Gender Discussion #46

[PastryPolly]

"Emily" says he can't make plans for the future has he "doesn't know if he will be allowed to live that long".
Oh please piss off "Emily", no one is calling for your death you silly man, we are saying you should compete with other men instead of stealing womens places and making them compete against you.
I'm GLAD he is annoyed, its about time he and his ilk got a good hard shove back into their own lane. Their time is UP!

 

[Vanelope]

From other thread - we’ve won cycling

British cycling will have a women’s and an open categoryBritish Cycling to ban transgender women from competing in elite female category https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/65718748

 

[NeverEnough]

I see a lot of this Billy Bragg‘s posts posted here and elsewhere, I have no idea who he is, I figure he is some kind of has-been once vague celeb. That is one of the most disgusting posts of his I have ever seen, he’s lucky he seemingly has no career other than Twitter to be in limbo over for those remarks

Ah yes. Billy Bragg. 65 year old white male, noted for jumping on any leftist bandwagon which happens to be passing at the time. First came to prominence in the early 1980s during the miners strike when he graciously visited us in the North East to mumble some songs and strum on a guitar to express his “solidarity”. Bragg himself was from Barking, Essex, probably over 100 miles from any mining areas. Anyhow he was polite enough not to comment on the huge piles of unsold coal that were visible on the collieries, or the fucking horrible smell that permeated from those places (and my god did they stink). Then went back to Essex to write another song about the experience. You go comrade!

Billy Bragg in short, is an absolute twat.

 

[DanaScully]

I'm sick and tired of these (mostly) white men pretending to be not just women but lesbians to boot, and trying to convince everyone that thay are this marginalised and vulnerable group. It seems to very much be part of the fetish.

This is the end result of the "Oppression Olympics" that's been carrying on for the last few years, everyone fighting to be more oppressed and therefore more special than everyone else

Agree completely! I'm a lesbian and I find it so offensive that a load of blokes think they can call themselves lesbians and we're all just supposed to go along with it and agree to jump into bed with them.

They can call me a bigot, fascist, nazi or genital fetishist all they want. I'll never go anywhere near their dicks or their surgically created inverted dick wounds (can't tell the difference my arse!)

The fact lesbians are being banned from "lesbian" dating apps for stating they are same-sex attracted says it all! Meanwhile it's fine for the blokes in wigs to request "cis females only" or "no men"!

I used to be really active in LGBT groups but I've distanced myself entirely as they might as well just be T groups now. Not only do the Ts take over entirely and make everything about them, but many of the LGBs are complete handmaidens regurgitating the same old bollocks about J.K. Rowling wanting to "erase trans people", "TWAW", "protect trans kids lives" and so on. What a load of guff!

 

[Phil Anne Throw Pee]

It's literal GENOCIDE y'all. Folx are trying to stop Ian from Wigan wearing a thong and lippie and pretending to have periods. Why can't Dave lactate and go for a cervical smear because he fancies it? Why shouldn't Steve put on a padded bra and tuck in his weiner and ride his bike like a lady? Like, literal ERASURE OF A SPECIES

 

[Piff paff puff]

Any male that has won first place in women's sports needs to give up their medal and 1st place status and money and all female competitors need to be compensated and sack every person on the board that thought it was ok to include men.Then it will be fair. Only since there was a backlash, the sports bodies have taken notice. They would still be including men if the trans trend wasn't on the down turn.

 

[Vanelope]

They are taking women’s spaces from women and gay spaces from gay people. This is the most narcissistic and selfish group of tantruming teenagers to gain financial and social power. Makes my tin hat itch.

 

[klarakluckbag]

Oh dear. Emily's tantrum statement is a perfect bingo card full house of trans angst. "Literal violence" (not being allowed to ride his bike in girls' races) 'Genocide" (everyone knows he's a bloke and that's why he's not allowed to ride his bike in the girls' races) "Facist state" (Terf Island!) and our old favourite..."Nazis" (i.e. those who don't think that blokes should be allowed to ride their bikes in girls' races)

It's a good day for women's sport, that's for sure. And it's made Emily cross, which serves him right for being a bloody cheat.

 

[terfette]

What do you mean Santa's not real?


'Haha, I'm wearing a dress, now I can go in the ladies'...... ummmmm, no dude, your cock is officially blocked.
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This is hard reading.

The transwidow thread on mumsnet was the first time I found other women in my position. A few months before I left him. I started reading the comments there. And it’s one of the things that kept me alive, and I’m not even being dramatic. That, and my best friend.

It’s like they are all reading from the same script. Mine made me have sex with randoms on the internet too, for money. He wanted to be me. At one point I didn’t think I was a human anymore. I left after a year of it (he started it about 18 months or so into the relationship as soon as I moved in with him, which happened because he coerced me into spending money I’d saved for my own place so I had no other choice). And I’ve never been the same since. I already had identity and body dysmorphia issues. I’ve had an eating disorder for years. I feel like I split myself into two people. And it all happened to one and not the other. And then I killed that person, the person all those bad things happened to, and a lot of my memory died with it. And in my head, the one that died is buried in the back garden, and I live in constant fear of someone finding the body. When I try to be just *me* I feel like I’ve been playing with a dead body. Like I’m animating a corpse. Because all of the things about my personality that he stole died with the person that died inside me aswell. I’ve never really felt like I know who I am since.

I probably sound completely insane.

 

[Phil Anne Throw Pee]

People are slowly waking up and peaking people, this is encouraging. Sorry, apologies for using the word 'people'; should be 'individual persons who may have either a penis or a vagina, but they can identify as any gender they wish, including male, female, intersex, shemale, hemale, non binary free fluid pansexual person with or without a cervix, depending on whether it's bin day'.

 

[emzi2784]

Happy I found this thread!! I’m currently tying myself up in knots over what to do about my 9 year old daughter being given a survey at school which included the question “Do you feels trans people are supported in our school”. She said she didn’t know what to say as she doesn’t know any in her school, of course she doesn’t, she’s 9 ffs. The teacher who handed it out is openly gay (he announced this in assembly last year to the whole school) and judging by his Twitter which I found a few days ago is a massive activist for LGBT rights. I’ve emailed the school and requested a copy of this survey as they’ve not mentioned anything to the parents about any of this. I just don’t know how to handle this as obviously I don’t care what this teacher does in his private life but I don’t feel comfortable with my child being asked questions about trans people when she barely knows what it even means!! Sorry just needed a rant haha

 

[Tired of this crap]

Just overheard some mums discussing this at the park, all very pleased about it!!! More of us than we realise

 

[cowtastrophe]

I always find it interesting that objecting to a man in a dress expecting to displace women is referred to as ‘literal violence’. It’s as though they’ve never heard the word hyperbole.

 

[bananabutter]

I wonder how Nicolas Sturgeon feels now about men in women’s prisons following her current predicament

 

[exhausted_mother]

https://news.sky.com/story/transgen...ng-events-by-national-governing-body-12889818

“Asked if the new policy was discriminatory…”

Of course the discrimination that was women facing not being able to compete against average middle-aged males has taken a back seat until now.

This thinking (isn’t this mean to a certain subset of males??) really highlights the problem with law changes and societal pressure that X (which is not Y) literally IS Y. That has to be unwound.
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This is a “violent act”, Emily has friends “getting hate crimed all the time”, and British Cycling are “furthering genocide.”

All because a male has been told to compete in sports events with other males rather than obliterating female sport.

Emily anticipates “cherry-picking” but of course taken separately or together, the statements made are absurd hyperbole if not out-and-out nonsense. Such posts must be challenged politely but firmly, and the insane claims of “violence” or “genocide” from males being told NO, in particular must be pushed back on.

Literal violence give me strength. Anyone can still compete, but biological males will race other biological males. The fact that it’s taken this long to get to this point is insanity

 

[bunnys]

The difference between LGB versus Trans activists is crazy.

LGB activists campaign for decriminalising gay relationships, legalising same-sex marriage, preventing homophobic bullying and hate crimes, and the right for a same-sex couple to raise a child. LGB activists, at least in my knowledge and experience, have always supported studies that critically assess whether children do well when raised by two same-sex parents compared to opposite-sex parents (overall, they do). LGB activists are often the first to decry grooming within the community, and quick to devow predators and p3dos. Usually, all that LGB activists expect young children to be told is that some children have two mummies, and some have two daddies, just like other children are raised by single mothers, grandparents, and so on. The goal has always remained the same: for LGB people to be treated equally and to be safe from discrimination. I also find that the LGB community usually shrug off homophobes and don't give them the time of day. Because it doesn't matter if someone says they aren't gay. That doesn't change anything.

Trans activists, however, campaign for men to be allowed in women's spaces (bathrooms, sport, prisons, nursing homes...) on the basis of an inner feeling. They promote minors transitioning, with some gender therapists taking in clients as young as 2 or 3 years old. (Jazz Jennings was diagnosed with gender dysphoria at age 3.) They campaign for trans surgeries on the NHS. They campaign for children to discuss their own gender identity in schools (the GenderBread person, kids' books on being trans...). They campaign for minors to receive hormones in school without their parents' knowledge or consent. Unlike LGB activists, I've noticed an unsavoury desire to sweep anything negative about trans people under the rug. Anything that is contradictory to their message (like the fact that after "bottom surgery", the likelihood of suicide increases; or the fact that hormone blockers do cause infertility, according to WPATH; or detransitioner testimonies) is swept under the rug. Predators and p3dos are protected (Eli Erlick anyone?) or just not talked about because of "optics". They don't want research, unless it shows that 100% of the time, everything is fine and dandy. And unlike LGB activists, trans activists are obsessive about any negative perspective on trans people. If someone calls a gay guy straight, he shrugs it off because it doesn't change anything. If someone called a trans identified man a man, he can't shrug it off, because the whole point is that everyone has to go along with it. Though they talk about an inner identity, their entire "manhood"/"womanhood" is very fragile and very precarious. I don't care if someone calls me he, because I'm not one. But for a trans identified man? That's his worst nightmare, because it reveals a truth: he can't change his sex. This is who he is.

And here's the one most insidiuous thing I've noticed. "It gets better" is a very prominent phrase in the LGB community. "Don't worry. Things will get better. The world is becoming more accepting, there's a time where you'll feel safe to come out, and soon you'll live a happy life with your partner." This is what they tell young or newly out members of the community.

None of this rhetoric in the trans community. Trans activists are so fear-mongering - instead of promoting the idea that it gets better, it promotes the idea of a current trans genocide. "Right-wing voters hate you. TERFs want you dead. J.K. Rowling has blood on her hands. You are an incredibly vulnerable individual, and people like you get hate crimed, and the world isn't safe for us. The world hates you. Only we will accept you." That's what trans activists tell just about everyone.

I just think it's crazy. LGB activism has always been straightforward, with one overall goal in mind. But what is the end goal of trans activism? Does one even exist? Because the goalposts keep shifting.

 

[Metropolis]

Can I have a rant please? Today I went to the Autism Show with my son. They have loads of information stands pertaining to education, law sensory needs etc. There are also lots of different speakers who give advice and insight into different experiences of autism. Anyway one of the speeches was on ‘being autistic and transgender’.

One of the people involved in this section was a male in his 30s, wearing a pink headband with bows on each side. He was wearing like a knitted string t shirt with a visible bra underneath, pink trousers and was walking around with a teddy bear under his arm. This was a person happily engaging with impressionable young people, strutting around the place. He was redolent of those men on YouTube you see identifying as little girls. My heckles went up.

Transgender people talk of not feeling safe; well, I can tell you, I was actually scared of going to the toilets (in a different, quieter part of the building) in case I encountered this individual there. I said as much to my son and he said he could see why.

Anyway, when I got home, I regaled this tale to another of my sons and he told me when he was on the way home from school yesterday (public transport), a bloke got on, (again sporting a hair band marketed at little girls) wearing a bra over the top of a shirt. There wasn’t much room on the bus and he kept beckoning over the year 7s, saying there was space next to him. My son (6th from) said everyone was saying wtf and was feeling uncomfortable. These AGPs are walking brazenly amongst us and are enjoying the buzz.

 

[veevee04]

This might have been mentioned before but I'm currently in the middle of reading the book Invisible Women By Caroline Criado Perez which is about the data gap that exists between men and women and why this is so dangerous. She does a lot of analysis about how some drugs affect men and women differently, are metabolised differently and how some diseases like a heart attack have a different presentation based on if you are a man or a woman. This data is already being largely ignored as it is but if we literally erase the biological differences between men and women from science then women are going to continue to needlessly die because no one is doing the research to look at specific sex differences.

I wrote a thesis about a womens only medical issue. I had to avoid the use of the word women because my university is woke as shit. Medicine can never be overtaken by this bizarre ideology its science that biological sex is irrefutable and forms a massive part in physiology.

Why should we be expected to pander to peoples delusions? I had to order mefenamic acid for period pain and the pharmacist asks on the form this is for biological females only confirm you are biological female. Ffs transwomen must have been buying specific pain relief drugs when they don't have a uterus. It's pure delusion and dangerous to them.
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This is the kind of delusions we are supposed to tolerate. No you take a fixed dose of hormones daily , you don't have a uterus or a cycle where hormones fluctuate.
It's actually really offensive i wish I could give one of them my adnemyosis uterus so they can feel the pain. It's sick.

 

[ThisIsMyGuiltyPleasure]

Wtf I thought the whole point of gender dysphoria is they feel repulsed by their biological genitalia. This supposed transman let her partner penetrate her vagina. She obviously isn't disgusted by her womanly bits. I'm starting to think a lot of trans people are narcissistic attention seekers , saying I'm gay or bi isn't edgy anymore. To be the most edgy you have to pump yourself full of hormones and mutilate yourself.
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Can I ask why all transwomen seem to dress like crack addicted prostitutes, most of them don't wear normal clothing..

What I just don't understand is why a woman who thinks she should be a man, wants to live as a man and is repulsed by her female body would go ahead and do the one thing that only women can do...get pregnant and give birth? Why not be responsible and use contraception? If she had actually been born male there is no way this would happen. It's like they cherry pick the bits that take their fancy and it's offensive to women.

 

[Ruby’s mum]

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Can I ask why all transwomen seem to dress like crack addicted prostitutes, most of them don't wear normal clothing..

A few years ago most of them would have been good old fashioned transvestites, dressing up in their wives’ clothes, having a crafty wank in the bathroom while she was away doing the shopping. Thanks to self ID they can now parade their kinks and fetishes around in broad daylight for everyone to see and have the added bonus of handmaidens telling them how stunning and brave they are. The more accepted it becomes the more outrageous their versions of woman face becomes.