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Contentious I know and it’s not a decision I would personally make, but I do believe a woman should always retain autonomy over her own body. I don‘t think women should be forced to give birth.
I agree with you. In no other situation in life are you required to put yourself at risk to save someone else. It’s just about control over women’s bodies.
 
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I watch a lot of YouTube videos about style and fashion and keep getting recommended a channel where a TIM gives commentary on old makeover shows like What Not to Wear, America's Next Top Model etc and talks about how "misogynistic" they are. You've never experienced misogyny a day in your life, pal; so button it!

She had to give birth anyway, except she was giving birth to a baby she knowingly killed?
I wonder about that. She evidently knew she could go to jail for this (reportedly she made Google searches to that effect) so it doesn't make sense to go a route that would involve a hospital birth and evidence on record. But we don't always make rational decisions when we're desperate
 
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As seen on my FB ads- who would want these monstrosities on their feet? And I would consider myself bi if I had to label it! I don’t know if anyone else is having the same problem but now when I click on things to ‘never show me again’ it just says ‘oops!’ and won’t let me? Doing it on purpose during Pride maybe 😱😳
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In regards to the home abortion pills, were there policies in place to ensure that the pills were taken whilst supervised? What would be to stop someone getting pills and then not taking them until a later date, or even changing their mind and passing the pills onto someone else?

This is genuinely terrifying to think that this could happen. Though I suppose it’s not impossible to get hold of the drugs one way or another if you are desperate
 
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Pretty sickening to me the lengths people will go to in order to defend the indefensible

I don’t give women a free pass to do whatever they want and get away with it, that’s my position each to their own
 
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In regards to the home abortion pills, were there policies in place to ensure that the pills were taken whilst supervised? What would be to stop someone getting pills and then not taking them until a later date, or even changing their mind and passing the pills onto someone else?

This is genuinely terrifying to think that this could happen. Though I suppose it’s not impossible to get hold of the drugs one way or another if you are desperate
You used to have to take them in the presence of a nurse but I think during COVID the policy was changed and they were just sent out.
 
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You used to have to take them in the presence of a nurse but I think during COVID the policy was changed and they were just sent out.
This is true. I lived with a girl who had an abortion during covid and she was incredibly unsupported. They sent her pills out on next day delivery and left her to get on with it.
 
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This is true. I lived with a girl who had an abortion during covid and she was incredibly unsupported. They sent her pills out on next day delivery and left her to get on with it.
There is going to be a massive scandal in years to come when the full impact of decisions taken during covid is known. Unsurprisingly, women and children suffered most, especially pregnant women.
 
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Pretty sickening to me the lengths people will go to in order to defend the indefensible

I don’t give women a free pass to do whatever they want and get away with it, that’s my position each to their own
You have well and truly made your point. I don’t see why it means so much to you what women do with their own bodies, it has literally no effect on you. You can’t even for a second contemplate what that woman was going through or how desperate she must have been. It says a lot about you.
 
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Trying to order a home testing kit and have to be smacked in the face with it all. I know they want to be inclusive but bleeping hell, can we not even have ‘man/woman’ as a choice? I’m not A FEMALE. I AM FEMALE. There’s a difference. How come trans ‘woman’ is listed but not an actual woman? We have to be females? They get the word woman? Arghhh.
 
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I thought non binary meant they didn't see themselves as male or female yet is quite clearly dressed as female and acting in female roles?
I have seen a lot of gloating on social media today because they beat Lea Michele for the award. I can see why (she allegedly used racist abuse towards a Black castmate on Glee - not Alex Newell) but a lot of the commentary carries not so subtle undertones of "this person is non-binary so deserves the award more than a woman" and/or "Lea Michele is racist so she must also be a TERF because any woman we don't like is a TERF"
 
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Trying to order a home testing kit and have to be smacked in the face with it all. I know they want to be inclusive but bleeping hell, can we not even have ‘man/woman’ as a choice? I’m not A FEMALE. I AM FEMALE. There’s a difference. How come trans ‘woman’ is listed but not an actual woman? We have to be females? They get the word woman? Arghhh.
Yes they get the word woman and we get the horrendous "cis" shoved at us. How I loathe that word.
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I have seen a lot of gloating on social media today because they beat Lea Michele for the award. I can see why (she allegedly used racist abuse towards a Black castmate on Glee - not Alex Newell) but a lot of the commentary carries not so subtle undertones of "this person is non-binary so deserves the award more than a woman" and/or "Lea Michele is racist so she must also be a TERF because any woman we don't like is a TERF"
I am really fed up of seeing this crap everywhere, how has it all come to this?
 
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I have seen a lot of gloating on social media today because they beat Lea Michele for the award. I can see why (she allegedly used racist abuse towards a Black castmate on Glee - not Alex Newell) but a lot of the commentary carries not so subtle undertones of "this person is non-binary so deserves the award more than a woman" and/or "Lea Michele is racist so she must also be a TERF because any woman we don't like is a TERF"
I think what made me scoff was the headlines claiming they are a groundbreaking person, first to win in that category… but they are still a man dressed like a stereotypical actress (hollywood glam frock, hair, makeup etc). They have literally done nothing different in terms of acting to a man or a woman, so i don’t understand the applause just because he is non binary. It’s pathetic. Award shows are fast becoming meaningless.
 
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I think what made me scoff was the headlines claiming they are a groundbreaking person, first to win in that category… but they are still a man dressed like a stereotypical actress (hollywood glam frock, hair, makeup etc). They have literally done nothing different in terms of acting to a man or a woman, so i don’t understand the applause just because he is non binary. It’s pathetic. Award shows are fast becoming meaningless.
I honestly think in some cases (not all) it's just another form of attention seeking, I really do.
 
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I think what made me scoff was the headlines claiming they are a groundbreaking person, first to win in that category… but they are still a man dressed like a stereotypical actress (hollywood glam frock, hair, makeup etc). They have literally done nothing different in terms of acting to a man or a woman, so i don’t understand the applause just because he is non binary. It’s pathetic. Award shows are fast becoming meaningless.
It really bothers me that so many TV and theatrical awards now include trans/non-binary people in the women's awards while the men's category is just for men
 
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I don’t know if anyone is following the EA debate. Kirsty Blackman is a bleeping lunatic.

Erm, so Kirsty Blackman assumes that her chromosomes are XY....? Should someone who doesn't know basic biology really have a say in any parliamentary matters, let alone those relating to sex and gender?
 
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What's that I hear in the distance? Is it Kirsty chipping in with "BASIC BIOLOGY DICTATES SEX IS A SPECTRUM!" with links to someone on TikTok?
 
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Didn't Matt Lucas satirise this on Little Britain with his only gay in the village sketch? Then Sacha Baron Cohen with Bruno? And the joke was that only close minded people would think gays actually dress like this?

At this point they're just taking the piss out of homosexuals and it's got to be offensive. I think that the gay community really need to start getting a lot more vocal about this agenda, because when straight people do, we are bigots. Hyperinclusivity is a ridiculous idea and it's going to turn ordinary people against ordinary gays if this continues.

I don't support pride because it's just a hallmark holiday for corporations but when I see that transgender flag edging it's way in everywhere it turns me against the cause entirely.

And WHAT is their obsession with children?
I'm just quoting myself here to correct "ordinary people" to "ordinary heterosexual people".
We've discussed this a bit on the LGB thread and quite a few gay people are vocal about not liking the fetish part of Pride. As I said then, it's important to note that not all Pride events are like that, but of course the tabloid media aren't interested in those!

Also, regarding the bit in bold, I don't think that would happen in reality. After all, if someone genuinely has no problem with "ordinary gays" why would they change their minds based on something they see in their newspaper? I'm an "ordinary gay" -- in that I live a fairly ordinary existence, work full time, pay my taxes, have never gone to a Pride parade half naked, etc etc -- and I can't fathom that, say, my next door neighbour would say: "You know what, Ensay, I had no problem with you living with a man until recently, but I've seen this Pride thing and now I don't think you deserve equal rights".

I appreciate that's a more exaggerated example, but I don't see how if someone genuinely has no problem with gay people in their lives that they'd change their mind about people they know, based on what they see on TV or in their newspaper. And if they change their mind about something as fundamental as equal rights so easily, I'd venture that perhaps they weren't that much in favour to begin with?
Yes that's a good point. But I also think that LGB people need to know they can be LGB and not support the current trans agenda. There is so much pressure for everyone to kowtow to it so if you're fully in that community it has to be hard to speak out.

Also I just want to apologise for putting "ordinary people" and not "ordinary heterosexual people". Genuine mistake, no malice or homophobia intended.
 
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