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Hi everyone. I’m new on here and have yet to catch up with the whole thread but I really felt like I needed a space to discuss my feelings on the what’s happening with gender in society at the moment as I feel like it’s hard to discuss my POV in person without being accused of being “transphobic.”
I guess to start I want to say I’m not transphobic in any way shape or form and I do genuinely believe gender dysphoria is a real issue for a small number of people and I support these peoples right to get help. I also would fight for the rights of anyone who felt they weren’t being treated equal. At the same time I think the gender discussion in society has taken a turn and is actually doing more harm than good for those who are genuinely trans.
I grew up in the late 90s / early 00s with a lot of tomboy friends and some feminine boys, some in their adult life turned out to be gay, some didn’t. I feel like today feminine boys and tomboys are instantly assumed to be trans or to have some sort of issue with their gender and it baffles me. I love seeing people express their identity in different ways through clothes, makeup etc. but feel like how people express themselves is being intertwined with their gender/sex and actually promoting traditional gender roles rather than going against them like they claim to.
I’m a woman (I refuse to use the term cis for myself, sorry not sorry) and I am so confused by people who say women are simply people who internally feel like women. I’m just like… can someone tell me what that feels like cause after 30 years living as a woman I’m not even sure I could explain it. A woman is what I am not who I am.
in a society that has become so accepting I find it odd how people can’t just express their identity in any way they please cause as I mentioned I feel the current narrative actually promotes traditional gender roles / traits rather than squash them I.e. biological men wearing dresses and claiming to be trans or non binary because dresses aren’t traditionally masculine. Wearing a dress and makeup is not what makes me a woman. I actually hate dresses!!
I have so many thoughts on this and the above might seem wishy washy and not thought out properly but I’ve just so many thoughts about it! But I am going to end with this… A good friend of mine (male) went to the doctor last year with some problems- no sex drive, weight gain, depressive episodes and overall feeling shit. He was miserable for a long time and I saw him suffer through it. After blood tests etc. he was diagnosed with a small tumor, which is not life threatening, on his pituitary gland resulting in his estrogen levels spiking and causing all his symptoms. Immediately he had to to go on meds to shrink the tumour and get his body back to “normal”. The doctordiscussed the potential side effects if he had have ignored his symptoms and had his estrogen levels continue to rise including increased risk of cancer, depression etc. This immediately made me think of biological men that are put on female hormones long term to fix their issues with their gender and I thought surely this isn’t good long term. And on the flip side is even worse for women considering testosterone is far more potent as a hormone. It’s scary that cross sex hormones are given to people indefinitely but not enough is actually discussed about the long term side effects. And they’re giving them to teens… it’s a scary time.
Hello and welcome to Terf Ville

You are correct that cross sex hormones will eventually lead to a huge rise in cancers. Most men taking oestrogen are buying it on the internet, so they have no idea what they are taking.

A handy timeline for you (I am a good few years into being aware of what is going on, so I may sound harsh to you):
You cannot change your sex. No, amount of cosmetic surgery or taking cross-sex hormones does anything more than make you a hairy women with a deep voice or a eunuch with a bad shoes.

Trans rights are not human rights. They have more rights that the rest of us (try firing one!). What TRA's are demanding are privileges they don't deserve. These demands impose on women's rights and make women's spaces mixed sex, which is against the Equality Act 2010.

When the GRA (2004) was implemented to allow men (at that time it was only men who wanted to do this, these men were known as transsexuals) to lie on their birth certificates, passports, driving licences etc to effectively become women in law, no women's groups had a seat at the table, only LGB and TRA's - all men. The report stated that by allowing men access to women's single sex spaces would put women at risk of loss of privacy, dignity and increase the risk of assault, but it was accepted that the risk to women was appropriate to meet these male demands.

When on 2010, gender was added to the Equality Act, again, no women's groups were at the table for this consultation, but this essentially opened up self ID as we know it today, however there wasn't the gender shit show we have now so it remained under the radar. This addition of gender to the EA, allowed trans people to be able to self ID on their government documentation and be treated the same as their chosen gender. Self ID is already in place for everywhere but their birth certificates.

Just after the EA was brought in the NHS added it's Annex B, allowing any male saying they were female to be placed on women's wards. Women have been raped and assaulted and then lied to by the NHS and the police by being told that no men were on the ward, when there was. (This is well documented and has been discussed in the House of Lords).

In 2014 gay marriage was legalised and LGB people had exactly the same rights as everyone else (as it should be).

In 2015 political lobbying group Stonewall was paid large sums of money to add T to the LGB. Stonewall had done great work for the LGB community in the UK and across Europe and was already well placed to push the T agenda. From there on Gender Ideology was pushed in all government organisations, including education, the police, NHS, BBC, local government. Which explains the explosion of this generation of children saying they are trans and also the disappearance of anorexia in young girls.

The past 2 years has seen a massive rise in men saying they are TW. There is no such thing as a trans woman. Try not to use their language it tricks the mind, there are only trans identified men (TiM's). They require 'validation' from women for their adopted persona because they are autogynephiles (AGP). Basically, men who get turned on by the thought of themselves as women (euphoria) - Dylan Mulvaney, Eddie Izzard, Wil(Lia)m Thomas are AGP's. AGP is not an innocent fetish, it is because of the AGP's that women are no longer allowed to speak our truth and are being silenced, we must validate and be complicit with their sexual fetish.

The huge rise in trans identified people, especially under 18's and AGP's absolutely comes from the 2020/2021 lockdowns.

Common slurs to silence you will be:
Transphobia / trans phobic - everything is - even eye rolling
TERF - Trans exclusionary radical feminist - yawn
Right wing - you are automatically right wing if you don't agree with TRA's
Far right wing - when you have fully peaked and your terfness is showing like a belisha beacon
Dog whistle - When you speak facts - TRA's don't like facts
These are the most marginalised groups - No, no they are not, they have huge power and money behind them. There have been zero murders in the UK of trans people for being trans since 2008. Women are murdered at a rate of 3-4 a week. Children under 12 months are even more at risk. These absurd lies plied by Stonewall are taken from south American countries, not the UK, Europe or the US.

2023 - Women still do not have a seat at the table for women's rights with regards to consultations with the government, which tells you how women are regarded among the political class in the UK.

Women's rights are our human rights. We have never achieved equality.
Trans rights are male privileges. They have achieved so much in such a short amount of time because they are men. No other reason.
 
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mallethead

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Hi everyone. I’m new on here and have yet to catch up with the whole thread but I really felt like I needed a space to discuss my feelings on the what’s happening with gender in society at the moment as I feel like it’s hard to discuss my POV in person without being accused of being “transphobic.”
I guess to start I want to say I’m not transphobic in any way shape or form and I do genuinely believe gender dysphoria is a real issue for a small number of people and I support these peoples right to get help. I also would fight for the rights of anyone who felt they weren’t being treated equal. At the same time I think the gender discussion in society has taken a turn and is actually doing more harm than good for those who are genuinely trans.
I grew up in the late 90s / early 00s with a lot of tomboy friends and some feminine boys, some in their adult life turned out to be gay, some didn’t. I feel like today feminine boys and tomboys are instantly assumed to be trans or to have some sort of issue with their gender and it baffles me. I love seeing people express their identity in different ways through clothes, makeup etc. but feel like how people express themselves is being intertwined with their gender/sex and actually promoting traditional gender roles rather than going against them like they claim to.
I’m a woman (I refuse to use the term cis for myself, sorry not sorry) and I am so confused by people who say women are simply people who internally feel like women. I’m just like… can someone tell me what that feels like cause after 30 years living as a woman I’m not even sure I could explain it. A woman is what I am not who I am.
in a society that has become so accepting I find it odd how people can’t just express their identity in any way they please cause as I mentioned I feel the current narrative actually promotes traditional gender roles / traits rather than squash them I.e. biological men wearing dresses and claiming to be trans or non binary because dresses aren’t traditionally masculine. Wearing a dress and makeup is not what makes me a woman. I actually hate dresses!!
I have so many thoughts on this and the above might seem wishy washy and not thought out properly but I’ve just so many thoughts about it! But I am going to end with this… A good friend of mine (male) went to the doctor last year with some problems- no sex drive, weight gain, depressive episodes and overall feeling shit. He was miserable for a long time and I saw him suffer through it. After blood tests etc. he was diagnosed with a small tumor, which is not life threatening, on his pituitary gland resulting in his estrogen levels spiking and causing all his symptoms. Immediately he had to to go on meds to shrink the tumour and get his body back to “normal”. The doctordiscussed the potential side effects if he had have ignored his symptoms and had his estrogen levels continue to rise including increased risk of cancer, depression etc. This immediately made me think of biological men that are put on female hormones long term to fix their issues with their gender and I thought surely this isn’t good long term. And on the flip side is even worse for women considering testosterone is far more potent as a hormone. It’s scary that cross sex hormones are given to people indefinitely but not enough is actually discussed about the long term side effects. And they’re giving them to teens… it’s a scary time.
 
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Wow brilliant and copied here for those who want to read:

I’M SICK TO FUCKING DEATH OF HEARING OF HOW everything fucking hurts trans people’s feelings & how I’m obliged to erase myself & my reality, constantly police my speech & have it policed for me, & walk on eggshells to center their narcissistic fragility.

I’m sick to fucking death hearing that trans people are the most oppressed people in the entire world. Affluent, western white men in their 30s, 40s, 50s wearing dresses are not fucking oppressed AT ALL, let alone more than poor black & brown girls in the developing world.

I’m sick to fucking death hearing that TW being told they can’t get their dicks out in places where women & girls are vulnerable is denying them rights & the worst possible hardship any human has ever faced. If that’s the worst you ever face you are privileged, not oppressed.

I’m sick to fucking death of women being asked to prove that vast numbers of us are in peril of brutal rape & death for our objections to sharing private spaces with males to be considered valid, & anything short of that being seen as an acceptable price to validate.

I’m sick to fucking death of hearing that TWAW even if they take no hormones, have no surgery, see no doctors, get no diagnosis, experience no dysphoria, & keep their beards, but when we ask questions suddenly all the TW will kill themselves from triggered dysphoria.

I’m sick to fucking death hearing that women talking about surviving male violence are “weaponizing their trauma” against trans people when the entire trans movement is founded on the weaponized trauma of their (supposed) dysphoria & emotional blackmail.

I’m sick to fucking death of hearing “no one’s saying sex isn’t real” & “sex & gender are different” while being told there’s no such thing as a biological female, women have dicks, males have periods & get cervical cancer, a clitoris is just a small penis.

I’m sick to fucking death of hearing how hard it is to be trans when every politician, mainstream media outlet, corporation, charity, & celebrity is in the thrall of trans ideology while women who say humans can’t change sex are vilified, doxxed, fired, & otherwise cancelled.

I’m sick to fucking death of hearing that endometriosis, menstruation, miscarriage, abortion, street harassment, sexual objectification, & unpaid domestic labor are examples of “cis privilege.”

I’m sick to fucking death of being told that women & girls who dare to set boundaries are hateful bigots; that men are entitled to decide whether our boundaries are justified & whether they will be granted; & that straight dysphoric men are entitled to sex from lesbians.

I’m sick to fucking death of white people with BLM in their bios saying women who say humans can’t change sex are the same as nazis and white supremacists while also saying that black women are indistinguishable from dysphoric men.

I’m sick to fucking death of being told that “humans can’t change sex” is the epitome of violent hatred but “choke on my fat ladycock, t*rf cunt,” “kill t*rfs,” “t*rfs get raped with my barbed wire-wrapped baseball bat” are considered justifiable, if not downright righteous.

I’m sick to fucking death of hearing that injured male pride is a catastrophic violation of human rights that must be avoided at all costs, up to and including the sacrifice of female bodies—but female rights & trauma are at best irrelevant. Sick. To. Fucking. Death."
@feminist_rachel
on twitter
 
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Vanelope

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I was in a nail salon today in a small town in middle England, only four other people in there and they were having a perfectly terfy conversation when I walked in about how they didn’t like being called chest feeders or that you can escape biology and saying being a woman is a feeling and that the new activists are making everything bad for the existing transsexuals as was. Terfs in the wild ladies. The majority are with us.
 
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See, I think this is a version of that, though.

The way I see it is it's some* women (I assume mostly straight based on the law of probability) tutting at gay men and telling us we shouldn't be doing certain things, while calling us misogynists, and failing to see the hypocrisy. We'll do as we please in our spaces, thanks.

*I note from my original post, which had plenty of likes that I'm not alone in my view, it's just no one else wants to stick their head above the parapet - which I do understand! (And note, I didn't raise the subject, I just replied to it.)
'We'll do as we please in our spaces'.
If only women could say the same thing.
 
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Thanks for the new thread Pipsy.

About the HP actor Evanna (forgot her last name). I was quite impressed and taken aback that she has admitted she was naive…it takes guts to admit you were wrong or reactionary, but even more so given the nature of the debate. The other HP actors should be ashamed of themselves for throwing JKR under the bus. They’d do well to have a think about what Evanna is saying.

Just while we are talking about HP actors, a clip of Emma Watson came up on my Facebook of her talking about how much it hurts her the thought if someone being ‘not included’. I don’t think the conversation was anything to do with trans issues but her performance was Oscar worthy. It just hurts her poor little heart so much, that thought of a person not being INCLUDED. FFS Emma grow a bloody pair!! Oh she gets my goat that lassie!! Pathetic and disingenuous person.
 
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Happy international women’s day terfs! What fuckery is going to unravel this year I wonder. Fucks me off we can’t even have one day for adult human females.
 
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Ronnie Barker guessed about they/them back in the 70s 😂
Back then, sketches like this were poking fun at feminists and their supposed demands for terms such as "chairman", to be replaced with non-sexist titles, there was quite a large backlash against the term "Ms", and the general feeling was, as always, that "strong" women were a bit of a nusiance, with their unreasonable complaints against the everyday sexism that was so entrenched in our lives. This was the era of Page 3, of scantily-clad gameshow hostesses, of "Carry On" films, (thankfully it was also the era of Siouxie Sioux and Poly Styrene, to show us that women didn't need to get their t**s out in order to be heard)
I was just starting at secondary school when this sketch went on air. Luckily, I was able to attend an all-girls school, where our teachers told us that we could do whatever we wanted for a living, that we should always have our own bank account and keep our own money, that we didn't have to marry and have babies if we chose not to, that we were equal to men.
Now, here we are, almost 50 years later, where International Women's Day is celebrated on behalf of men in lipstick, where a female author
has had to set up a private rape crisis centre so that she can legally keep men away from traumatised women, where the NHS has to be petitioned in order to get the word "Woman" used on a cervical cancer information leaflet, where men are being applauded for beating women in sporting events. How's that for progress?
 
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Yeah TBH I would find being referred to as ‘cis’ annoying. I’m not a ciswoman, I’m a woman. I don’t need a different title just to keep the trans agenda on track.

(That’s not aimed at you @Sweetcouchpotato )
Women being referred to as “cis” was one of the first things that got my back up about all this shite before I even realised how bad and insidious of a movement it is.

No sir, we don’t need a qualifier we are the DEFAULT, do not put us as a category in our own sex. We are the whole category and you’re not, and never will be, part of it.
 
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Go Camilla! The Queen Consort held a reception for authors and 'members of the literary community' today to celebrate the second anniversary of The Queen's Reading Room, which has recently become a charity. From her speech:

"Please remain true to your calling, unimpeded by those who may wish to curb the freedom of your expression or impose limits on your imagination. Enough said!"
 
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How very unsurprising.

The utter cluelessness and disingenuousness on display around Forbes’ beliefs in all this beggars belief, doesn’t it, in that people are neglecting to remember that freedom from discrimination based on religious belief is equally one of the nine protected characteristics under the EQ Act. It seems somehow that people believe there is some sort of hierarchy, with “gender identity” and sexuality as top trumps and religion being sort of optional at the bottom. Nope.

I’m hopping mad this morning over people getting their froth on over denouncing her as a BIGOTTY BIGOTTY BIGOT, over her beliefs on abortion & equal marriage when she’s been very clear that her personal beliefs will not be leading her to take any action in public life on those topics. I disagree with her, I disagree with her profoundly on those topics but she was elected by her consitutuents believing them, she’s telling the truth about them, and they absolutely cannot be used to deny her getting a job. Meanwhile, I suspect you couldn’t put a fag paper between her and Yousaf on similar beliefs in him and his constituents, but he doesn’t get the same grilling…

I liked what Kemi Badenoch said about people needing to remember that the EQA is a shield and not a sword.

Anyway, been lurking on these threads a while and ready to decloak as full bore TERF and join in now 😀
 
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Luisa18

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I’m so sorry to hear of all these awful and disgusting labour stories. It’s shocking the disparity in care received and the inhumane ways women can be treated in their most vulnerable times.

I have just given birth to my own little preemie baby, but the care I have received to date has been gold standard. Very women centred (no birthing or chest feeding here, thank god) and I have been made to feel like an absolute superwoman in a very stressful time.

I just want wanted to say there are still those who aren’t caught up in all this bullshit, and give and treat women with the respect that we deserve. We are the ONLY sex that can birth children, and always will be.
 
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