Gender Discussion #39

[Cocobaby09]

I’m sure a student in Edinburgh did this at uni a few years ago and got booted out for transphobia. Or she questioned the ideology in class and made ‘cis’ people feel ‘unsafe’ or some garbage I can’t remember her name but I believe she took them to court. I’ll see if I can find the article.

I saw her at a protest in Holyrood, Lisa Keogh I’m sure her name is. She took the uni to court because I think she said only women have vaginas/cervixes.

 

[smellyfootballboots]

Seen on twitter

The 'affirmation method' is such a disbucked method of 'care' for children, that even the Swedish institute who came up with it don't use it or recommend it! I'm really starting to hate the US, it is the tit show of a country that have pushed this ideology onto the west.
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One of the things I’m making a conscious effort to do whenever I’m discussing this issue with someone, especially someone that I suspect is on the BE KIND, TWAW bandwagon is to keep referring to these men as Trans-identified Men. I WILL NOT call them trans women. They are, in NO way, women. They are men. I won’t lie about it. I won’t ignore what is staring me in the face. I am sure that will upset some people, I’m sure if I was on TikTok, I’d have some creepy TIM making a video about how violent I am being to him, but it’s not okay. I actually can’t believe there isn’t more outcry about how people are being expected to lie, to affirm someone else’s delusion. Total strangers (TIM) are expecting to dictate to everyone they meet that what they are seeing, hearing, sensing is wrong and hurtful and violent. What on earth are we coming to?

No, I never use their language, not ever.

What I have found is due to the mass media blackout of the actual issues with trans ideology that the majority of people are completely unaware of what is really happening especially to women's rights laws and children. They believe that LGBT people are a highly marginalised group of people because it came across their path somewhere (probably TV) and they have put zero thought into it. The first uncomfortable thing for many will have been either something one of their kids have said or something at work. Not everyone has kids or works in a company that can afford to waste money on Stonewall, so not everyone is touched by this at the same time.

It is a shame that so many people take their lead from the US with regards to their opinions with this, as soon as you are called a far right wing extremist you know you are dealing with a cult member. If they say you are using dogwhistles you are dealing with someone who cannot have a discussion on the issue they are trying to defend because they have never heard any real pro-trans arguments due to no debate.

 

[Tumbleweed]

This got to be the saddest video I've come across.
You could see this person is not truly happy with the fact the have no sensational down below, or no sex drive due to taking hormones.
They even compare it to cis women, saying it's the same, because women also don't have sex drives. In what world do women no desire sex? We get horny just like men. And climax just like men (unless we have some sort of medical issue).
I feel slightly offended. As this trans woman wants to lie to herself to make herself feel better and feel like real women. We aren't the same and I don't get why this is so hard to accept. Nothing wrong with admitting trans women and real women are different. Her not having any sensation due to having trans treatments is not the same as a woman not having a sex drive due to a medical reason.

Spreading wrong information like this on the Internet is so dangerous.

What was that all about ?

 

[NeverEnough]

He’s saying that as a “lesbian” it hurts his feelings and makes him when lesbians say they’re not interested in him or his penis or his maleness

This. He also seems to be implying that genitalia should play no part in sex. Which in my view is a bit like saying that oxygen should pay no part in breathing. But this is new progressive thinking apparently.

At what point do we burn down the world and start over?

 

[CEB1980]

We laugh at deluded TiM's, who call themselves "lesbians" in the vain hope that actual women will have sex with them, but behind this ideology are real people, who have been irreparably damaged by their decisions to have life-altering surgeries.

My son has a friend who is a trans man. (I'm going to use male pronouns as I only know this person as a man) He's had his top surgery, he makes a living in a very male-oriented profession (which is open to women too) he met my son through a mutual friend around a year ago. I don't mean to use antiquated gender stereotypes, but this guy was so obviously socialised as a woman, he loves a gossip, he's happy to chat on the phone for hours, I've tried really hard to relate to him as a man, but my instincts just tell me otherwise. I really like this guy, he's very polite, he's great fun, and he just seems to be a lovely person. I also have a very strong feeling that he is a little bit in love with my son.
It really upsets me that this poor kid has been indoctrinated to the extent that a double masectomy has been presented as life-affirming surgery. Who is going to have a relationship with this person? Gay women don't want women who have removed their healthy breasts. Gay men don't like vaginas. Straight women tend to prefer men with a penis. And straight men like women who don't think of themselves as men.
In a different universe, my son may well have been bringing home a young woman, one who wasn't particularly "girly", one who succeeded in pursuing a career in a male-dominated environment, one who, despite some MH issues, had grown to love her body, and to appreciate the differences between the sexes, and one who could have a normal, healthy relationship with whomever she chose.

I sincerely hope that this young man finds happiness, and that his decision brings him peace. But somehow, I doubt it. And that makes me very sad indeed.

you haven’t ever known her as a man; you’ve known her as a woman who has experienced dysphoria as part of a social contagion, who has mutilated her body to fit society’s idea of how she can exist outside of expectations imposed on women. Women who aren’t feminine “enough” aren’t men; society’s ideas of “masculinity” is not maleness. Your son’s friend is not a member of the same sex as me.

 

[nicalibres]

This got to be the saddest video I've come across.
You could see this person is not truly happy with the fact the have no sensational down below, or no sex drive due to taking hormones.
They even compare it to cis women, saying it's the same, because women also don't have sex drives. In what world do women no desire sex? We get horny just like men. And climax just like men (unless we have some sort of medical issue).
I feel slightly offended. As this trans woman wants to lie to herself to make herself feel better and feel like real women. We aren't the same and I don't get why this is so hard to accept. Nothing wrong with admitting trans women and real women are different. Her not having any sensation due to having trans treatments is not the same as a woman not having a sex drive due to a medical reason.

Spreading wrong information like this on the Internet is so dangerous.

This is why I don’t make distinctions between those who are autogynefiles and those who might actually have body dysmorhia, etc. Scratch the surface and nine times out of ten you’ll find misogyny.

 

[AnonyGoss]

I find that this is how trans women reassure each other whenever their experiences of being a woman don't live up to their fantasies expectations.

"I went out today and was clocked straight away!" "Don't worry, cis women get clocked too. It happens."
"My hips aren't wide enough." "Lots of cis women have narrow hips. Narrower than a cis man's. Yours will be wider than some women's."

And so on.

Within some groups, it's almost like a cult - believe what we say, without questioning it or listening to anyone from the outside (especially transphobic relatives).

She has another video on her channel about straight men being attracted to trans women. She said it still makes them straight even if they're attracted to a trans woman in the street. But that's maybe because they don't know??

Then she said if they take the trans woman home and find out, but still sleep with them, they're still straight. Because "sexuality is nothing to do with genitals". I have to disagree for many reasons. But I'm just amazed how this person thinks they can speak for every straight man!

This is why I don’t make distinctions between those who are autogynefiles and those who might actually have body dysmorhia, etc. Scratch the surface and nine times out of ten you’ll find misogyny.

Exactly. Ironically, in another video, she bashed other trans people who say they feel depressed etc if they don't come out as trans. She called them liars and dramatic, just because she didn't experience that before her transition.
But on the other hand, she admitted she's from the Neverlands where trans is highly encouraged and excepted, so she didn't face discrimination. She was also the manager of her job (when she was a man), hence why she didn't have any issues at work! This must explain why people were probably too scared to judge. Doesn't even realise her own male privilege. Not everyone has this luxury. Very misogynistic indeed.

 

[Glortard]

Seen on twitter

what a surprise it’s from the Party of Sexual deviants also known as the Green Party. Daddy Harvie will be pleased his local councillor has tweeted that.

 

[DoraMaar]

I seem to remember that there was some research done at some point for the IOC (I think) into trans women advantage. Based on a small sample size, including the author of the study. I think all the subjects were over 50. So apart from the probable outcome that it was a biased study and the subjects didn’t try very hard, age would have been a factor in reducing capability. This single piece of ‘evidence’ is what sporting governing bodies used to shape policy.

From googling I *think* this is the study, but I’m not awake enough to properly understand it. I can’t see a reference to the age of the subjects so it might not be the right one. https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/docum...&doi=70d8ffb81f6c24461fa7972d527cd48511a9d19d

And this is an article that references another bit of research that I might be mixing my memories up with. https://www.science.org/content/art...nsitions-alter-athletic-performance-including

In the Times this morning - TW cyclist Emily Bridges is the only person who is now taking part in this study - he has said that his performance has deteriorated since transition but it is suspected that trans athletes try to skew study data by holding back on their performance.

Three of four transwomen athletes drop out of IOC study | Sport | The…

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[Vanelope]

Lia Thomas absolutely threw the other races after the one that he dominated because of the backlash and he had proved his point. No shade to the winners, but he was cruising to get second.

 

[DoraMaar]

Julie Burchill - brilliant, as always

Beware the wolves in ewes clothing - spiked (spiked-online.com)

 

[CookieZippy]

I see that that madman India Willoughby is on Question Time tonight. Hopefully he'll peak a few people...

 

[weeweegie]

I see that that madman India Willoughby is on Question Time tonight. Hopefully he'll peak a few people...

I’ve been telling my husband about India Willoughby and how vile he is and I think he thinks surely this person isn’t real…I’ll switch this on tonight for him to see the cretin with his own eyes. I’m sure he will show himself up for the massive delusional misogynist that he is (India, not my husband ).

 

[petitspois]

I’ve been telling my husband about India Willoughby and how vile he is and I think he thinks surely this person isn’t real…I’ll switch this on tonight for him to see the cretin with his own eyes. I’m sure he will show himself up for the massive delusional misogynist that he is (India, not my husband ).

He's also really thick so someone decent should be able to run absolute rings round the little tit.

 

[Miss Begotten]

I’ve been telling my husband about India Willoughby and how vile he is and I think he thinks surely this person isn’t real…I’ll switch this on tonight for him to see the cretin with his own eyes. I’m sure he will show himself up for the massive delusional misogynist that he is (India, not my husband ).

Hopefully his appearance on QT will be as successful as Nick Griffin’s.
He’s not just a cretin, he’s a racist cretin. ( “India”, not your husband).

 

[DoraMaar]

I've discovered a new word today - 'fursona' - a furry's identity - this article is not for the fainthearted

Wings Over Scotland | The Fury Of The Furries

 

[katyazamo]

We laugh at deluded TiM's, who call themselves "lesbians" in the vain hope that actual women will have sex with them, but behind this ideology are real people, who have been irreparably damaged by their decisions to have life-altering surgeries.

My son has a friend who is a trans man. (I'm going to use male pronouns as I only know this person as a man) He's had his top surgery, he makes a living in a very male-oriented profession (which is open to women too) he met my son through a mutual friend around a year ago. I don't mean to use antiquated gender stereotypes, but this guy was so obviously socialised as a woman, he loves a gossip, he's happy to chat on the phone for hours, I've tried really hard to relate to him as a man, but my instincts just tell me otherwise. I really like this guy, he's very polite, he's great fun, and he just seems to be a lovely person. I also have a very strong feeling that he is a little bit in love with my son.
It really upsets me that this poor kid has been indoctrinated to the extent that a double masectomy has been presented as life-affirming surgery. Who is going to have a relationship with this person? Gay women don't want women who have removed their healthy breasts. Gay men don't like vaginas. Straight women tend to prefer men with a penis. And straight men like women who don't think of themselves as men.
In a different universe, my son may well have been bringing home a young woman, one who wasn't particularly "girly", one who succeeded in pursuing a career in a male-dominated environment, one who, despite some MH issues, had grown to love her body, and to appreciate the differences between the sexes, and one who could have a normal, healthy relationship with whomever she chose.

I sincerely hope that this young man finds happiness, and that his decision brings him peace. But somehow, I doubt it. And that makes me very sad indeed.

This is sad to hear. I have nothing but disdain for AGP males but will always feel for women who choose to identify as male. I would honestly say 90% of them have been indoctrinated. I've mentioned here before I have dated a couple of trans men, all of whom were deeply unhappy in a female body but that was also a result of various degrees of trauma. It always felt like they were trying to opt out of being female. They tried their best to live as male but as you say, they've very clearly been socialised as female.

Some do go on to have relationships (suppose I am testament to that, I imagine I'd be labelled "pansexual" these days ) but they tend to stick to people within the LGBT community who only reinforce their thinking. It's easier to surround yourself with people who enable you. There is always an unhappiness there that can't be shaken.

 

[smellyfootballboots]

You see what happens when you allow men to lie about being women in the context of the law?

Women can't rape, so it isn't rape - right?

 

[Ruby’s mum]

You see what happens when you allow men to lie about being women in the context of the law?

Women can't rape, so it isn't rape - right?

Wow. Aside from the fact that they are incorrect as rape is defined as penetration with a penis, so if the ‘woman’ uses a penis against another woman’s wishes it is still rape, that is unbelievable. Where is this from?

 

[smellyfootballboots]

Hopefully his appearance on QT will be as successful as Nick Griffin’s.
He’s not just a cretin, he’s a racist cretin. ( “India”, not your husband).

Fiona Bruce presents QT and is the most captured of all women. Did anyone watch this? How many times did she say she doesn't agree with whoever was speaking opposite Jonathan?
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Wow. Aside from the fact that they are incorrect as rape is defined as penetration with a penis, so if the ‘woman’ uses a penis against another woman’s wishes it is still rape, that is unbelievable. Where is this from?

It's taken from a twitter DM conversation