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See I don't have an issue with this.

The word woman is still there and there is the added "people with a cervix" to cover trans men.

If it solely said people with a cervix I would be annoyed.

It is however ridiculous that trans women can register with a GP as female and would potentially get invites when they are neither women or people with a cervix.

I totally understand that people who have had all the surgeries and a GRC etc truly believe they are the opposite gender, but they cannot change sex and the fact that GRCs mean that medical records are basically falsified is ridiculous.
I apologise in advance and mean no disrespect, but does this mean a female that has transitioned to male?
 
I apologise in advance and mean no disrespect, but does this mean a female that has transitioned to male?
Yes that’s what it means. And don’t apologise for asking questions, that’s how the trans cult get away with things as they tell people not to question anything that seems… well.. questionable :)
 
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Agree with all of this. A lot of people are unwittingly participating in modern slavery on a daily basis - car washes are a typical example of this - there is an app (UK based) called 'Safe Car Wash' which helps identify the signs of slavery. Nail bars are another example - the ones with lots of Vietnamese nail techs who don't have a word of English.
yes, I would also argue a lot of cleaners who work for agencies are too, I know people who have been paying £7/hour (to the agency!) god knows how much, if any, money the cleaners get. I don't get how there hasn't been some kind of crack down on these nail salons and car washes, I know people who use them and whenever I point out "how do you think thye are earning enough when you pay £6 for your nails that take an hour?" it is like they have never considered it. I cannot decide if people are really that ignorant or just don't care
 
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There is a very well thought of Thai restaurant near us and at one point 15 years ago I was professionally involved with them and learned that the women were paid less than £7k a year and they worked basically full time and they were all brought from Thailand and lived in houses provided by the owners. This is a v swanky place. I never went there again and told the people I worked for it was like trafficking but no one said anything. I couldn’t report as it was privileged information I had. Any time someone suggested we go I said it was run by people traffickers, so maybe a rumour went around at least.
 
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I apologise in advance and mean no disrespect, but does this mean a female that has transitioned to male?
Yeh so covers those biological women who don't identify as women.

Most will still have a cervix and need a smear test.

I personally think the wording "women and people with a cervix" is politically correct without erasing women.
 
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yes, I would also argue a lot of cleaners who work for agencies are too, I know people who have been paying £7/hour (to the agency!) god knows how much, if any, money the cleaners get. I don't get how there hasn't been some kind of crack down on these nail salons and car washes, I know people who use them and whenever I point out "how do you think thye are earning enough when you pay £6 for your nails that take an hour?" it is like they have never considered it. I cannot decide if people are really that ignorant or just don't care
Most probably don't care, they are getting a product at a great cost .
Dubai and places like that do it big-scale.
Modern slavery is all around ( like its always been)
Housekeepers/ house assistants/ ' au pair' are another group
 
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Most probably don't care, they are getting a product at a great cost .
Dubai and places like that do it big-scale.
Modern slavery is all around ( like its always been)
Housekeepers/ house assistants/ ' au pair' are another group
True, very depressing at how people just do not care at all isn't it?
This is why I don't get people going to Dubai/the Qatar and now the world cup etc. Wow yes it is amazing they have built so much in a short period of time, I saw a meme recently talkig about how amazing the pyramids' construction was, and the answer was "well, it is obvious, slavery", exactly like in Dubai etc
 
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Yeh so covers those biological women who don't identify as women.

Most will still have a cervix and need a smear test.

I personally think the wording "women and people with a cervix" is politically correct without erasing women.
But all people with a cervix are women.

For medical purposes, gender is irrelevant. Sex is what counts.

Whether you think you’re a woman or not, it’s by the by. If you have a cervix, you’re female.

It’s like a brain clinic saying “We scan everyone with a brain and also people who think they don’t have one.” Pointless extra words.
 
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But all people with a cervix are women.

For medical purposes, gender is irrelevant. Sex is what counts.

Whether you think you’re a woman or not, it’s by the by. If you have a cervix, you’re female.

It’s like a brain clinic saying “We scan everyone with a brain and also people who think they don’t have one.” Pointless extra words.
I agree in principle. I am gender critical. However the NHS isn't going to ignore gender.

I think the phrasing is the best compromise without erasing women.
 
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See I don't have an issue with this.

The word woman is still there and there is the added "people with a cervix" to cover trans men.

If it solely said people with a cervix I would be annoyed.

It is however ridiculous that trans women can register with a GP as female and would potentially get invites when they are neither women or people with a cervix.

I totally understand that people who have had all the surgeries and a GRC etc truly believe they are the opposite gender, but they cannot change sex and the fact that GRCs mean that medical records are basically falsified is ridiculous.
That is NOT what happens. I have a GRC and no medical records are 'falsified'. Your GP is very well aware of your status post op. In my case my last five GPs as it was decades ago. The details of these major events are necessarily flagged up well on your record. They have to be given the need for annual blood tests once you get long enough post surgery and sending in the correct markers so the lab processes this properly.

Self ID might be an entirely different matter - it usually is with the nonsensical stuff it spouts - but has nothing to do with GRCs.

Remember only a little over 5000 people in the 67 million UK population have a GRC. Almost every one you see out there arguing about cervixes and pronouns do not have one. .Self ID cannot get you a GRC in the UK as of today and never has. So the GRA does not apply to these claims. Why I imagine they have started doing silly letters to patients asking for your pronouns to placate such people.

I get one from my GP a few months back asking which gender I wanted to identify as now! Because the NHS were being told to record it I suppose. I told them I did not have a Gender Identity - we shun the word transgender because we do not - the medical term for me is transsexual and differentiating matters. My records for the past 50 years with the NHS are very clear on my status as they have to be for ongoing care. So we talk abut it often in the surgery and nothing has changed from how it has been for decades. .

Transsexuals who have actually transitioned know well the need for correct monitoring. I have had regular breast screenings but am not invited to have a cervix exam. It would be ridiculous and no GP aware you are a post op transsexual would ask.

This validation nonsense is via self ID people with transgender identities seeking validating pronous and tests they dio not need as part of it. So the ones NOT having a GRC . Not the ones with a GRC who have been through the NHS process to get them which currently requires full medical disclosure of what has / has not been done to your body submitted by your GP. For obvious reasons of proper future care.

Self ID hates this 'intolerable and humiliating' questionning. That is people who do NOT change their bodies. As in most who are transgender.

This is one of many reasons why transsexuals ttrongly oppose self ID because WE cannot afford to identify out of biology, Our lives may depend upon doctors understanding our complicated bodies. Transgender pronoun declarers think words are immune to biology. We have lived by the importance of the complex facts about our body for decades and need our GPs to do so as well.

Changing a law written for 5000 people who have significantly atypical bodies to one for hundreds of thousands who think pronouns give you an imaginary cervix is not just wrong it is dangerously wrong and may kill people.
 
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That is NOT what happens. I have a GRC and no medical records are 'falsified'. Your GP is very well aware of your status post op. In my case my last five GPs as it was decades ago. The details of these major events are necessarily flagged up well on your record. They have to be given the need for annual blood tests once you get long enough post surgery and sending in the correct markers so the lab processes this properly.

Self ID might be an entirely different matter - it usually is with the nonsensical stuff it spouts - but has nothing to do with GRCs.

Remember only a little over 5000 people in the 67 million UK population have a GRC. Almost every one you see out there arguing about cervixes and pronouns do not have one. .Self ID cannot get you a GRC in the UK as of today and never has. So the GRA does not apply to these claims. Why I imagine they have started doing silly letters to patients asking for your pronouns to placate such people.

I get one from my GP a few months back asking which gender I wanted to identify as now! Because the NHS were being told to record it I suppose. I told them I did not have a Gender Identity - we shun the word transgender because we do not - the medical term for me is transsexual and differentiating matters. My records for the past 50 years with the NHS are very clear on my status as they have to be for ongoing care. So we talk abut it often in the surgery and nothing has changed from how it has been for decades. .

Transsexuals who have actually transitioned know well the need for correct monitoring. I have had regular breast screenings but am not invited to have a cervix exam. It would be ridiculous and no GP aware you are a post op transsexual would ask.

This validation nonsense is via self ID people with transgender identities seeking validating pronous and tests they dio not need as part of it. So the ones NOT having a GRC . Not the ones with a GRC who have been through the NHS process to get them which currently requires full medical disclosure of what has / has not been done to your body submitted by your GP. For obvious reasons of proper future care.

Self ID hates this 'intolerable and humiliating' questionning. That is people who do NOT change their bodies. As in most who are transgender.

This is one of many reasons why transsexuals ttrongly oppose self ID because WE cannot afford to identify out of biology, Our lives may depend upon doctors understanding our complicated bodies. Transgender pronoun declarers think words are immune to biology. We have lived by the importance of the complex facts about our body for decades and need our GPs to do so as well.

Changing a law written for 5000 people who have significantly atypical bodies to one for hundreds of thousands who think pronouns give you an imaginary cervix is not just wrong it is dangerously wrong and may kill people.
Isn't it illegal under the GRA to ask to see a GRC, or even ask if someone has one?
 
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That is NOT what happens. I have a GRC and no medical records are 'falsified'. Your GP is very well aware of your status post op. In my case my last five GPs as it was decades ago. The details of these major events are necessarily flagged up well on your record. They have to be given the need for annual blood tests once you get long enough post surgery and sending in the correct markers so the lab processes this properly.

Self ID might be an entirely different matter - it usually is with the nonsensical stuff it spouts - but has nothing to do with GRCs.

Remember only a little over 5000 people in the 67 million UK population have a GRC. Almost every one you see out there arguing about cervixes and pronouns do not have one. .Self ID cannot get you a GRC in the UK as of today and never has. So the GRA does not apply to these claims. Why I imagine they have started doing silly letters to patients asking for your pronouns to placate such people.

I get one from my GP a few months back asking which gender I wanted to identify as now! Because the NHS were being told to record it I suppose. I told them I did not have a Gender Identity - we shun the word transgender because we do not - the medical term for me is transsexual and differentiating matters. My records for the past 50 years with the NHS are very clear on my status as they have to be for ongoing care. So we talk abut it often in the surgery and nothing has changed from how it has been for decades. .

Transsexuals who have actually transitioned know well the need for correct monitoring. I have had regular breast screenings but am not invited to have a cervix exam. It would be ridiculous and no GP aware you are a post op transsexual would ask.

This validation nonsense is via self ID people with transgender identities seeking validating pronous and tests they dio not need as part of it. So the ones NOT having a GRC . Not the ones with a GRC who have been through the NHS process to get them which currently requires full medical disclosure of what has / has not been done to your body submitted by your GP. For obvious reasons of proper future care.

Self ID hates this 'intolerable and humiliating' questionning. That is people who do NOT change their bodies. As in most who are transgender.

This is one of many reasons why transsexuals ttrongly oppose self ID because WE cannot afford to identify out of biology, Our lives may depend upon doctors understanding our complicated bodies. Transgender pronoun declarers think words are immune to biology. We have lived by the importance of the complex facts about our body for decades and need our GPs to do so as well.

Changing a law written for 5000 people who have significantly atypical bodies to one for hundreds of thousands who think pronouns give you an imaginary cervix is not just wrong it is dangerously wrong and may kill people.
Welcome, we’re all really happy to hear your opinion on this as a genuine GRC holder! None of us are anti trans btw, we’re just anti the erasure of womens’ rights so don’t feel hurt if you see any comments like trans women aren’t women, we don’t mean to erase your experience which is really valid (sorry if that sounds patronising) :) 🤗

We’re mainly criticising attention seeking and misogynistic TIMs, not ones like you with their head screwed on and who doesn’t sound at all like an AGP
 
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