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What I often wonder is what exactly is the thinking behind the person who sanctioned that. Did they expect it to subvert expectations? Did they think that anyone seeing that would think "Wow, trans women really do look as feminine and move as gracefully as real women?". Did they expect that would change hearts and strike an important blow for trans acceptance? Because what they got was the exact opposite, a mildly ridiculous spectacle of a man in a dress making an absolute tit out of himself.
To think, when I saw all the women that I was concerned I might not be able to spot the TiM - and then two bare male legs wobbled into sight beneath a massive rectangular male torso, topped off with a big old man's face with dangling earrings to add a much needed touch of femininity. Well then, all I can say is I will never understand that level of delusion.
 
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Has anyone ran into men with my misogynistic or sexist views who say that they have done a lot of research and read a lot of studies and all support their point of view as part of their argument? It feels like an argument based on “this person won’t disagree with me because I’m so educated” which is awfully tiring to deal with and I’m wondering whether I’m just very unlucky with the guys I meet or whether this is a tactic that’s being fed down from some online culture
Yes! Plus, men just seem to more often than not believe they have to be right just because. A really small example - my husband was drying my hair with a diffuser, and insisted on dragging it through my hair like a comb. I kept saying "that's not how you use it" and he kept saying "it's designed to be used that way". I was too exhausted to keep arguing which is why he was drying my hair, but even after 28 years of marriage, zero experience of ever using the dryer and frequently observing me use it correctly, he still was absolutely certain he was right. Because, Man.
 
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I was thinking about this today and came to the same conclusion. I think its why so many of these men use little cutesy anime girls as their avatars. Their perception of self is so warped.
It's from the Anime porn.

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Sam smiths video is going to be shortly discussed on nick ferrari LBC radio.
It should be bloody censored! When I was a teen there was no way a video like that would be on MTV or TOTP!
 
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To think, when I saw all the women that I was concerned I might not be able to spot the TiM - and then two bare male legs wobbled into sight beneath a massive rectangular male torso, topped off with a big old man's face with dangling earrings to add a much needed touch of femininity. Well then, all I can say is I will never understand that level of delusion.
In this thread “stunning and brave“ has become something of a running joke. And I bet that (or some form of that) is exactly what they said to him backstage afterwards, made him feel like he had struck a major blow for acceptance.

Be nice, sure, but there’s nothing nice in playing into a severe delusion. And when you look beyond the extremely odd comedy aspects of that spectacle it just left me feeling terribly sad. This guy has been very badly let down by mental health services. He probably now believes that he’s a talented skater and the most beautiful woman on that rink.
 
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Exactly this. It’s like who can be the most repulsive. With their weird undercuts or small boy from the early 90s haircuts 😅

Also the women who say they are nb or ’gender nonconforming’ (major eye roll) where they all dress in plain colour T-shirts- white, black, grey or brown, must be boxy so as not to show any smidgen of a chest, mens trousers or chinos, the more shapeless the better, and clunky big horrible flat shoes. They think they are so individual but they all look the same. Trying to make themselves look as uninteresting and drab as possible. I wouldn’t judge anyone dressing like this (or dressing in any way), but it’s the nb and GNC label they give themselves, thinking they are so special and different. Be a woman and wear whatever the hell you like but don’t tell me a plain white tshirt means you’re not really a woman Jenny.
Yes, the "nb" woman at work started wearing boardroom suits (it's not that kind of place) when she used to wear patterned tunic blouses and coloured leggings. She's married, has kids, but is "they/them" since the covid lockdown. I think she must have spent time on tiktok during the lockdown, because she came back to work wearing unisex-cut suits and cropped her hair. She was always a bit miserable anyway but now she has this permanent bitchy-resting- face where she looks miserable all the time. From the interaction I occassionally have with her it's like she's put herself in a labelled box, put "they/them" on her signature (in point 16 size font no less), and is suddenly on every internal EDI meeting/blog/training that my employer has running. Sad, really, because she looks bloody miserable and we all know she is a woman.
 
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It must be really tit to think that relabelling yourself will solve whatever self esteem issues you have, you get lots of online validation from anonymous accounts and then you go in the real world and realise most people either treat you the same as they did or ignore the ‘new you’ because it doesn’t matter very much to them. Self esteem issues remain and now you are stuck with an unflattering haircut and wardrobe. Even worse if you have gone for irreversible modification or hormones.

When people quote high self harm and suicide incidences among trans people, it is this reaction, that it doesn’t solve your problems, that would be a bigger trigger for that than not being encouraged to transition or being given what they call ‘conversion therapy’.
 
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It must be really tit to think that relabelling yourself will solve whatever self esteem issues you have, you get lots of online validation from anonymous accounts and then you go in the real world and realise most people either treat you the same as they did or ignore the ‘new you’ because it doesn’t matter very much to them. Self esteem issues remain and now you are stuck with an unflattering haircut and wardrobe. Even worse if you have gone for irreversible modification or hormones.

When people quote high self harm and suicide incidences among trans people, it is this reaction, that it doesn’t solve your problems, that would be a bigger trigger for that than not being encouraged to transition or being given what they call ‘conversion therapy’.
I think you are right, the nonbinary element of all this ideology seems to appeal to those with self esteem issues, especially women. I just wish these women could see that dressing androgynously is fine, you can do it without changing labels and beating people over the head with pronouns and capitulation. With this particular colleague, what made me roll my eyes so hard is that the pronouns in the email were 4 font sizes bigger than anything else in the text. She also started wearing a rainbow lanyard (which have been available at work for anyone who wants, for over 5 years), almost as though to cement the fact that she, white straight woman in a straight marriage had suddenly become part of the "club". I find that grotesque, because I feel the pride flag belongs to LGB, not everyone who wants to be seen as nonbinary, trans etc. I do worry for her kid though, a young teen girl, I hope she doesn't copy her mum because of expectation.
 
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Yes! Plus, men just seem to more often than not believe they have to be right just because. A really small example - my husband was drying my hair with a diffuser, and insisted on dragging it through my hair like a comb. I kept saying "that's not how you use it" and he kept saying "it's designed to be used that way". I was too exhausted to keep arguing which is why he was drying my hair, but even after 28 years of marriage, zero experience of ever using the dryer and frequently observing me use it correctly, he still was absolutely certain he was right. Because, Man.
My husband can be like that. Also, he quite often fact checks when I tell him something (usually about gender madness). Because he is fact driven 🙄 but it just makes me feel like he doesn’t believe a word I say and that he must be right. Because, Man (sorry men).
 
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Actually, Sam Smith can't have man boobs as Sam is non-binary. What are they then? They/them boobs - thoobs??

Still disgusting, either way.
 
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I think you are right, the nonbinary element of all this ideology seems to appeal to those with self esteem issues, especially women. I just wish these women could see that dressing androgynously is fine, you can do it without changing labels and beating people over the head with pronouns and capitulation. With this particular colleague, what made me roll my eyes so hard is that the pronouns in the email were 4 font sizes bigger than anything else in the text. She also started wearing a rainbow lanyard (which have been available at work for anyone who wants, for over 5 years), almost as though to cement the fact that she, white straight woman in a straight marriage had suddenly become part of the "club". I find that grotesque, because I feel the pride flag belongs to LGB, not everyone who wants to be seen as nonbinary, trans etc. I do worry for her kid though, a young teen girl, I hope she doesn't copy her mum because of expectation.
Maybe her teen will think it’s all a bit pathetic that she’ll go the other way and become gender critical, role reversal 😁 the putting her pronouns in large font has made me full body cringe just reading that. Yikes. She is miserable because she’s looking to others to validate her ‘identity ‘ when actually no one cares and she’ll always get people calling her love or whatever (or if she lived here it would be hen or darling…I occasionally get called honey from men and women..all words that strangers like folk in shops will call you based on appearance of being a woman). How embarrassing if you said ‘actually, strange guy telling me I’ve dropped my keys, I’m not a hen, I’m a them’. They’d just look at you and go wtf? You will be miserable the rest of your goddam life if you are waiting for the whole world to acknowledge how special and different you are.
 
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You will be miserable the rest of your goddam life if you are waiting for the whole world to acknowledge how special and different you are.
And this is what it all boils down to.

If you're waiting for other people to validate you, to be the main character in everyone's story, then in my opinion you need a bucket load of therapy.

Everyone has their own tit going on.
 
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Depressing.
Nicola Sturgeon needs to take some time and listen to this woman and her experience in women’s prisons. This is not transphobia Nicola, this is REALITY.

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I’m listening to the Brendan O’Neill podcast just now (never listened before), he has Miriam Cates on, the MP who was screamed at in parliament by Lloyd Russell-Moyle. Talking a lot of sense. Impossible to imagine anyone who would be able to disagree with what she’s saying esp around safeguarding for children.
 
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why is owen jones crying and acting like no female artist has ever been criticized for putting out an overly sexualized music video or song?? Look at the tit nicki and cardi B have taken over the years for their music lol. Also I feel like it’s less to do with him being fat/queer and more to do with the fact that the whole video was just bleeping gross. Every single person in that video looked like they hadn’t bathed in a month or two and the liquid spraying over everyone was just rank in general.
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What would we all do without OJ telling us what to think and say and do? What would we do without his misogynistic comments? I just can’t imagine.

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