do.
As I stated in my first post, I do not agree with a man in a dress becoming the face of a womens charity or business. A man in a dress should not be mansplaining about what it feels like to have endo or period poverty or lack of help from GPs or whatever.


But they haven't appointed a man. They have appointed a man dressed up as a woman and insisting we call him Steph. Steph has form for tweeting about 'killing terfs' and how he wants access to women's spaces and nothing will stop him. It's a complete slap in the face for actual women who suffer with this terrible condition.
 
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I was speaking in general about appointing men as CEO's, not just the endo charity. Note I did not quote the initial post about the endo charity.
The man appointed to the endo charity is obviously a vile specimen.
 
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I was speaking in general about appointing men as CEO's, not just the endo charity. Note I did not quote the initial post about the endo charity.
The man appointed to the endo charity is obviously a vile specimen.
I get that and I agree on those points
It depends on the business/charity. Of course usually fair and open competition should apply. But for me with cases of specialist charities esp for women’s health it should be a female CEO with lived experience
He is viiiiile
 
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But they haven't appointed a man. They have appointed a man dressed up as a woman and insisting we call him Steph. Steph has form for tweeting about 'killing terfs' and how he wants access to women's spaces and nothing will stop him. It's a complete slap in the face for actual women who suffer with this terrible condition.
I agree that appointments should be based on suitability for the job rather than sex, so if he was a good CEO with a great track record, fair enough.

I do agree with you though that this person should not have been appointed based on the fact that he has made tweets about 'killing TERFS' which is not what you would expect to hear from someone in such a position and points to him being dangerously mentally unhinged.

It means that gender critical women will fall foul of ideology and will not be treated fairly if their views are known. That is what should have made this b ineligible for the role.
 
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Charitys are still run as a business. If a man and a woman interview and the best person to run that charity is a man then he should be given the job.
Would you rather a charity appoint a woman, who may be crap at the job and run the charity into the ground, just because she’s a woman.
I don’t have endo, would it be ok for me to be the CEO as I’m a woman?
Bear in mind that this isn’t a national charity but a small local one, so I’d expect them to place much less emphasis on having a business minded CEO and concentrate on appointing someone who is hands-on and offering plenty of lived experience.

“Steph” is all over Twitter being a poisonous mansplaining creep. He shouldn’t be within fifty miles of the women he’s been employed to help.
 
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But it’s not just “a company” it’s a charity for women suffering from one of the most debilitating gynaecological conditions that he has no knowledge or experience of because he is a man.
It's seems to be a front for trans rights -

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I follow my local court reporter on Twitter and, scanning the cases, it's one after another 'man jailed for killing his mother, 'man leaves his girlfriend for dead after beating in the street', 'man jailed for sex abuse' it goes on and on.

Well over 95% of sexual and violent crime is committed by men - why is that barely discussed openly as a deeply entrenched societal problem? just always something that's accepted.
 
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I think the point is that the appointment of ‘Steph’ in this role is highly strategical and political. Of course there were women who were more suited. Even I, having never had endo but know what a blight periods are and have experienced excruciating cramps in my life, would be better suited to the role. Thats not taking anything away from those women with endo (biggest of hugs to you as it sounds bloody horrendous). The person behind this charity is on a trans mission, clearly. The hatred for biological women is very apparent. It’s just really sad to me that this is where we’re at these days. Men who threaten women can not only do no wrong and get away with it, but they can do tit like this to really rub salt in the wounds. He is loving every second of this. He lives to piss terfs off and he’s really pulled it off this time!
 
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Steph has, in the past, targeted Milli Hill and offered to “share his knowledge” and “improve her books” (on pregnancy, childbirth and periods)

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Milli has posted the receipts

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The sign off “I know you live in Somerset. Think about it” is so bleeping sinister.
 
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It's seems to be a front for trans rights -

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Why are these extremists handed on a silver platter positions of power OVER WOMEN! think I've just answered my own question 😡 anyone with such extreme views shouldn't be allowed anything apart from a lifetime of therapy.
Those who 'hijack' legitimate charities and companies too as otherwise they'd rightly be told to duck off. Sneaks.
 
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I would just love to hear the justification from all these celeb trans supporters over things like this. Surely they must find these TRAs as vile as we do? In saying that you do get women who willingly call Eddie Izzard she/her 😬 (I have a friend I hate to say who does this). Seemingly sane women, going along with insane tit.
 
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'Endometriosis doesn't just affect women'.

Except it does. It is where the lining of the womb goes 'rogue' and grows in other areas and causes pain, fertility problems etc. Women, and only women, have wombs. Not trans women (men) but women and trans men who are not actually men but women. Women only. the end.
 
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Thanks @MaineCoonMama . I’ve never been diagnosed because I do not want investigative surgeries but I have had so many awful long-term symptoms since being a teenager that point to Endo including rectal bleeding and kidney pain associated with menstruating. I reckon I have some adhesions too.
There are a couple of adhesions groups on FB, you might want to look into that. Also, low fibre diet and fizzy drinks help with the pain and nausea. I don't have endo, but major league adhesions due to abdominal surgery.
Sorry this is off topic mods, please delete if not allowed.
 
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It is one thing for a man to be head of a female health charity. That is possibly a reasonable decision if he is very experienced and well-qualified in the field. For example, a retired male surgeon in the area or gynaecologist well-familiar with the medical issues and the impact of women struggling to be diagnosed and get treated, would be a suitably-qualified appointee.

It might be that he, and the women whose interests he might be appointed to serve, consider that a woman, particularly one with a history of endometriosis, might be more suitable overall, of course.

In this case, the appointment is not of a quite qualified male. It is the appointment of a transactivist who is male, not medically qualified, has no direct experience of endometriosis (sorry, was covered by “male”…), and the mind boggles as to the motivations involved.

Given the provenance of the charity, it’s quite possibly simple blatant trolling, but the concern would be as to whether this thing is actually claiming to be a source of support or help for women with a life-impacting health condition.

TL;DR: he’s taking the piss or maybe worse, and maybe the charity (if it is one of those) is too
 
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