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As it’s International Women’s Day, who are some of your favourite female authors/books you love by women? My favourite authors include Jacqueline Wilson, Cathy Cassidy, Holly Bourne, Shirley Jackson, Diana Wynne Jones, and J.K. Rowling. My favourite book is We Have Always Lived In The Castle by Shirley Jackson 🤓
Older Tattlers will remember https://www.virago.co.uk - and https://persephonebooks.co.uk publish out-of-print female authors (I think they have a shop in Bath)
 
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Kathleen Stock is going to be on Woman's Hour this morning talking about teaming up with Julie Bindel to form a group to protect lesbians.
 
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Let’s hope that showing what life is like for girls across the world shows the true inequalities, horrors and dangers of growing up poor and female in India, parts of Africa, Iraq, etc and these kids realise that trans people aren’t the most oppressed group facing liTerAl viOLenCe at every fart’s end after all.
 

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You’re lucky. My 11yo woke up with horrendous cramps this morning and was yelling at me to help her.

But in answer to your question, there is no research because women’s health is low priority, women’s pain is all in their head (especially if the pain is coming from organs that men don’t have). That’s why gynae procedures are done with no pain relief. If men had contraceptive coils forced into their bodies it would be done under general anaesthetic. Actually, if men needed coils, coils would never have been put into use on the grounds of being too brutal and deleterious to well-being.

Just yesterday on social media I saw a woman tell an anecdote that, as a doctor was giving her stitches after giving birth, she complained of pain but he said it was only “pressure” because her epidural hadn’t worn off. Then when he’d finished, she got out of bed to prove that it had. That’s women’s health in a nutshell.
I was induced with my daughter and when labour started, I begged the midwives for an epidural but they wouldn’t phone the anaesthetist so I gave birth with no pain relief. Looking back I find it hard to believe that the midwives had ever seen anyone give birth before, because they kept insisting I wasn’t in labour and wouldn’t phone my husband to come back either (he subsequently missed the birth).

I tore and the midwife stitched me up with no pain relief. I was screaming my head off but her attitude was that I was just being a big baby and making a fuss. I’m still pissed off 16 yrs later and wish I’d complained but at the time I wanted to go home and forget about it.
 
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You’re lucky. My 11yo woke up with horrendous cramps this morning and was yelling at me to help her.

But in answer to your question, there is no research because women’s health is low priority, women’s pain is all in their head (especially if the pain is coming from organs that men don’t have). That’s why gynae procedures are done with no pain relief. If men had contraceptive coils forced into their bodies it would be done under general anaesthetic. Actually, if men needed coils, coils would never have been put into use on the grounds of being too brutal and deleterious to well-being.

Just yesterday on social media I saw a woman tell an anecdote that, as a doctor was giving her stitches after giving birth, she complained of pain but he said it was only “pressure” because her epidural hadn’t worn off. Then when he’d finished, she got out of bed to prove that it had. That’s women’s health in a nutshell.
Some years ago a friend of mine was in premature labour with her second baby. As she was only 30 weeks she was continually monitored. She knew her labour was quite advanced as contractions were strong and very frequent but the male doctor said they weren’t registering on the monitor so she must be mistaken and she must have a very low pain threshold and it was much too early for her to have an epidural. Baby was born shortly after with no pain relief for my friend and when disconnecting the monitor it turned out it was faulty. No apology from the doctor though.
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I was induced with my daughter and when labour started, I begged the midwives for an epidural but they wouldn’t phone the anaesthetist so I gave birth with no pain relief. Looking back I find it hard to believe that the midwives had ever seen anyone give birth before, because they kept insisting I wasn’t in labour and wouldn’t phone my husband to come back either (he subsequently missed the birth).

I tore and the midwife stitched me up with no pain relief. I was screaming my head off but her attitude was that I was just being a big baby and making a fuss. I’m still pissed off 16 yrs later and wish I’d complained but at the time I wanted to go home and forget about it.
 
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I was induced with my daughter and when labour started, I begged the midwives for an epidural but they wouldn’t phone the anaesthetist so I gave birth with no pain relief. Looking back I find it hard to believe that the midwives had ever seen anyone give birth before, because they kept insisting I wasn’t in labour and wouldn’t phone my husband to come back either (he subsequently missed the birth).

I tore and the midwife stitched me up with no pain relief. I was screaming my head off but her attitude was that I was just being a big baby and making a fuss. I’m still pissed off 16 yrs later and wish I’d complained but at the time I wanted to go home and forget about it.
From what others have told me I think some midwives are sadists
 
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I'm not suprised about this post from Anna Saccone, a woman who has been implicit in the manipulation and grooming of her son to believe he is a girl. She's absolutely thick as two short planks but wtf is this shop doing posting this flag on international women's day?!
She is not all there, that’s for sure. I cannot get my head round this family and what they’re doing to their kids. I honestly despair.
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They just want to capture little kids from early doors to indoctrinate them from the get go. Why are parents so hated these days? I feel like these freaks want parents to have no say in their kids life. It’s so creepy.
 
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I've heard so many horror stories of women being let down during childbirth. I was very nervous at the birth of my eldest and when the midwife first examined me I started to cry. She said "oh stop making a fuss, its too early for all that". If I hadn't been in labour I'd have wiped the floor with her but I just felt embarrassed and stupid and that despite there being an actual person making its way out of my fan, I was, in fact, just "making a fuss". Our capacity to advocate for ourselves and demand and receive better care is greatly reduced because when you're in labour, especially for the first time, you're vulnerable and scared and in pain and totally reliant on the people around who are supposed to be helping you. Makes me question why some of these people work in midwifery.

Off on a tangent, apologies.
 
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Something I've been raging internally over for a long time is the lack of research into women's reproduction, periods etc.
I'm one of three women I've ever met (my Mama, another) who has never suffered side effects from periods. Doesn't matter the time of month, I'll still be hiking, dancing, sparring with male boxers etc without a thought.
Meanwhile, a cousin will literally be on the floor doubled up crying and sleeps on towels.
A friend is very health-conscious in her lifestyle and diet - and has always been so - and yet has all kinds of issues with her periods.
Why?
Why isn't there research done into it?
What are/are there the correlations between the side effects and health/ability to conceive/etc? Are there differences between ethnicities, climate, and so on?
Do child-bearing hips have any impact? (Had to add that one haha)
Why do some girls settle into their cycle pretty much instantly as they hit puberty and others still can't rely on anything well into their 20s? (Cause everyone is different is not a good enough answer for me!)
How has the Pill changed things? Does it/howso impact on puberty/hormones and fertility for the offspring of women who've been on it for any/long length of time?
I know we're expensive to study because of our monthly hormone fluctuations but seriously!

How The Pill Changes Everything by Sarah Hill shows there is a lot to be studied.
So why aren't we?


I will undoubtedly will remember more in a few hours, however, as a start and listed in absolutely no order (this is a selection...):

Jane Austen, Bronte sisters, Elizabeth Gaskell, Elinor M.Brent-Dyer, Alison Weir, Mary Cavendish, Sarah Gristwood, Georgette Heyer, Tracy Borman, Dorita Fairlie Bruce, Betty Neels, Mary Burchell (who under her real name, Ida Cook, wrote a memoir - INCREDIBLE woman), Antonia Fraser, Hildegard von Bingen, Leanda de Lisle, Nancy Mitford, Anne Applebaum, Elizabeth Chadwick

Authors I have loved since childhood and will never part with (and will read to my future children): Elyne Mitchell, Lorna Hill, Noel Streatfeild, May Gibbs, Jean Estoril, Beatrix Potter, Enid Blyton, Dorothy Wall, Pullein-Thompson sisters, Frances Hodgson Burnett

The School That Escaped The Nazis by Deborah Cadbury is a fantastic read about Anna Essinger and her tireless efforts to help Jewish children make it to safety in the UK. (Non-fiction)
The Dreaming Sex is an anthology of Victorian era scifi stories by women.
Mary Lovell's biographies on the Mitford sisters & Bess of Hardwick. (Non-fiction)
Wellington's Dearest Georgy by Alice Marie Crossland is an unexpected gem. (Non-fiction)
Judith Koll Healy's The Canterbury Papers, & The Rebel Princess are fun reads about Princess Alaïs of France.

Project Gutenberg has an amazing array of old books available online with many women writers.
I am too one of those women who has fortunately sailed through my almost 40 years of periods, plus 3 pregnancies and post partum hormones. I'm no martyr either, one sniff of a cold and take to my bed until it's past!

It would be very interesting to know why some women suffer so much? My own daughter is one of those women and it is heart breaking.
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She is not all there, that’s for sure. I cannot get my head round this family and what they’re doing to their kids. I honestly despair.
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They just want to capture little kids from early doors to indoctrinate them from the get go. Why are parents so hated these days? I feel like these freaks want parents to have no say in their kids life. It’s so creepy.
It's dehumanisation to lower the population. Plus, it's to make children sterile, so the big companies don't lose any profits.
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I know we have spoken about the horrors of getting a coil in without pain relief. I’ve been through it twice and it’s extremely painful. But it has taken away my periods and the pain. I still feel the odd twinge of pain but it doesn’t last. I had painful periods for years before this, really sore cramps and when I was much younger, late teens, I had terrible lower back pain and aching pain in my thighs with it.

It’s not for everyone but I’ve had the Mirena coil for ten years and it’s been a god send. I plan on continuing with it as I approach menopause. Despite the horrendous pain of getting it removed/one put back in. I’m going to see if I can get it done under local anesthetic. I suspect the answer will be a resounding no though.
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What in fresh hell is this article all about???
 
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I know we have spoken about the horrors of getting a coil in without pain relief. I’ve been through it twice and it’s extremely painful. But it has taken away my periods and the pain. I still feel the odd twinge of pain but it doesn’t last. I had painful periods for years before this, really sore cramps and when I was much younger, late teens, I had terrible lower back pain and aching pain in my thighs with it.

It’s not for everyone but I’ve had the Mirena coil for ten years and it’s been a god send. I plan on continuing with it as I approach menopause. Despite the horrendous pain of getting it removed/one put back in. I’m going to see if I can get it done under local anesthetic. I suspect the answer will be a resounding no though.
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What in fresh hell is this article all about???
I read something that said that politicians and others are in a tricky place, because womens rights and trans rights contradict each other, and cannot both equally exist! I agree its a massive complicated tangle to try to make any sense of!
Unlike Gay rights which never contradicted mens or womens individual rights at all

I also heard the last JKR podcast, where she was talking about the first women only refuge opening in 1971, Thats only 50 years ago. Which is a tiny amount of time historically, but too far distant for younger generations to understand completely!
I think this is partly where the issues start, a lot of the younger generations, are lucky enough to have lived in theoretical sexual equality, and dont understand the issues that women did and still do face!

But Ive often wondered why in my lifetime, Racism issues and disablity issues have improved massively, ok not perfectly but they are still better than when I was a child. Whereas, although elements of womens rights have improved, you still seem to have a majority of women being the major caregiver for children, and a lot of women still earn a lot less than men!

And talking of giving birth. On both of my pregnancies, I never got beyond Braxton Hicks contractions. My contractions would be horrendous for 10 minutes and then stop. So on both of my labours, I was constantly being sent home because according to them I wasnt in full labour.
My contractions never did become regular.
With my first, when the midwives did actually check me, I was 5 cm dilated, even though according to the machines I wasn't in labour! My child was born 2 hours later! And even in those 2 hours, even though they kept trying to put the monitor on me, the contractions kept stopping.

And the same thing happened with my second child. I never went beyond intermittent Braxton hicks contractions! I ended up thinking the medical books must all be wrong. A minority of women like me, never go beyond of Braxton Hicks contractions!

It must be natural I assume, I would go from being doubled up in pain, to being able to sit up and move around, or at least that was what I did at home!! The hospital kept me lying on the bed when I was eventually allowed to stay there!
 
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For all the things I disagree with Matt Walsh on, this is another Strongly Worded Verbal Letter to the trans activists. I'm glad he mentions their whines of 'genocide', and their 'crocodile tears' ha! It currently has 4.2 million views.



KJK in the studio for Sky News Aus, with Katherine Deves. Sky News will be filming the Sydney LWS!



I was on Shutterstock and suggested to me in the 'people' filter :unsure:
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Odd. Camilla was President of WOW atleast until last years IWD but it's not listed on her current patronages, the article says former President but I can't find anything about when and why she stepped down.
According to royal.gov, Camilla is President of WOW festival still. How confusing!

It would be very interesting to know why some women suffer so much? My own daughter is one of those women and it is heart breaking.
And it isn't a new phenomenon thanks to the Industrial Age, the Pill, changing exercise habits et al, either - Mary I of England experienced excruciating pain, lifestyle and diet between the 1500s and now...!
Is there a mutation in one of the chromosome strands? Is there something in the positioning of the internals within the skeleton (not necessarily visible to the naked eye)?
When I become the dictator of the world, I vow to organise research into it.
 
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Another one who doesn't suffer from period pain, however every woman I know (including my poor daughter) does.

When I gave birth to my daughter I was told that I was being a baby regarding how much pain I was in as I was only 2 cm dilated. She was born less than an hour later with no pain relief as they refused to give me any.

Changed hospital for her brother and was looked after so well.
 
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Not confirmed but just read on Twitter that Jess Phillips was given a list of the names of murdered women to read out in the parliamentary debate on IWD and she took it upon herself to add the name of Briana Ghey. The death of Briana is tragic but we don't know the circumstances and it did NOT belong on that list. Shame on her.
 
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From what others have told me I think some midwives are sadists
Mine didn’t even realise my baby had been born (second birth). I’d had an epidural and was lying on my side with the midwife manually monitoring my contractions with her hand on my stomach. I was sick a few times and said to her that I thought I felt something moving down there. She told me it was just the pressure of baby moving down and I wasn’t ready to push yet, she would tell me when my contractions were close together. A few minutes later my husband lifted the sheet covering me and the baby was out
 
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Not confirmed but just read on Twitter that Jess Phillips was given a list of the names of murdered women to read out in the parliamentary debate on IWD and she took it upon herself to add the name of Briana Ghey. The death of Briana is tragic but we don't know the circumstances and it did NOT belong on that list. Shame on her.
Rosie Duffield was meant to do it but had to pull out due to a migraine. Jess Phillips is an hole :mad:
 
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Rosie Duffield was meant to do it but had to pull out due to a migraine. Jess Phillips is an hole :mad:
Briana was only living as a girl for a matter of months. It's such an insult to the other women, especially as we don't even know all the circumstances of Briana's death yet (and may never do since the accused are minors )
 
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