But nobody is seeing the act of water being sprayed as obscene though, are they? It’s the deliberate intention behind it. Just one look at the picture above shows very clearly that there was sexual motivations behind it and it isn’t something as innocent as water being sprayed like you’ve compared it tooIt does make sense because both only involve water. So if seeing water being sprayed is obscene then the same applies to any fountain - I just used the Friends one as an example.
The thing is though someone needs to know the concept to understand what it's getting at. And if they know the concept then it's not like the video is introducing them to it.But nobody is seeing the act of water being sprayed as obscene though, are they? It’s the deliberate intention behind it. Just one look at the picture above shows very clearly that there was sexual motivations behind it and it isn’t something as innocent as water being sprayed like you’ve compared it too
But because he’s not having actual piss sprayed at him, it’s alright
People disagreeing with you doesn't mean you were able to watch the video objectively and they weren't Ensay.The thing is though someone needs to know the concept to understand what it's getting at. And if they know the concept then it's not like the video is introducing them to it.
If someone doesn't know the concept then they won't understand what it means either. Hence why I don't get the fuss.
I'm gonna be honest here, it's mostly people that don't like Sam Smith who are making a bigger thing of it. I don't like him either, nor do I agree with the whole non-binary thing, but I can at least watch the video objectively.
Ugh just saw one of these cards in my local Card Factory.
Not only can you sterilise and mutilate yourself you can get a special card too.
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And you get people going ‘it’s empowering!’ ‘They are just feeling themselves!’Possibly an unpopular opinion but the sexualisation of almost every aspect of our culture, including that disgusting Sam Smith video (how can anyone say objections to that are puritanical??) and songs like WAP, have opened the floodgates. It’s a huge part of the reason perverts feel emboldened to indulge their proclivities out in the open. The situation in which we find ourselves as a society didn’t happen in a vacuum.
I thought it was obvious I was giving an opinion - ie I think some people are letting their bias get in the way. Clearly not everyone will agree with me, but that's life.People disagreeing with you doesn't mean you were able to watch the video objectively and they weren't Ensay.
In my opinion It's a shite music video regardless of the music artist involved.
Maybe it’s because I’m over 40 and I haven’t watched a contemporary music video in years. Maybe it’s because I’m a TERF and more sensitive to these issues now. Maybe it’s because I’ve only seen clips of the Sam Smith video and not the whole thing, but my impression was that it was more porn soaked than the average sexually explicit music video (and sexually explicit videos are not new - I’m old enough to know that).I think most of the 'controversy' comes from the part that's supposedly meant to be a 'golden shower'. However, the bit in question is tame really because it's clear water, so is no more obscene than drinking from a water fountain. The opening credits of Friends where they play in the fountain and spit water out their mouths also needs banning if this video needs banning.
The reality is, the majority of people couldn't care less about other peoples sex lives. So what if you like being pissed on, you like shitting on people etc. why would I or anyone else NOT in a relationship with you care!?? HonestlyAnd you get people going ‘it’s empowering!’ ‘They are just feeling themselves!’
I honestly don't think it's any worse than anything Madonna trotted out in the 80s.Maybe it’s because I’m over 40 and I haven’t watched a contemporary music video in years. Maybe it’s because I’m a TERF and more sensitive to these issues now. Maybe it’s because I’ve only seen clips of the Sam Smith video and not the whole thing, but my impression was that it was more porn soaked than the average sexually explicit music video (and sexually explicit videos are not new - I’m old enough to know that).
I think it’s disingenuous to say this kind of open-mouthed, eyes-closed posturing is like watching someone drink at a water fountain. It’s so obviously pornified, but not just pornified in a “look how fuckable I am” way, like the old days, it’s pornified in a “let’s push the envelope and normalise paraphilias” way.
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I'm afraid it wasn't obvious. At least to me.I thought it was obvious I was giving an opinion - ie I think some people are letting their bias get in the way. Clearly not everyone will agree with me, but that's life.
Well, I'm glad I was able to clarify it for you.I'm afraid it wasn't obvious. At least to me.The tone of your post made it seem like you were claiming objectivity in a way which seemed to imply you thought others weren't watching it objectively.
But whatever.
You are aware it is representative of a 'golden shower?' - not quite the same theme as a bikini clad woman in Trafalgar square..I think I sort of agree with you. I haven’t watched the whole video, mainly because I’m not a fan of Sam Smith’s music, so the idea of having to listen to his singing AND watch him at the same time is a bit much. But from the clips I’ve seen there’s absolutely nothing in there that hasn’t been done before.
Your point about the double standards is spot on.It’s pretty rich of the DM to be winding themselves into a fury over this particular video. This is the same DM that wanks itself silly over photo after photo of women in bikinis frolicking in the surf, flaunting their curves in next to nothing or taking an impromptu shower in the Trafalgar Square fountain.
If they want to start a discussion about morality, perhaps they need to start with looking at themselves.
Same here. I half watched the Graham Norton show at the weekend but didn't watch anymore once he appeared. I can't stand him.His music bores the arse off me so I'd definitely not seek out his videos. Gives me the boke anyway
Don’t even get me started.And you get people going ‘it’s empowering!’ ‘They are just feeling themselves!’
Having watched the video as well....I would tend to agree, the Sam Smith vid isnt really any worse or any more suggestive, than any number of Madonna, or Britney or Christina Agulera videos.I honestly don't think it's any worse than anything Madonna trotted out in the 80s.
And the fact the above image has been posted here repeatedly is surely evidence that it's pretty tame. If it was too explicit, I don't think anyone would post it here and certainly not without spoiler tags.
But I've said my piece now.
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